I heard about this new Google web browser coming out today. Anyone try it yet?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/01/google.browser.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/01/google.browser.ap/index.html)
http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html (http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html)
Quick overview and some screenshots. The comic book link on their site is down due to bandwidth issues now that everyone is trying to access it.
I'm using it. It's pretty slick so far.
Its quite fast.
http://gizmodo.com/5044492/google-chrome-hands-on-and-first-impressions-with-screenshots
i've been using it for a while; no issues so far, and it's speedy. i'm liking what i'm seeing so far.
as a matter of fact, i am using it right now and i like.
dont know why, but on my laptop, i cant scroll with both buttons held down, and i can scroll with the middle button on my mouse when held down either.
Its the bizness. Wicked fast, and so far, pretty stable. They've addressed a couple things I hate about FF - no memory bloat, and windows/tabs that crater don't take the whole browser with it.
I don't think it is perfect yet -I saw it had problems rendering some colors on some pages- but it is a pretty good start.
One issue I have, is I usually hide my task bar for windows and when I mouse over the area, it pops up. Can't figure out how to do that with chrome...
Quote from: il d00d on September 02, 2008, 06:57:35 PM
I don't think it is perfect yet -I saw it had problems rendering some colors on some pages- but it is a pretty good start.
rendering shouldn't be an issue, it uses the same engine as safari.
I'm digging it so far. First problem I've encountered has been on this forum though...
Type a multi line message (such as this one), click "Preview" and the preview pane displays only one line at a time and the scroll up/down buttons have no scrollbar in-between.
(http://www.barneephife.com/pics/duc/chrome1.jpg)
Quote from: BarneePhife on September 02, 2008, 09:12:15 PM
I'm digging it so far. First problem I've encountered has been on this forum though...
Type a multi line message (such as this one), click "Preview" and the preview pane displays only one line at a time and the scroll up/down buttons have no scrollbar in-between.
remember what i said about the rendering engine? safari does the same thing. ;D
hey, at least it's consistent.
looks like this is a known issue with smf: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=204606.0
you should report this in tech issues forum: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=17.0
Quote from: He Man on September 02, 2008, 06:18:41 PM
dont know why, but on my laptop, i cant scroll with both buttons held down, and i can scroll with the middle button on my mouse when held down either.
I can scroll fine using the arrow keys but the scroll bar on my touchpad will only scroll down. So when I reach the bottom of a page, I have to use the arrow keys to scroll back up. Definitely a pain in the ass, but I'm sure it will be fixed soon.
Other than that, I really like the browser. And Gmail is fast as shit.
I'm in the process of switching all my files over to Google Documents, which is also very cool and works very well with Chrome.
Oh, another gripe I have: Google toolbar isn't compatible with Chrome. [laugh]
Holy cow, man. Check out the history & feature - wired write up: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-10/mf_chrome
Trick 1: you've got a few tabs open. Put your mouse over a tab, and drag it down.... and tab 'breaks' away to form it's own window. Each TAB runs independently... so if one crashes, all others are fine!
Trick 2:Create Application Shortcuts. The goal? Your browser IS the operating system!
"The clearest expression of this comes when you drag a tab containing a Web application like Gmail to its own separate window and specify that you want an "app shortcut." At that point, the tabs, buttons, and address bars fall away and the Web app looks pretty much like a desktop app. Welcome to the cloud era."
11 tyb [thumbsup]
Finally, the tab bar is ABOVE the address bar. Makes more sense.
Chrome is really slick. I hope they make all the "add-ons" that FF has....
Quote from: derby on September 02, 2008, 07:31:53 PM
rendering shouldn't be an issue, it uses the same engine as safari.
Here's an example (http://rodryan.thebuzz.com/pages/linksandguests.html) - Safari does the same thing on this page. But really, I would take these bugs over FF's any ol' day of the week.
Quote from: il d00d on September 03, 2008, 08:26:38 AM
Here's an example (http://rodryan.thebuzz.com/pages/linksandguests.html) - Safari does the same thing on this page. But really, I would take these bugs over FF's any ol' day of the week.
you must've overlooked my very next post:
Quote from: derby on September 02, 2008, 09:23:48 PM
remember what i said about the rendering engine? safari does the same thing. ;D
hey, at least it's consistent.
looks like this is a known issue with smf: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=204606.0
you should report this in tech issues forum: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=17.0
Anybody else think there was going to be a Harley Davidson joke come up if you Googled the word "Chrome?"
JM
I'd like to try it, but I'm on a mac >:(
Quote from: Le Pirate on September 03, 2008, 03:11:52 PM
I'd like to try it, but I'm on a mac >:(
bwahaha... er, sorry.
[beer]
Quote from: eyeboy on September 03, 2008, 04:36:24 PM
bwahaha... er, sorry.
[beer]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
seriously though folks...
i am the first to admit that i am not a
computer geek software engineer. that said, i find "Chrome" a little lacking. either i was expecting more from google, or the goodness in it is way over my head ???
Hey Herm,
Here is a link to a list of the cool features (and which browsers "inspired" them).
http://gizmodo.com/5044958/dr-frankensteins-browser-the-strangely-obvious-ancestry-of-google-chrome
Quote from: herm on September 03, 2008, 05:32:34 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
seriously though folks...
i am the first to admit that i am not a computer geek software engineer. that said, i find "Chrome" a little lacking. either i was expecting more from google, or the goodness in it is way over my head ???
don't think of it as a replacement for firefox or internet explorer. think of it as a platform for running very specialized web-hosted applications.
Anyone know how to allow pop ups from websites? I was trying to get my new PM to open in a new window and it won't let me....
Quote from: NAKID on September 03, 2008, 09:02:40 PM
Anyone know how to allow pop ups from websites? I was trying to get my new PM to open in a new window and it won't let me....
Hrmm. I thought a title bar shows up at the bottom which you can just grab to open the popup. I saw this once... *shrug*
Quote from: NAKID on September 03, 2008, 09:02:40 PM
Anyone know how to allow pop ups from websites? I was trying to get my new PM to open in a new window and it won't let me....
In the options menu there is a box that needs to be checked. Says something like " Do you want to be notified when a pop up is blocked"
After you check this box, then a toolbar will pop up when one is blocked. It will allow you to open the wndow.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/photos/365490047_cBt9G-M.jpg)
I have that box clicked. I get a pm notification and asks me if I'd like to open it in another window. I click yes and the window closes...
Quote from: derby on September 03, 2008, 06:03:15 PM
don't think of it as a replacement for firefox or internet explorer. think of it as a platform for running very specialized web-hosted applications.
OK.
I'm pretty happy with Firefox anyway. Been using some kind of Mozilla since Netscape 3.0, Old Habits die Hard.
Quote from: herm on September 03, 2008, 05:33:24 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
seriously though folks...
i am the first to admit that i am not a computer geek software engineer. that said, i find "Chrome" a little lacking. either i was expecting more from google, or the goodness in it is way over my head ???
I think the keyword on their site is
(BETA) as in not production ready and therefore lacking some features.
Quote from: derby on September 03, 2008, 06:03:15 PM
don't think of it as a replacement for firefox or internet explorer. think of it as a platform for running very specialized web-hosted applications.
'k, so the goodness is over my head.
i can live with that (or without i suppose)
[thumbsup]
I am guessing none of you have actually read the Chrome EULA or seen any of the myriad of write ups about how make the beast with two backsed up this browser really is in terms of what they can harvest from your browsing?
Hehe. Sheeple.
Funny thing is, the Chinese government PAID Google to do what they are doing to all of you unaware folk...
Article courtesy of Sean Kalinich of PlanetX64.com
This is a question that many people are asking right now. After months of denial Google finally released its Chrome browser. Many thought this was one of the best things since the invention of Linux. There were multiple articles praising the browser for the wonder that it is. Then, after a very short honeymoon some very disturbing information started to surface. It seems that the folks over at Google put a nice caveat in their EULA (something that most people do not read). The following text is enough to raise the hairs on the back of your neck.
"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."
With this small bit of information I (and many others) began to wonder where Google would get this information from. I began to speculate that they must be caching pages somewhere that could be retrieved later. This is almost like what they have been doing in China but now they are doing it to everyone and putting it in writing that they are doing it.
Less than 24 hours after this little part of the EULA was unearthed Google made an announcement that was posted on Ars Technica.
"Google's Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, "in order to keep things simple for our users." Ward admits that sometimes "this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product" and says that Google is "working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome."
This begs the question “how can you apply one ToS to a completely different product and not catch these things?â€
Yes Chrome is still new but I do not think for a minute that this was an accident. I will be looking very closely at the language Google uses in the new ToS.
But that is not all, later that same day it was uncovered that Chrome indexes all pages viewed, including HTTPS/SSL pages. This means that once you are in your browser and you visit, say your bank, Chrome is going to index all of that information: charges credits, account numbers etc. This information can be called up later through a simple search in the Chrome browser or by parsing the index files stored on the local machine.
Now the argument can be made that you can turn this off or open an incognito browsing session where pages are not indexed or to clear personal data but how many novice users know how to do that?
How many are going to get sucked in and install this because they use Google everyday and upon seeing a new Google browser will go ahead and install it? The answer is simple; millions, just as many as get caught by spammers, phishsers and viruses every year. Next up on the list of things wrong is the finding made by CNET about Google tracking browsing habits.
"Provided that users leave Chrome's auto-suggest feature on and have Google as their default search provider, Google will have access to any keystrokes that are typed into the browser's Omnibox, even before a user hits enter.
What's more, Google has every intention of retaining some of that data even after it provides the promised suggestions. A Google representative told CNET News that the company plans to store about 2 percent of that data--and plans to store it along with the Internet Protocol address of the computer that typed it."
This to me has reached the level of unacceptability. Google is showing themselves to be a very unsavory company. They have been leading up to this for sometime, they have tracked search habits of Google Desktop users, have tracked Google Toolbar, and instituted tracking of browsing habits by IP in China (just to get the business there) Google has been involved in people actually being arrested for the websites or searches they visited (Google provided IP information to the Chinese Government), now we see they are bringing this to the rest of the world.
Personally I am not going to be installing this browser ever and I know these glaring issues have prompted more than one enterprise to ban its installation on corporate systems one has even made it grounds for dismissal.
I think Google has a rather large amount of explaining to do and without some major changes their shiny new Chrome browser may tarnish and pit in the coming months.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html
Well, the last 2 posts were enough for me to uninstall Chrome and explain in my unistallation why I did it.
Quote from: NAKID on September 04, 2008, 05:14:39 PM
Well, the last 2 posts were enough for me to uninstall Chrome and explain in my unistallation why I did it.
what? you don't like that they're changing their blanket, use-for-everything EULA in response to customer concerns?
Uhhhh, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..
;D
Quote from: NAKID on September 04, 2008, 05:14:39 PM
Well, the last 2 posts were enough for me to uninstall Chrome and explain in my unistallation why I did it.
What? You think Google doesn't already know everything about you? Puh-leaze.
Hahahahahaha
I do online banking for everything since my bank is in AZ and I'm in CT. I don't need them knowing what I do with my money let alone my log in info....
Quote from: NAKID on September 04, 2008, 05:39:56 PM
Hahahahahaha
I do online banking for everything since my bank is in AZ and I'm in CT. I don't need them knowing what I do with my money let alone my log in info....
that's why your login and session info are encrypted.
But if they can track keystrokes, what does it matter?
Quote from: NAKID on September 04, 2008, 06:03:26 PM
But if they can track keystrokes, what does it matter?
do you type your login information into the address bar/omnibar? of course you don't.
fwiw, that article above also says this:
That said, individuals have a clear way to use Chrome and avoid having this occur. Turning off the auto-suggest feature means that Google will neither get nor store this information. One can also select a search provider other than Google as their default to avoid having their search queries stored by Google. (Update 11:45 a.m. PDT: Switching to Chrome's Incognito mode also switches off the auto-suggest features, the Google representative said.) so, you can just simply turn it off. easy.
I don't do go online to do any kind of banking whatsoever.
And the credit card I use for transactions can only be charged a few hundred dollars. And I change it every 6 months or so.
Google makes its money from selective advertising. The money is HUGE. i can't see anyone from google making illicit cash transfers of any sort - that would definitely be killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
This reminds me of the days when people were afraid of cookies. Wait, maybe some of you STILL are afraid of cookies? You don't think every site, post, you make here does not get logged by your ISP to do as they wish in accordance with the law (BB to ISP "if they type in Bomb or Lolita, let us know ok?") ? You don't think Google stores your IP and sees what search terms you are typing in?
How about your Credit card company? Do you think they know what you buy and when you buy it?
Ohh wait, you all carry wads of cash?
Plluuuuueeezzzzzz people.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-to-google-chromes-terms-of.html
So for Google Chrome, only the first sentence of Section 11 should have applied. We're sorry we overlooked this, but we've fixed it now, and you can read the updated Google Chrome terms of service. If you're into the fine print, here's the revised text of Section 11:
11. Content license from you
11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.
And that's all. Period. End of section.
ZLTFUL - Good article.
I share your concerns and mine are not limited to commercial enterprises like Google, MS, etc.
Technologies exist to monitor/archive ALL communication signals (phones, computers, etc) with very little effort and no legal oversight.
Quote from: NAKID on September 04, 2008, 05:39:56 PM
I do online banking for everything since my bank is in AZ and I'm in CT. I don't need them knowing what I do with my money let alone my log in info....
If you buy stuff online, they already know what you do with your money.
My company collects TONS of data from people when they visit our site. You put so much info out there that you don't realize. The keystrokes thing, that's just to see HOW you type, what speed, what errors you makes, etc - they already know where you're going.
Oh, and btw, if any of you are concerned about digital privacy, the first thing you need to do is delete any MySpace or Facebook accounts. Those sites are so chock-full of personal info and incredibly easy to scrape.
I wasn't looking to panic anyone. My soul purpose was to open a few eyes. ALOT of people simply click through when installing software. Myself...well I read it all and I still click OK anyway. I guess maybe I am a black sheeple...
Quote from: ZLTFUL on September 05, 2008, 09:20:48 AM
I wasn't looking to panic anyone. My soul purpose was to open a few eyes. ALOT of people simply click through when installing software. Myself...well I read it all and I still click OK anyway. I guess maybe I am a black sheeple...
it's been proven time and time again that click-through EULAs aren't enforceable. i don't even bother reading 'em.
So I have been playing around with chrome for a while now...outside of the google search mixed into the address window, it doesnt really do a thing for me. I dont find it much faster (if at all). It claims to be less likely to crash but just type :% into the address window and not only does that entire chrome process die, so do all others.
What does this give you that Firefox or even the hated IE doesnt? Seems to be just another "me too" app.
Plus, I miss having the wiki and ebay search boxes in Firefox.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on September 05, 2008, 12:32:34 PM
So I have been playing around with chrome for a while now...outside of the google search mixed into the address window, it doesnt really do a thing for me. I dont find it much faster (if at all). It claims to be less likely to crash but just type :% into the address window and not only does that entire chrome process die, so do all others.
What does this give you that Firefox or even the hated IE doesnt? Seems to be just another "me too" app.
Plus, I miss having the wiki and ebay search boxes in Firefox.
a faster javascript engine, for one.
like i said before, i see the browser targeted more as a platform for running specialized, web-based applications (like those built on google's appengine (http://appengine.google.com)), than an all out replacement for firefox or ie.
Quote from: derby on September 05, 2008, 12:57:55 PM
a faster javascript engine, for one.
like i said before, i see the browser targeted more as a platform for running specialized, web-based applications (like those built on google's appengine (http://appengine.google.com)), than an all out replacement for firefox or ie.
Yea. Google Docs and Gmail run great in Chrome. And with App shortcuts, you can run them as if they were seperate applications.
Also, people are still forgetting that this is a beta release, so there are no add-ons yet and plenty of bugs. For now, I am still using Firefox, especially since Chrome still won't scroll up. :-\