Looking for yet another thing to clean up the back of the bike, I purchased a TPO crankcase breather vent filter kit direct from TPO. I ride a 2008 Monster 695 but the kit fits all monsters. In fact, the instructions supplied with the kit were for an 848. The kit arrived in 3 days and was pretty simple to install. I would say that anyone could do it regardless of your wrenching experience. Here's what comes in the kit:
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Then I got the tools together. I used a (from L to R) a 4mm T-handle Hex, a 4mm hex Key, a 5mm T-handle Hex, medium pair of dikes, large and small flat-tip screwdrivers, and a 10mm nut driver.
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I put the bike up on a swingarm stand and removed the seat. Here is a before shot of what the underside of the bike looked like and the underside of the seat.
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(http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/joev160/before.jpg)
I started by removing the hardware (5mm Hex) and swinging the Rectifier/regulator out of the way. The tank sits directly below the rectifier and is held in place by the 2 outside 5mm hex bolts. There are nuts on the underside of the plastic (10 mm)
(http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/joev160/hardwareout.jpg)
Next, I used a flat tip screw driver to loosen the hose clamps securing the 2 hoses to the oil tank.
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With the hoses disconnected from the tank, it lifted right out. I was surprised to find that there was a noticeable amount of fluid in it. I'm pretty sure it was water, from what, I don't know.
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From the left side of the bike, I propped the tank up and then I traced the long tube back to the airbox.
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I used a flat-tip screwdriver to pop the tube out of the airbox. Notice the hole in the airbox now.
(http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/joev160/hole.jpg)
I used the middle sized plug to fill the hole. I would have used some silicone sealant, but I don't have any right now.
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I moved over to the right side of the bike and removed the clamp from the tube that leads to the breather valve.
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There was not a lot of room here so I decided to remove the 4mm bolt securing the rear resivoir to the frame and swing it out of the way. I removed the tube.
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Next, I oiled the filter with K&N filter oil
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I installed the hose clamp that came with the kit on the bottom of the filter, then pressed it on the breather valve. Then I tightened the clamp with a screwdriver, and re-installed the reservoir.
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Next, I wanted to relocate the resistor from the left side of the bike. I found a scrap piece of metal and it was just long enough to reach to the, now empty, mounting point on the left side of the frame. I had to cut some zip ties and reroute some wires but I think it looks a lot better.
(http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/joev160/cleanedup.jpg)
And that's it. I installed the seat, and was done. Here is an after picture. I think it made a little bit of a difference
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Here is what was removed from the bike
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All in all, very easy and took me maybe 20 minutes.
great write up!
i'll be doing this one fairly soon.
Thanks, I have about 700 miles on the bike since then and haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary, glad I did it.
Well done.
I yanked the side panels off my bike a few weeks ago and that breather has been a sore thumb ever since. With a set of instructions in front of me, I'm way too fearless with a wrench for my own good. I'll be keeping these around [clap]
Thanks, I think the most noticeable benefit is losing the oil tank. One of those things you don't notice until it's gone. One of these days I'll get around to rattle caning the top of the chrome K&N vent filter...
So for some reason my kit didn't come with the plug for the airbox...anyone know if there's a danger in leaving this unplugged?
Yes, without the plug, you effectivly have a hole beneath the air filter - bad
Thx Capo. I figured out that I'm a giant retard and ordered the wrong kit.
You should be able to find a suitable plug at Lowes or Home Depot...a plug and some sealer.
I just did the same make the beast with two backsing thing. Ordered the Idle AIr Filter Kit on accident.
Managed to clear it up BEFORE they shipped though. It's because the Crankcase Kit isn't listed in the MONSTER section right now for some reason. I brought it to their attention.
whats the size/diameter on the crackcase filter? i want to go by autozone and see if i can pick one up for cheaper than tpo sells them
i'll post up the filter size/part number if i can find it when my kit arrives.
This post is awesome ! [clap]
THANKS A LOT [thumbsup]
Only one thing: you oiled the filter with the K&N spray; what if I don't have it? ???
Thanks
Riccardo
Quote from: iduesoliusa on January 24, 2009, 12:06:34 PM
This post is awesome ! [clap]
THANKS A LOT [thumbsup]
Only one thing: you oiled the filter with the K&N spray; what if I don't have it? ???
Thanks
Riccardo
If you bought the TPO kit you should've gotten a little clear pouch with red oil in it (pictured in Ranger06's first post). That's the same oil that's in the spray can. If you didn't buy the kit then you can pick up K&N filter oil at pretty much any auto supply store.
So, I just squeeze the red oil around the filter? ???
Quote from: b. on January 25, 2009, 10:37:51 AM
If you bought the TPO kit you should've gotten a little clear pouch with red oil in it (pictured in Ranger06's first post). That's the same oil that's in the spray can. If you didn't buy the kit then you can pick up K&N filter oil at pretty much any auto supply store.
Quote from: iduesoliusa on January 25, 2009, 11:38:47 AM
So, I just squeeze the red oil around the filter? ???
Yes, spread it evenly around the filter, but don't glob it on there. Do it once, wait about 15 minutes and then apply it again to those areas that you missed.
any body got the filter size/part number? i know i can fine it cheaper than the TPO price
so you have 2008 monster.
how did you relocate your rectifier/regulator without using the TPO plate from their seperate kit?
sorry it took me so long to respond. All I did was get a piece of steel from Lowes and make my own. I think the piece I bought was actually some sort of fence hasp...some kind of brace for maybe a wood door. worked like a charm. Any piece an inch wide and about 5" long should work.
gotcha. thanks for the reply. have to do some drilling and what not on that piece?
recycle!
I can send you one in a padded envelope. I have tons of scrap Aluminum (6000) in sizes that cant be used for much. plus its blingy if you polish it [thumbsup] not that you can see it.
ranger06, May i ask, the vent box... those two reservoirs do connect at some point right? Because i just want to connect the two hoses together and call it a day...
He Man, the hoses do not connect to each other. One hose goes from the reservoir to the airbox. The second hose goes from the reservoir to the breather valve. Both hoses get removed. the airbox gets a plug in it and the breather valve gets swapped out for a K&N filter. I would NOT connect the hoses together once the oil reservoir (tank) is removed. I guess that would vent any fluids from the crankcase straight to your airbox.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: Ranger06 on March 04, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
He Man, the hoses do not connect to each other. One hose goes from the reservoir to the airbox. The second hose goes from the reservoir to the breather valve. Both hoses get removed. the airbox gets a plug in it and the breather valve gets swapped out for a K&N filter. I would NOT connect the hoses together once the oil reservoir (tank) is removed. I guess that would vent any fluids from the crankcase straight to your airbox.
Hope this helps.
Okay, just to make sure we are on the same page. the 2 resoviors do not connect in any way?
I was told the gas from the crankcase gets vented in the breather box, and that gas gets vaccum sucked into the airbox and reused...
i highly doubt that a significant amount of oil would be able to make it up to the airbox, im sure some would, but the amount of pressure for that to happen would be tremendous. you rarely even spit out oil from the K&N filter.
Quote from: He Man on March 05, 2009, 12:04:41 AM
Okay, just to make sure we are on the same page. the 2 resoviors do not connect in any way?
I was told the gas from the crankcase gets vented in the breather box, and that gas gets vaccum sucked into the airbox and reused...
i highly doubt that a significant amount of oil would be able to make it up to the airbox, im sure some would, but the amount of pressure for that to happen would be tremendous. you rarely even spit out oil from the K&N filter.
He Man,
You're correct, crankcase to breather box to air box. You're also probably right that it would take a lot of pressure to actually send anything back up, but why not just cap the box and put a filter on the crankcase?
My friend did this on his monster it spits out a lot of crank case gasses. it might be the air we ride in or something.
i need to dump the crankcase for my new shock, i think i may just connect the two tubes together and call it a day.
I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up with an oily airbox filter that way. Not only would your bike be idling on misty, oily air coming directly from your crankcase, but it would then be running on it FULL TIME. If you think about it, it's not PRESSURE that's going to get oil that far up from the crankcase, but rather SUCTION. As soon as your crack that throttle open, it's going SUCK some air (and probably oil) directly from your crankcase, instead of the breather box. The breather/vent box does just what it says. It stores any oil mist, while venting the pressure from your crankcase, and then cycles air back to your airbox. It does work, but by installing the filer kit, you will even further reduce the pressure in your crankcase (thus preventing any oil blowback), and it will also allow your bike to idle on the same tasty, clean air that it gulps down while at WOT.
It sounds like your friend has a crankcase pressure problem that doesn't have much to do with the filter kit maybe?
At $25 bucks, I'd give the kit a try. If it doesn't work out, you can always do your hose splicing.
Well, I took care of my crank breather kit last night.
I have an 02+ monster, so of course I had to create something to mount my rectifier/regulator to under the seat.
I didn't want the elements (other than more air) to be able to get to it, so i created a small blockoff plate/mounting bracket using a spare piece of steel and a dremel tool. With the breather box out of the way, the rectifier gets a lot more air, so I felt it would be fine to protect to the bottom of it from road debris, water, and other nasties.
Here is a link to an JPEG of my bracket on Flickr, download the LARGE size, and print it horizontally on an 8.5x11 Sheet. DO NOT SCALE IT.
Bracket on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32732335@N03/3346921148/#sizes/o/)
Here's a preview [thumbsup]
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/3346921148_c7e7e8093b.jpg)
If anyone would like it in a scalable vector / PDF format, just let me know.
Again, obviously, please don't sell this bracket to people for a profit. It's free, public knowledge meant to help our tech forum be more useful.
Obviously, plastic would work fine here too...
I used a piece of a metal bookshelf end I had laying around, and a dremel. It worked perfect.
PM me if you want it in PDF format.
Corey,
Thanks for taking the time to post your template. It'll save me some time and also it's better than what I probably would've come up with, left to my own devices.
no problem! be sure to measure it when you print it out to make sure it corresponds to my measurements that are on the template.
sometimes things like to get scaled down on the internet and whatnot...
if you have trouble getting it to the right size, shoot me a PM and I can send you the PDF version that will print properly.
just to update, i did end up connecting the two tubes together and dynoed it. Runs perfectly fine.
Quote from: hitman87 on January 25, 2009, 07:40:10 PM
any body got the filter size/part number? i know i can fine it cheaper than the TPO price
anyone?
sorry dude, couldn't find a number on my filter...
Quote from: corey on June 30, 2009, 10:36:10 AM
sorry dude, couldn't find a number on my filter...
Since the filter just opens up to the air, does it really matter what size it is?
As long as you find a K&N filter you can clamp to the crankcase breather, wouldn't anything work?
Pretty much, yea. Just gotta make sure it fit's in there, and fits properly on the breather's outlet. i don't see why anything close wouldn't work...
From the emissions removal writeup on Ducati Suite http://ducatisuite.com/emissions.html (http://ducatisuite.com/emissions.html)
The filter is a 2" diameter K&N "Race Style" that goes directly over a 3/4" tube (the PCV tube), part number KNN-62-1360.
Does anyone have the K&N part number for this filter? Thanks
Quote from: RodeoClown on July 10, 2009, 04:52:40 AM
Does anyone have the K&N part number for this filter? Thanks
Um, yes. It's listed in the post directly above yours.
I asked this in another forum also
Aren't you going to have lots oil puke from the breather now ?
Ah thanks! [bang]
Quote from: ab on July 14, 2009, 06:05:59 PM
I asked this in another forum also
Aren't you going to have lots oil puke from the breather now ?
the breather tank, as I understand it, only contains vapor and oil mist, it's not circulating oil or anything. Some people report that sustained wheelies will cause it to puke oil.
Quote from: Privateer on July 19, 2009, 09:42:50 AM
the breather tank, as I understand it, only contains vapor and oil mist, it's not circulating oil or anything. Some people report that sustained wheelies will cause it to puke oil.
I've also heard that sustained wheelies on ducatis will create oil starvation and eventually scatter the motor...
Quote from: Ranger06 on October 30, 2008, 01:26:09 PM
Looking for yet another thing to clean up the back of the bike, I purchased a TPO crankcase breather vent filter kit direct from TPO. I ride a 2008 Monster 695 but the kit fits all monsters. In fact, the instructions supplied with the kit were for an 848. The kit arrived in 3 days and was pretty simple to install. I would say that anyone could do it regardless of your wrenching experience. Here's what comes in the kit
You, Sir, are a legend. Within 15mins of finding this thread, I ordered the kit from TPO online.
I am sick to death of the rectifier cooking my testicles.
Step 1 (thanks to you): getting rid of the crankcase breather.
Step 2 moving that rectifier forward and away from me (with better airflow for cooling).
Should make the rides more enjoyable.
Thanks again! [beer]
Ranger 06, thank you for taking the time to take all the photos and post. I installed the crank case breather vent over the weekend, and your post helped a great deal! [thumbsup]