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... 'Cause you can't do Freddie's school anymore and god help you if you had a deposit apparently.

http://www.fastfreddie.com/ (http://www.fastfreddie.com/)

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34773 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34773)

Ouch.

it's worse:

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34774 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34774)

Ugh.  Well, hopefully this means that they kick his ass off of the SPEED telecasts too. 

Of course, now if a rider has a bike repo'd, we get to hear him tell us how he's been through that before and how he handled it...

Pretty sleazy.

Dirty pool, Freddy. ???

WTH? Do racing schools have a lot of investments in insurance or mortgage backed securities? I ain't buying it.

It's a shame.

I agree: I think it's a serious bummer.  A bummer the school is no longer available, and a bummer that at least one guy got hosed for a lot of money.  I was there in August and they didn't mention anything about canceling dates in July.  I guess I won't be seeing my videos in the mail anytime soon.

and Keith speaks...

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34782 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34782)

though I am curious whom he considered to be the big 3 as it were?

after doing level 1&2 at Barber, I just can't help but think of Keith as a burn-out flakey muppet with the way his eyes bug out with his seemingly disconnected from his shoulders head bob while he gives his class sessions....but that is another story...

Spencer, Schwantz, and Pridmore?

Pridmore ->Reg's CLASS school or Jason's STARR school?......problem is...some of those schools are so regionally located...you have to travel...and some of the regionally located non-national-chain schools I think are as good if not better...

FOR INSTANCE - I had a problem personally with the fact that I had to fly to Barber to attend CSS and learn a new track, an unfamilar bike (going from my 98 Monster 900 track bike to their Kawasaki ZX6RR 636), and to take in their curriculum(which most of day 1 was like going back to kindergarten and wasting my time personally speaking-though it allowed me the parameter to get used to their bike a little bit and the track)....I would have much rather(if it wasn't given to me as a gift) taken MY bike to VIR (where I am very familiar with the track and done more than a few track days there) and then maybe gotten more out of their curriculum possibly....there are many schools though like Cornerspeed (especially with their Cornerspin offshoot) that teach as effectively with as much content and personalization and are as World Class, IMHO, without having to truck my crap more than a full day's worth of driving to attend...

For me, the schools that provide bikes work out well.  Miller is the closest track to me (about 5 hours), but I don't have a truck or a trailer. 

I had wondered if the economy was hurting Spencer's school.  When I went last year, it was full--20 students; a few weeks ago, there were only nine of us.  When I think about how much overhead they have (bikes, tires, insurance, track, classroom, garages, instructors, mechanics, food, travel, vans, etc.),  I can see how it must be a challenge to keep the doors open.

VIR is 5 hours from me, and I do have my ScoobyTruck with a small trailer...but you can always rent a pick-up truch and use a ramp or a reinforced 2 X 6

That sucks...there are three tracks within an hour for me... [cheeky]

This sucks. A friend and I were planning to do his school at Miller next September.  :'( My buddy just talked with Nick Ienastch (sp?) a couple months ago at Sportbike NW, and was all jazzed to go.  :-\

jason.  definitely not reg.



someone forced you to attend CSS?  i know you said gift.. but i bet you could have contacted the school and traded for another date if you wanted to.  and who complains about going to barber?!  ;)

 - their cirriculum is set.  and with as many successful attendees as they've had, it's safe to say it works.  it starts with level 1 no matter who you are and wisely so.
 - you're learning particular drills, particular skills; it's not a track day.  all the lessons, especially on the lower levels, start out very slowly speed-wise.  after the first session, you get turn-in points marked on the ground.  so you need to be really familiar with the track in this situation why?


bummer about freddie.  maybe he's turned his focus to phonics.

NOPE, cause the guy who gave me the gift was going with me as a way for us to play on the track together in different circumstances,cause he was using me as a carrot to tow him around VIR on my 70hp machine while he was on his 1098 equipped with Easy Button, se he figured we'd get to really see what we could do out there together around one another

it was a horrible experience for sure  ;) :P [cheeky]  I had to tell him about the museum to get him interested in going to that as well cause he didn't know anything about that...

yes, their curriculum is set and it isn't a bad one...not one I particluarly agree with on EVERY point in how they go about the lessons they teach and in what order...but we all come from a different riding backround and way of thinking and doing things...so we can't say that we'll always be in agreement...and it wasn't until the late late portion of the 1st day that they started putting turn in points out on the tarmac....and then again not until after the 2nd session the 2nd day...not sure if it was lazyness, disorganization, or just a lack of feeling for need for them until that point...I agree that it isn't a track day and you are there to learn specific things and follow their regimen of things (just glad they didn't push the whole Dianetics any further than what they did or I would had to say something nasty that wouldn't have been appreciated by them) because it is after all "A School"...but any school is easier to take in when you are trying to overcome less foreign matter...so a track you are unfamilair with + a bike you are unfamiliar with + a regimen you are unfamilair with = leads to a certain level of discomfort like it did for me and  a greater amount to overcome for to make it a successful effort....it was worth it and I learned a thing or 2...but I would feel better having done it with a couple variables eliminated...and a track I am familar with certainly helps me in knowing where I can push my comfort zone and envelope for the learning of what they are trying to teach in a safe circumstance...


bummer about freddie.  maybe he's turned his focus to phonics.
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When I was at Freddie's school, they didn't mark turn-in points, although they did mark apexes and exits.  It would be interesting to compare markers used by different schools to see how they vary (if at all).  I've never done a CSS school, but it does sound like they teach a different riding style than Freddie.

fwiw, there are three rider groups at CSS: green, yellow, white.  once all three have had 1 on-track session, the turn points get put down.  so about 10am.  unless somehow you were at a date with no Level 1 students, that's always the case.

and re scientology: i'm not an advocate by any stretch of the imagination.. but the presence of some signage and books, from an org that never once actually mentions it, doesn't bother me.  was your experience different?

Linda started to at a couple points when she was reminding people about taking salt and mineral suppliments...

A happy ending for Ienatsch?

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35957 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35957)

...and who doesn't like a happy ending...  ;D

yeah she did that at my class too but that has nothing to do with scientology, that has to do with "real science" in general for replacing electrolytes in case its hot out and you get dehydrated, etc.

....i was gonna say that

I got impatient and signed up for Schwantz' school this month; a week later I see this:

http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/release.php?p_id=188 (http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/release.php?p_id=188)

 :-\

Maybe I can sell a kidney or something.