So what is it with high end sports cars being made into 4-door wagons??? The idea just totally blows my mind! Lamborghini and Porsche and Aston Martin are about to release thier first mutant 4-door cars:
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/2559000-2559999/2559239_1175_full.jpg)
(http://www.sellmyride.ca/blog/uploads/images/Porsche_panamera.jpg)
(http://paultan.org/gallery/d/5536-2/am_rapide_hi_12.jpg)
???
personally, i love the idea of a station wagon that can perform like that.
even a sedan is pretty cool.
people want to haul their families, and their stuff places in an expedicious manner. nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: KnightofNi on October 21, 2008, 10:23:31 AM
personally, i love the idea of a station wagon that can perform like that.
even a sedan is pretty cool.
people want to haul their families, and their stuff places in an expedicious manner. nothing wrong with that.
Going 200mph in a 4 door sedan just doesn't seem right though.....
The Porsche Panamera is a sedan not a wagon. They are trying to tap into that market and take some of it from Mercedes, BMW and the like. Im not complaining because it will open up a huge new market for us just like the controversial Cayenne did 5 years ago. Porsche sells as many Cayennes as it does sports cars and as much of a pain in the ass as they are to work on, I am not complaining. I am a purest and understand the arguement but the bottom line is this is just another way to line my wallet with green. Most of these cars, like the Cayennes are right now, will be used as daily drivers instead of garage queens like a majority of the 911, Boxster/Cayman lines which opens up a huge service market for us.
Quote from: porschaholic on October 21, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
... Porsche sells as many Cayennes as it does sports cars...
I didn't know that!
The only real high end wagon is an rs6. The rest are competing for the HUGE sales of Merc CLS (which they continue to call a coupe with 4 doors...marketing bs). The Merc is basically a sleek E class and all the better for it...gorgeous. Why can't sedans be sexy and fast?
So sleek expensive four doors? Hell yeah. Aston's Rapide is just as beautifull as their coupes. The Lambo, while everyone says Dodge from the rear 3/4, is beautifull in a Lambo way too. And if you don't look at it from ground level you see how low the thing is and then looks nothing like a challenger.
I like 'em. Although I'd rather drive a Ferrari 612 than any of the flashier models.
Quote from: Statler on October 21, 2008, 10:52:31 AM
The only real high end wagon is an rs6. The rest are competing for the HUGE sales of Merc CLS (which they continue to call a coupe with 4 doors...marketing bs). The Merc is basically a sleek E class and all the better for it...gorgeous. Why can't sedans be sexy and fast?
So sleek expensive four doors? Hell yeah. Aston's Rapide is just as beautifull as their coupes. The Lambo, while everyone says Dodge from the rear 3/4, is beautifull in a Lambo way too. And if you don't look at it from ground level you see how low the thing is and then looks nothing like a challenger.
I like 'em. Although I'd rather drive a Ferrari 612 than any of the flashier models.
mercedes has the amg wagon also - 500HP 6.3L V8
mitt
Quote from: Monster Dave on October 21, 2008, 10:26:33 AM
Going 200mph in a 4 door sedan just doesn't seem right though.....
and you see, nobody expects the drag wagon. that's what i love about it.
Quote from: mitt on October 21, 2008, 10:58:07 AM
mercedes has the amg wagon also - 500HP 6.3L V8
mitt
that's what i'm talking about! just take off the amg badges and i could accept that as a daily driver/grocery getter.
I've always been a fan of high-performance sedans & wagons. Especially the sleeper-looking ones ~
JM
right, and BMW has the M5 wagon in Europe too.
Mmmm... The M5 has been one of my favorite performance sedans too!
JM
I'd love to own any of the beasts shown/mentioned thus far. Wish I could afford any of them for that matter......
Quote from: KnightofNi on October 21, 2008, 11:02:40 AM
and you see, nobody expects the drag wagon. that's what i love about it.
[laugh]
I can see it now; smoke billowing, tires screaching, and a baby in the back baby seat with a little steering wheel haul'n tail!!!
[cheeky]
a useful car that can haul ass..
I see nothing wrong with this..
580hp V10 TFSI..
(http://www.bligblog.com/media/09-06-07/08rs6avant_hir004low.jpg)
:o
Quote from: acalles on October 21, 2008, 11:21:14 AM
a useful car that can haul ass..
Suddenly the trip to the grocery store looks like this:
(http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/events/0404pon_04s+Pontiac_GTO_Wagon+Right_Side_View_Burnout.jpg)
That Aston
is sweet.
Quote from: Statler on October 21, 2008, 10:52:31 AM
The Lambo, while everyone says Dodge from the rear 3/4, is beautifull in a Lambo way too. And if you don't look at it from ground level you see how low the thing is and then looks nothing like a challenger.
So it has a Dodge ass in addition to the Firebird nose?
Quote from: DCXCV on October 21, 2008, 11:34:28 AM
That Aston is sweet.
So it has a Dodge ass in addition to the Firebird nose?
The great comparison:
Front:
(http://www.filesavr.com/second/ce377298727f11d5ae63ddc922fff0a4.jpg)
(http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/kitt.jpg)
Back:
(http://www.filesavr.com/second/5c31526391e631688f63e7a40445307c.jpg)
(http://www.flatratracing.com/site_pics/ourcars/general1.jpg)
I hope that Panamera gets better gas milage than my 928 did.
Quote from: DCXCV on October 21, 2008, 11:34:28 AM
That Aston is sweet.
So it has a Dodge ass in addition to the Firebird nose?
Agreed. Look at the flairs in the rear quarter panel and tell me it doesn't look just like the new Challenger, or even the Charger. Hell, throw in an SRT8 motor and add a couple of inches to the top in the rear and it's a Magnum. Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't drive a Lamborghini.....
Quote from: the_Journeyman on October 21, 2008, 11:05:27 AM
I've always been a fan of high-performance sedans & wagons. Especially the sleeper-looking ones ~
JM
i have always loved sleepers. one of my "schemes" involves taking a car similar to my old LTD (1979 baby blue with dark blue vynil on top) and turning it into a beast that sounds the same and looks just like it did coming off the showroom floor.
Quote from: Monster Dave on October 21, 2008, 11:19:34 AM
[laugh]
I can see it now; smoke billowing, tires screaching, and a baby in the back baby seat with a little steering wheel haul'n tail!!!
[cheeky]
now now, let's not get carried away. the kid would have a roll cage and a helmet ;D
Quote from: acalles on October 21, 2008, 11:21:14 AM
a useful car that can haul ass..
I see nothing wrong with this..
580hp V10 TFSI..
:o
i love the look of the audi wagon. i liked them even more as i was getting passed by them as if i was standing still while doing 100mph.
(http://www.sellmyride.ca/blog/uploads/images/Porsche_panamera.jpg)
Oh, hell yes [evil] [evil]
Make it with a 6-speed manual trans (featuring a clutch pedal, not one of those manu-matic setups) and I'm in. [thumbsup]
+1
THat thing's awesome [thumbsup]
I saw a prototype of the Porsche a few weeks ago in Regensburg Germany. kinda cool looking, but i prefer the rs6
Slightly off topic, but I think that Panamera rendering is a little off. Takes a little too much from the CGT.
Teaser from Porsche looks more like a 911/Cayenne in the front....
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/phpThumb_generated_thumbnailjpg.jpg)
Definitely dope though.
Quote from: stateprez on October 22, 2008, 10:47:09 AM
Slightly off topic, but I think that Panamera rendering is a little off. Takes a little too much from the CGT.
Teaser from Porsche looks more like a 911/Cayenne in the front....
Here is an actual shot from one seen in SanFransico recently:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/10/Four-Door-Porsche-Panamera.jpg)
Quote from: Monster Dave on October 22, 2008, 10:59:01 AM
Here is an actual shot from one seen in SanFransico recently:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/10/Four-Door-Porsche-Panamera.jpg)
Ewwww. Roofline definitely not as cool as the one above. :P
Quote from: Speedbag on October 22, 2008, 11:00:46 AM
Ewwww. Roofline definitely not as cool as the one above. :P
I agree.
(http://www.sellmyride.ca/blog/uploads/images/Porsche_panamera.jpg)
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/10/Four-Door-Porsche-Panamera.jpg)
Tough to tell with the black paint job, but it looks like that rear door is shaped differently. Is the door larger than that of the silver prototype? Wheelbase stretched a little?
??? :-\
The silver car is an artist's rendering based on camo spy shots. The darker car is the actual tester with camo.
aka the silver car is not what it's going to look like.
edit: here is a gallery of the Pan and Rapide test cars on the Nurburgring together....http://www.leftlanenews.com/beauty-and-the-beast-astons-rapide-and-porsches-panamera-battle-on-the-ring.html (http://www.leftlanenews.com/beauty-and-the-beast-astons-rapide-and-porsches-panamera-battle-on-the-ring.html)
Anyone seen the Maserati 4 door. That thing is a sleek work of art!
Well, if that's the final design of the Porshe, I'll pass. It's.....just.......bleh....
Quote from: Monster Dave on October 21, 2008, 10:26:33 AM
Going 200mph in a 4 door sedan just doesn't seem right though.....
EXACTLY [evil]
well, wagons are the shit. sedans, not so much... E55 AMG estate, please. :)
Quote from: rgramjet on October 22, 2008, 07:05:59 PM
Anyone seen the Maserati 4 door. That thing is a sleek work of art!
had one whip past me on the fwy after work one day... insane! me likey quattroporte
Awesome 4-door "sickness". Totally sick.... [evil]
Maserati Quattroporte
(http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2008/01/26-maserati-quattroporte-collezione-cento/Maserati-Quattroporte-Collezione-Cento-2-lg.jpg)
Mercedes CLS AMG
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/2006-Mercedes-Benz-CLS-55-AMG-IWC-Ingenieur-S-1280x960.jpg)
BMW M5 (in Sepang Bronze Metallic, sweet)
(http://www.m5board.com/photopost/data/537/44M5_Australia_3.jpg)
BMW M3 4 Door
(http://reviews.carreview.com/files/2007/10/bmw_m3_saloon4.jpg)
Audi RS4 Avant (the RS6 has already been posted, I love the avant)
(http://pictuderbyer.audiworld.com/92910/cimg0171.jpg)
I think they're all SICK! [evil] ;D
I drool every time I see a CLS on the road. They're purty, especially in black.
Quote from: Speedbag on October 23, 2008, 05:38:19 AM
I drool every time I see a CLS on the road. They're purty, especially in black.
You mean like this. [evil] [thumbsup]
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn43/Desmodiva/DMF/KensCLS.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn43/Desmodiva/DMF/KensCLS1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn43/Desmodiva/DMF/KensCLS2.jpg)
Owned by Ken Block, rally driver and brand president of DC shoes.
That's purdy!!!
JM
Mmmmmmm Rattle Can Black CLS!!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: BWClark on October 23, 2008, 01:33:53 AM
Awesome 4-door "sickness". Totally sick.... [evil]
Maserati Quattroporte
Mercedes CLS AMG
BMW M5 (in Sepang Bronze Metallic, sweet)
BMW M3 4 Door
Audi RS4 Avant (the RS6 has already been posted, I love the avant)
I think they're all SICK! [evil] ;D
holy crap. those are some dam sexy cars.
is it wrong that i got a little wood from the maserati and the M5?
A REAL Firebird (Trans Am) front end:
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/optiato/Trans%20Am/100_0900.jpg)
I love my car! :D
This was always one of my favorites:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/89_Lagonda.JPG/800px-89_Lagonda.JPG)
I LOVE the Lagondas!!! Glad to know I'm not the only one!
JM
I was totally in the market for one of these, but if that's what they're going to look like, I'll pass.... [roll] ;D ;D
Can't believe nobody mentioned the reason for four doors is to expedite the picking up of chicks.
"Gotta hot date tonight..."
"Oh yeah, who with?"
"I don't know 'til I get to the club and see who's hot!"
Quote from: Dietrich on October 23, 2008, 09:13:25 AM
I was totally in the market for one of these, but if that's what they're going to look like, I'll pass.... [roll] ;D ;D
Can't believe nobody mentioned the reason for four doors is to expedite the picking up of chicks.
"Gotta hot date tonight..."
"Oh yeah, who with?"
"I don't know 'til I get to the club and see who's hot!"
Im sure they will change the lines before the car goes to production. I've seen the Panamera in person but it was heavily disguised.
Quote from: DesmoDiva on October 23, 2008, 06:29:25 AM
You mean like this. [evil] [thumbsup]
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn43/Desmodiva/DMF/KensCLS.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn43/Desmodiva/DMF/KensCLS1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn43/Desmodiva/DMF/KensCLS2.jpg)
Owned by Ken Block, rally driver and brand president of DC shoes.
Rawr. [thumbsup]
I had a rattlecan flat black '68 Pontiac Catalina 2-door hardtop once (college beater). Not quite the same thing, I know....
^ That CLS is absolute filth! Especially the second pic...front 3/4, the hood louvres with the valve cover/s showing through.
I only have to question the street glow in the first pic?
Quote from: stateprez on October 23, 2008, 03:27:15 PM
^ That CLS is absolute filth! Especially the second pic...front 3/4, the hood louvres with the valve cover/s showing through.
I only have to question the street glow in the first pic?
Never noticed it before. [roll]
I'm not sure what that is. Looks sort of like down lighting from under neither the car, but that doesn't strike me as Ken's style. :-\
A guy I work with built his wife a Subaru Forester that is something like 350 hp to the wheels. Apparently last weekend he brought it down to VIR and was passing Porsches and such. Now that's got to be an ego blow.
Quote from: lethe on October 25, 2008, 05:01:43 AM
A guy I work with built his wife a Subaru Forester that is something like 350 hp to the wheels. Apparently last weekend he brought it down to VIR and was passing Porsches and such. Now that's got to be an ego blow.
Yes, that is one nice grocery getter.
That isn't that difficult. The XT Forester has the WRX turbo engine. Easily achieved with some tunning equipement (intake, exhaust, and other easy goodies) and a remapp. Unfortunately, unless he swaped out the drive terrian with a STI he has more power than the stock can handle and will eventially cause serious drive terrian damage.
My youngest step son is getting close to 380hp out of his WRX. He trashed his drive terrian (tranny and rear diff, mostly) with all that extra power. He is in the process of putting a used STI drive terrian in. Should be a real sleeper when finished. If mapped right he could get close to 500 hp. [evil]
Quote from: DesmoDiva on October 25, 2008, 05:45:33 AM
Yes, that is one nice grocery getter.
That isn't that difficult. The XT Forester has the WRX turbo engine. Easily achieved with some tunning equipement (intake, exhaust, and other easy goodies) and a remapp. Unfortunately, unless he swaped out the drive terrian with a STI he has more power than the stock can handle and will eventially cause serious drive terrian damage.
My youngest step son is getting close to 380hp out of his WRX. He trashed his drive terrian (tranny and rear diff, mostly) with all that extra power. He is in the process of putting a used STI drive terrian in. Should be a real sleeper when finished. If mapped right he could get close to 500 hp. [evil]
I don't know all the details of what he's done but it sure looks like he knows what he's doing. I saw it the other day and it has big ass Brembos at each corner and all sorts of other goodies. Looks very professionally done to me.
I've yet to see his 300ZX, that is supposedly good for 100mph rolling burnouts. [evil]
Quote from: lethe on October 25, 2008, 05:50:30 AM
I don't know all the details of what he's done but it sure looks like he knows what he's doing. I saw it the other day and it has big ass Brembos at each corner and all sorts of other goodies. Looks very professionally done to me.
I've yet to see his 300ZX, that is supposedly good for 100mph rolling burnouts. [evil]
wow, a forester that isn't driven by a hippy at 15 mph under the limit.
WANT!
and i really need to see that 300zx in action to believe it.
Quote from: KnightofNi on October 25, 2008, 07:39:31 AM
wow, a forester that isn't driven by a hippy at 15 mph under the limit.
WANT!
and i really need to see that 300zx in action to believe it.
I completely believe the guy. The forester is way badass, so I have no issue believing that the 300 is at least equally modified.
I'm sure he's posted pictures or video up somewhere, I'll him an email Monday to see if he has any links or maybe some pictures he can send me that he won't mind being posted.
Here's this guy's wife's Forester. His quoted horsepower numbers are lower than I thought they were, I was probably incorrectly saying what the car would be doing when he does a bit more work.
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f104/overnight-overhaul-41208/ (http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f104/overnight-overhaul-41208/)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a295/giacco/312h3lt.jpg)
Sweet [evil]
Thanks for the update!
That's the same model B and I had (without the mods) in the dark grey. :'( :'(
Do you know what he has done to the suspension? It looks slammed. In a good way. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DesmoDiva on November 05, 2008, 05:39:02 PM
Sweet [evil]
Thanks for the update!
That's the same model B and I had (without the mods) in the dark grey. :'( :'(
Do you know what he has done to the suspension? It looks slammed. In a good way. [thumbsup]
I think he lists some of the mods in that thread he gave me a link to post.
Definitely isn't stock ride height.
He was showing me pics from VIR today and his friend has an awesome 888 with tons of CF.
i'm driving a little black A3 this week while my A4 is in the shop.
it is peppy, and cute, but i'm not into the hatchback, and the lack of AWD...
if i were to consider it as a replacement, i'd need to try the quattro version,
because my a4 just about sticks to the road...
(http://www.audiusa.com/etc/medialib/cms4imp/audi2/aoa/product_my08/a3my08/exterior.Par.0100.Image.jpg)
To bad the we don't get the s3. That looks like a fun car.
Quote from: VTRIDER on November 06, 2008, 04:28:30 AM
To bad the we don't get the s3. That looks like a fun car.
i drove it in the rain last night... not so fun.
I mean the s3 as in sport version with bigger engine and quattro
Quote from: DesmoDiva on November 05, 2008, 05:39:02 PM
Sweet [evil]
Thanks for the update!
That's the same model B and I had (without the mods) in the dark grey. :'( :'(
Do you know what he has done to the suspension? It looks slammed. In a good way. [thumbsup]
I asked him today what he did to it so he gave me a list.
Suspension:
-Tein Flex GT Coilovers with EDFC system
-MRT front camber/caster plates
-Whiteline 27mm front sway bar
-Whiteline 24mm rear sway bar
-Whiteline rear swaybar stout mounts
-Kartboy front and rear endlinks
-Kartboy rear subframe locking bolts
-Cusco rear subframe brace w/diffuser bracket
-Whiteline quick release strut tower brace
-SPT front strut tower brace
-SPT lower front H brace
Brakes:
-STI Brembo front 4 piston calipers
-STI Brembo rear 2 piston calipers
-Hawk HPS pads front and rear
-Goodridge steel braided lines front and rear
-Motul FR6000 brake fluid
Wheels:
Enkie RPF-1 18x8 ,-35 offset
Toyo Proxes R888
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on November 06, 2008, 04:24:26 AM
i'm driving a little black A3 this week while my A4 is in the shop.
it is peppy, and cute, but i'm not into the hatchback, and the lack of AWD...
if i were to consider it as a replacement, i'd need to try the quattro version,
because my a4 just about sticks to the road...
I agree.
quattro qicks. I have it on my A4 Avant and I've never driven another vehicle (including trucks) that will plow through snow like that thing.
Quote from: FatguyRacer on October 21, 2008, 12:11:14 PM
I hope that Panamera gets better gas milage than my 928 did.
John, I was thinking of you when finding these... (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2324102501_87f8f0c333.jpg) (http://www.tuzing.cz/clanky/15.11.06/Porsche%20928%20pick_soubory/image001.jpg) (http://www.tuzing.cz/clanky/15.11.06/Porsche%20928%20pick_soubory/image002.jpg)
(http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/928_camino.jpg) (http://993c4s.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/dp44-exterior.jpg) (http://993c4s.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/dp44-rear.jpg)
Quote from: alfisti on November 08, 2008, 09:02:15 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2324102501_87f8f0c333.jpg)
Is this the prototype that Dr. Ferry drove around?
Carrera is in for service, so I am in a Cayenne S for a couple days.
^^^^^^^^^ I think you're correct about this if my memory serves me...
How's the Cayman compared to your Carrera
Quote from: NAKID on November 08, 2008, 09:56:16 AM
How's the Cayman compared to your Carrera
I like the Cayman a lot. Always been a big fan of the mid-engine.
Not a huge difference in power to weight ratio, and I think the Cayman handles just a little better.
If there comes a time to replace the Carrera, it will probably be with a Cayman.
'cept the current loaner is this:
(http://www.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/normal.jpg?pool=germany&type=galleryimage&id=cayennes-experience-exterior03&lang=none&filetype=normal)
not:
(http://www.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/normal.jpg?pool=germany&type=galleryimage&id=c7-experience-exterior-05&lang=none&filetype=normal)
Panamera pics released....
http://www.leftlanenews.com/porsche-panamera.html (http://www.leftlanenews.com/porsche-panamera.html)
Quote from: alfisti on November 08, 2008, 09:02:15 AM
John, I was thinking of you when finding these... (http://www.tuzing.cz/clanky/15.11.06/Porsche%20928%20pick_soubory/image001.jpg)
Dammit! Now Im going to have to sell my Avalanche! Wonder if my Brute Force 750 4 wheeler will fit?? ;D
Quote from: stateprez on November 23, 2008, 07:16:34 PM
Panamera pics released....
Ok, this part is cool:
"The 'S' model will deliver 400 hp from a 4.8-liter V8, and the Turbo variant will offer an estimated 500 horses."This part is
not cool:
"The entry-level powerplant will be Volkswagen's 3.6-liter six-cylinder engine with 300 horsepower." "According to Edmunds, the base car will come with a sticker price of $127,000."A VW-powered Porsche with a base price of $127k, featuring a measly 300hp? What the hell are they smokin' in Weissach? [laugh]
Wow, didn't see that part. But look at it this way, why is their turbo 4.8 V8 putting out only 500hp when Nissan's GTR is putting out 480 (claimed, magazine tests have shown more) out of their turbo 3.8 V6? Granted, the Nissan is a twin turbo, but come on. This is Porshe we're talking about...
You won't be paying 127 for a VW powered Porsche. It will be considerably lower than that. Probably start around 60 or so and go up from there. The Porsche is a twin turbo also. If the horsepower figures don't impress you then start comparing torque. I haven't compared the two myself but would expect a huge difference.
Quote from: NAKID on November 25, 2008, 06:57:41 PM
Wow, didn't see that part. But look at it this way, why is their turbo 4.8 V8 putting out only 500hp when Nissan's GTR is putting out 480 (claimed, magazine tests have shown more) out of their turbo 3.8 V6? Granted, the Nissan is a twin turbo, but come on. This is Porshe we're talking about...
Im betting it wont eat its own transmission after 20 hard launches though ;D
(http://www.topgear.com/us/images/pic/17pic_concept2.jpg)
me want
zoom zoom zoom
Quote from: porschaholic on November 25, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
If the horsepower figures don't impress you then start comparing torque. I haven't compared the two myself but would expect a huge difference.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2009_nissan_gt_r_dyno_test/index.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2009_nissan_gt_r_dyno_test/index.html)
Here are 3 dyno pulls
"430.6 hp @ 6700 rpm & 425.3 lb-ft @ 3900 rpm
425.8 hp @ 6000 rpm & 433.1 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
435.8 hp @ 6800 rpm & 439.1 lb-ft @ 3900 rpm"
Here's what they estimate drivetrain losses equal:
Crankshaft horsepower assuming
Weather corrected dyno figures 15% loss 20% loss 25% loss
Horsepower 430.6 506.6 538.3 574.1
Torque 425.3 500.4 531.6 567.1
Quote from: bluemoco v2.0 on November 25, 2008, 06:50:40 PM
A VW-powered Porsche with a base price of $127k, featuring a measly 300hp? What the hel are they smokin' in Weissach? [laugh]
Explanation:
"A new study has found that German sports car maker Porsche earns an incredible average of $28,000 in profit on every vehicle it sells. The figure â€" printed in Germany's Welt am Sonntag newspaper, citing a study by B&D Forecast â€" dwarfs the per-car earnings of virtually any other automaker.
Comparatively, luxury and sports car maker BMW makes about $3,200 per car. Audi nets a less impressive $1,580, and Chrysler and Volkswagen earn just $900 and $400, respectively."
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-porsche-profits-28000-per-car.html (http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-porsche-profits-28000-per-car.html)
New Pontiac G8 ST:
(http://www.thegmsource.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/1734.jpg)
6.0L V8 361HP
Quote from: porschaholic on November 25, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
You won't be paying 127 for a VW powered Porsche. It will be considerably lower than that. Probably start around 60 or so and go up from there. <snip>
I'm not so sure about that. Here's what they say on the Edmunds.com website (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/FVDP/Preview/styleId=100542363):
"Prices in Europe are expected to start at around $125,000 for the Panamera V6, ranging up to $195,000 for the Panamera Turbo. Sticker prices on the U.S. models could be slightly lower when it goes on sale in late 2009."If this info is correct, the 500hp Turbo model is priced at
double the MSRP of a CLS63 AMG. That's just crazy.
Quote from: optiato on November 26, 2008, 08:17:35 AM
New Pontiac G8 ST:
(http://www.thegmsource.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/1734.jpg)
6.0L V8 361HP
New Pontiac = Old Holden Ute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Ute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Ute)
Quote from: bluemoco v2.0 on November 26, 2008, 08:55:39 AM
I'm not so sure about that. Here's what they say on the Edmunds.com website (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/FVDP/Preview/styleId=100542363):
"Prices in Europe are expected to start at around $125,000 for the Panamera V6, ranging up to $195,000 for the Panamera Turbo. Sticker prices on the U.S. models could be slightly lower when it goes on sale in late 2009."
If this info is correct, the 500hp Turbo model is priced at double the MSRP of a CLS63 AMG. That's just crazy.
I stand corrected.
Quote from: stateprez on November 26, 2008, 09:22:12 AM
New Pontiac = Old Holden Ute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Ute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Ute)
Yup, those were all over the place when I was in Australia in 2002...