Title: WSBK Donnington--rule query (spoiler) Post by: Spidey on September 09, 2008, 09:41:28 PM I finally got to watch Race 1 (come on, Haga, get off the f'n track when your engine blows >:(). Does someone have a link or can they explain the "aggregate" rule? I can't remember ever seeing that before.
Title: Re: WSBK Donnington--rule query (spoiler) Post by: hypurone on September 10, 2008, 06:26:58 AM Basically, when the race is stopped for a hazardous condition and allowed to restart, whatever position you were in is retained and the time differential between your position and the others is noted. You finish running the race and your position and time diff between all other positions is noted again and subtracted/added (depending on if you lost/gained time/position) to the original time diff.
So for example, you are leading by 4 seconds when the race is stopped/restarted. You restart but now are in second place to the guy who was second in the first leg. He beats you by 3 seconds, but since you had an aggregate of 4 seconds in hand, you still win the race. Capish? Title: Re: WSBK Donnington--rule query (spoiler) Post by: Spidey on September 10, 2008, 06:58:52 AM I get that. I'm just trying to figure out when they do an aggregate race and when they just restart. Is it limited to red flags for hazardous condition?
Title: Re: WSBK Donnington--rule query (spoiler) Post by: gm2 on September 10, 2008, 08:32:26 AM if the race is declared Dry, all the riders will go out on slicks regardless of whether it's a little damp or not. if the riders then decide it's too damp for slicks they'll stop the race, come back in, call it Wet, and it becomes an aggregate race.
if it's a Wet race, the race goes full distance and the riders decide what tires to run. Title: Re: WSBK Donnington--rule query (spoiler) Post by: Spidey on September 10, 2008, 09:25:48 AM Ok, so if they'd declared Race 1 a wet race and then Haga oiled down the track and they red flagged it, the race wouldn't be aggregate? It would either be a complete restart (with original grid positions) or the race would just be over, depending on how many laps they'd done?
Title: Re: WSBK Donnington--rule query (spoiler) Post by: hypurone on September 10, 2008, 09:34:55 AM Hmmm, I didn't think it had anything to do with wet or dry. It was whether the race was stopped due to a hazardous condition as to whether it would invoke "aggregate time". [popcorn]
Found this in the rulebook, note the highlighted text: 1.26.1 Race interruptions If the Race Director decides to interrupt the race for changes in the weather or any other reason, red flags will be shown at the finishing line and at all flag marshal posts, and the Race Director will also switch on the red lights aroound the track. When they see this, riders must immediately slow down and return either to the pits or to the starting grid as instructed by the Race Direction. The placings for this part of the race will be those held at the end of the lap prior to the one in which the race leader and all non-lapped riders completed a full lap before the red flags were displayed. The following example clarifies this rule. Example of a 30 lap race race If the red flag is raised when the race leader has completed nine laps and is on his tenth lap, but not all of the other non-lapped riders have completed their ninth laps, the placings will be those held at the end of the eighth lap and the restarted race will have to complete 22 laps. If the red flag is raised when the race leader and all non-lapped riders have completed nine laps and are on their tenth lap, the placings will be those held at the end of the ninth lap and the restarted race will have to complete 21 laps. Exception: if the race is interrupted after the chequered flag has been waved, the following procedure is applied: 1) All riders who have passed the chequered flag before the race is interrupted maintain their placings in the last lap of the race. 2) Riders who have not passed the chequered flag when the race is suspended are assigned the positions they held at the end of the penultimate lap of the race. 3) Final placings are calculated by combining the placings of both halves of the race, on the basis of laps completed and race times. If the race leader and non-lapped riders have not yet completed three whole laps, the race is declared invalid and is restarted from the beginning. If it proves impossible to restart the race, the event is cancelled and will not count towards the world championship (article 1.26.2). If riders have completed at least three laps but less than two thirds of the total distance, the race is restarted whenever possible. If it proves impossible to restart the race, only half of the points available from that race are assigned (article 1.26.3). If all non-lapped riders have completed at least two thirds of the total distance, full points are awarded as if the race had been completed (article 1.26.4). 1.27 Restarting an interrupted race If a race is to be restarted, as soon as the riders return to the pits or to the starting grid, the Race Director annnounces what delay there will be before the race start procedure can be repeated. This delay must be no more than 10 minutes from the appearance of the red flags if the riders return to the starting grid, and no more than 20 minutes if they return to the pits, conditions permitting. The placings assigned at the end of the first part of the interrupted race must be communicated to the teams before the second part of the race begins. If riders have returned to the pits, the re-start procedure will be identical to a normal start procedure, complete with a sighting lap, etc.. If the riders are already in place on the starting grid, the re-start procedure begins from the point when the board notifying riders of 5 minutes to go to the start of the sighting lap is displayed. Conditions necessary for a restart: Riders in the pit lane A) If fewer than three laps were completed before the race was interrupted, all riders may re-start, and bikes may be repaired, changed or even refuelled. The race re-starts with the original starting grid order and runs for its full number of laps. B) If more than three laps have been completed, only those riders who were classified in the first part of the race may re-start. The number of laps in the second part of the race will be that required to complete the total distance. Bikes may be repaired, changed or refuelled. The order on the starting grid will be determined according to the placings of the first part of the race. Final race placings will be calculated on the basis of total race times from both parts of the race. Riders on the grid A) If fewer than three laps were completed before the race was interrupted, all riders may re-start, and bikes may be repaired or changed but not refuelled. The number of laps in the second part of the race will be the total number of laps minus two or three, as announced by the Race Direction. The original starting grid order is maintained. B) If more than three laps have been completed, only those riders who were classified in the first part of the race may re-start. Bikes may be repaired, changed but not refuelled. The number of laps in the second part of the race will be that requred to complete the total distance, minus two or three, as announced by the Race Direction. The order on the starting grid will be determined according to the placings of the first part of the race. Final race placings will be calculated from the total race times from both parts of the race. Title: Re: WSBK Donnington--rule query (spoiler) Post by: gm2 on September 10, 2008, 09:35:55 AM right. if it starts as Dry and then it starts to rain & they come in, it's aggregate. if it starts Wet, it's business as usual.
re haga, yeah, restart or it's over, depending on when it happens. |