Ducati Monster Forum

I've had my M696 for a few weeks now, and naturally the idea of mods is starting to develop.

One thing I've noticed from pictures and descriptions, is that a significant amount of members have put Termi cans on their bikes. Being so new to the motorcycle world, I guess I don't entirely understand what all the fuss is about?

Sure they sound great, but I've heard that they don't improve performance much. Is an improvement in sound worth $1300(ish)?? I guess to some people that figure is subjective, and if they have the $$ to spend on it, it could be worth the price.

And to be honest, I like the look of the stock cans, I think they look better than most of the upgraded cans that I've seen.

I'm not trying to bust on Termi, or the people who have them. I'm merely trying to understand why people are so enthusiastic about 'em.


That being said, I think my first mod will be the 14T front sprocket. But I'd love to hear any other suggestions for mods that you guys have.

 [beer]

The 14T sprocket is a great mod for very little cost and definitly improves felt performance. I think most people choose the Termis because they are factory approved, and when combined with the chip are a great power boost.

Me neither, I tried them once. Expensive and IMO Arrows have a better fit and superior build quality for less $$

Well they look good, They Sound good. They give a minor increase in performance.

I think most people get them for the look and sound.

On my 03 620 I was very happy to drop the grand on them... It was the missing item that tied my bike together  ;D

I got them because they came in a kit with a new, better-performing ECU (and airbox/air filter).   I think most people get them because of the DP kit.

+1 This is the reason they're on my 848.

My Multi has Remus exhaust...much better than the termi option IMO.

certainly varies by which bike.   Didn't matter what brand of exhaust..... but losing the heavy udder for my bike, increasing the midrange a lot, making the fueling much more crisp, and with the DP ECU raising the rev limiter too...completely changed the motorcycle.

The stock testastretta motor comes stock as a chubby asthmatic with a cork stuck up its ass.

Termi's are cool and sound good, but I went with Quat-D. If I were on a budget, I'd just core the stock cans.

Definitely get a 14T front sprocket. It's the best mod for the money.

It may be that, from what I hear, a lot of the fueling issues being fixed on the new gen, with better FI and all that, you may not be as interested in the DP kit.



What you need to do is test ride a 696 with termi's, and see if you care $1300 worth.




Remember when you wanted an alternative to winter storage? It's called winter mods-use the cold season to pick up a spare job, spare cash, and waste it foolishly.

I think the Termi preference is a carry over from the 916 style bikes with undertail exhaust.  It just looked right.  the 749/999 it was the only system to run(IMO).  Didn't termignoni have an exclusive deal with Ducati to provide the first aftermarket exhaust for new models?  I think for certain models there are better "fits" however.  The S*R bikes look the biz with titanium Arrows, and I think the 1098/848 look better with carbon Akropovic exhaust. 

For certain models termis were almost necessary to complete the Ducati look/sound/performance combo, where as others (your 696 included) have more/better styling and performance options.

Is it easy to core the stock cans?

yeah, I got them because I needed the DP ECU and the ECU alone costs almost as much as the kit with ECU, Termis, and airbox so that made it a simple decision.  Also, IIRC Ducati has a 2 year parts warranty if installed by a dealer so that helps as well.  

You should get some aftermarket exhaust. Termignoni's are nice.

while you wont get much performance gains with just replaceing the stock cans, you will shed some weight which is quite a bit, if you add an ecu to adjust the fuel air mixture accordingly you will get a few more hp but mainly the free flowing exhaust will allow the engine to rev up a bit quicker, it will also allow the engine to run a bit cooler as your dumping all the hot exhaust with the after market and the stock cans keep it locked up in the pipes.

Termis sound like God's having an orgasm.  Housepets explode into flame.  Women collapse in ecstasy.  Children bleed out of their ears.  Grown men sob hysterically.  Cops flee for their lives.

LOL, that explains my hysterical crying and weeping...  I guess my only prescription is either getting Termi's myself or MORE COWBELL.

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]  [wine]  [beer]  [drink]

There's a reason he was sent to Spain as an ambassador.  [thumbsup]

I see you've heard my bike....  ;D

People like Termi's on their Ducs because Termi's are Italian.  Avete capito?

MIVV is I-talion as well.

So is Leo Vince.

...and Zard.  ;D

but none of those other pipes can come with a chip and have no effect on your factory warranty.

Just putting an aftemarket exhaust does NOTHING to your warranty. If that's what the dealer is telling you, they're just trying to sell their product.

there is some great feedback in this tread. I'm not a huge fan of any of the shotgun style exhausts only because they cover up the wheel too much. This is my opinion and it is only based on aesthetics. Mark Savory at Motocreations is doing a final test fitting on my RS for the Boomtubes as we speak. This is the hottest exhaust available for the monster in my opinion..... copy, paste NAKIDS response here.

What Spidey said  [thumbsup]  [clap]

I got the Termis because of the ECU.  And while an aftermarket system won't void the warranty, if dealer installed, you get two years with the Termi system.


So, to sum things up...

Termi = runs good, sounds good, looks good.  And the dealer will handle warranty issues...

Is it much different then the hype about a Monster?  If I just wanted a stripped down bike that had decent performance, I would have probably just settled for a Suzuki SV.  Less maint and a heck of a lot cheaper.  It's all in what you want and how much it is worth to you.  For me, the Termignoni's were worth every penny. 

+1 on termi's they sound great, if you want to have old women shaking in their knees get sum arrows and take the baffles out  [evil]

best.statement.ever   :)

+1; you can't buy them separately.  And while I'm not a fan of carbon--at all--I do prefer higher pipes.

I bought the Termi's because a Ducati is kinda weird looking to me without the Termi's on board, I love the sound, I love the look, I wasn't happy it took nearly 8 weeks to get the make the beast with two backsing things to work correctly  [bang]
But now they are working correctly, I am very happy.

The only other cans that look as good to me is the Remus.

Talk about making me want to drop the $$$ on a set of termis!  You should be in the talks with ducati for a marketing job!  Now if only i could stop riding my bike so much i could save the money to buy termis..........

O and for the sake of staying on topic its without a doubt because they come as a kit with a new ecu and air filter.  And the increase in power is substantial IMO.  The 1098's power goes up 8% with a full termi system.

+1

And I really like the look/sound.  I'm planning on doing my 696 in CF, so the exhaust is a helpful start.

Beautiful, music to the ears, and sexy, just like the entire Monster experience.

Termis have the best combination of deep, bassy, head-turning, tent-pitching exhaust note. IMO.

Termis have the classiest, most subtle logo.

Termis have the sexiest Italian-sounding name.

So yeah...they're pretty much the creme de la creme.  Or crema or whatever it is in Italian.

For the record, I have Arrows, which cost less and are louder.  But they don't look as cool and the loudness is sometimes a little cheap-sounding compared to the glorious Termignoni sound.

As for your bike (696), I test-rode one with Termis and I guess I wouldn't call it "glorious" sounding on that little motor, sorry. Nice, but you're probably right thinking that it's not $1300 worth of nice.

Termis are to Ducati what Ducati are to motorbikes-- you're saying, I'm serious about what my Ducati means to me...

It's just the whole idea of genuine racing/race-bred parts for a race-bred bike.

That may sound a little harsh to some, but certainlly true.  As delivered, they are not what the designer/builder intended - they sorta suck.  Those DP/Termi kits rule.

Good ole Brad Black said,
"Riding the bike the difference is clear – it goes much harder.  All std the bike certainly felt quite nice, with a good top end, but it just didn’t go that hard.  Rolling it open around 4,000 RPM in second gear it would pull smoothly to the rev limiter, but wouldn’t lift the front wheel.  With the kit fitted, the front wheel starts to lift around 6,000 RPM and the rising torque curve keeps it lifting up to 8,000 RPM.  By which time I’d shut the throttle and changed gear.  Opening the throttle again in third will hold the front up very nicely – it’s certainly the most impressive Ducati I’ve ridden ease of high speed wheelie wise.  Very impressive indeed, albeit not so much license retention friendly. "

And the kit, with the DB killers out, makes a boat load more torque between 4000 and 5000 rpm.

I can vouch for the license retention thing too.

The Termi kits rule.   [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

LA

I guess the Termi marketing department earned it's money....  [roll]

A lot of the other exhaust brands also race. That surely isn't exclusive to Termi.

It's convenient.   I had a season and a half of more responsive throttle, higher redline, more grunt, while many others were trying to figure out how to uncork the RS.   But again, this is different for different bikes.

So lots of enthusiasm for the convenient package I understand....but I'd be just as happy if the outside said Zard or Arrow or........

Here's my answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg6xSwC1e1U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg6xSwC1e1U)


I'll follow it up with this:

Factory ECU settings have most bikes running very lean for emissions.  If you want more than just sound out of your bike, go for the trifecta.  Well, there's actually four parts to the DP kit.
Mufflers
Filter
Ecu
Throttle control cable

Who knows, I was sold on it because the dealer installed it before taking delivery and they waived the install fee.   [coffee]

Now, about that 14T sprocket... [bang]

nice answer.   amazing that the smaller motors in the Duc lineup sound easily as good as the bigger bikes (1098 on up excluded...they're just mean on the track and two octives lower than anything else) once oncorked.

Good answer Craig. Though on mine I still think it runs a little lean - lots of pops/backfires on decel, which I actually enjoy  [thumbsup]

Yes, that's true, but note my inclusion of the word GENUINE.

Termi and Ducati are in cahoots... I don't know much about the Termi company history, but I wonder if Termi would even be as well known without Ducati's affiliation.

I would guess not. I've never seen Termi's on any other bike but a Ducati...with exception of Rossi's M1. I'm sure someone will find me an example though.  ;)

"Well known" is terribly relative. Consider that half the population looks at a monster and thinks "Buell". They only seem so well known because everyone here lusts after them.

Yup.
http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/138544/ (http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/138544/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gepP0S47yow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gepP0S47yow)

I like my Termis.  I opened then, wrapped the core with header tape then repacked them.  They're a bit louder ~

JM

Since I can only depend on one person (myself) to spoil me for Christmas, I wonder what I'll get this year? Hmmm....

Easily the best sounding Buell I've ever heard.  [thumbsup]

What is the throttle control cable? I didn't realized this was part of the kit.
Thanks,
Tim

I just found out that Yoshimura makes carbon and Ti kits for the 848 and 1098.  Imagine that; a Ducati with Yosh.  Seems like the type of thing you'd only see in the US. 

Now, I can see Ducati and Termi's b/c that's keeping it in the family.  But Ducati and Yosh?

cut your stock cans and core them.

Someone may have to correct me but, when the ECU is changed out, the throttle position sensor needs to be reset.  I think in the case of the DP kit, it includes a throttle control cable.

While searching through the box of stock parts I found it...pretty much what I listed:

Stock Mufflers
Stock Air Filter
Stock Ecu
Red cable about 24" in length with
DB Killers for the Termi's.

I can take a picture later of it, but I don't know what else it could be.  [coffee]

I put my kit on my bike and there was no cable. The box had the cans, ECU, air filter a small bag of hardware and the classic DP crappy photocopied instructions. There's no need to replace the throttle cable. But you do need to get the TPS adjusted.

Any chance that you put on the DP Fender Eliminator Kit? If so, that's probably the cable for the seat release. It goes from the key mechanism to the unlatching mechanism. You switch that long cable for a much, much, much shorter one.

Thank you!   Yeah, that must be it, then.  [bang]

Sorry for being a Newbie.  [bow_down]

Not true.  Ducati is REALLY tightening up their warranty claims.  It's within their rights to deny your warranty claim if an aftermarket product could have had anything to do with it.  Now, that's not to say you'll be screwed in all cases, but it could happen. 

It really doesn't matter what Ducati says. The Magnussen-Moss Warranty Act basically states that the manufacturer must prove that the modification caused the defect...

So, keep your stock parts, and put them back on before a warranty service.  Did that with my old Camaro.  Put the stock chip back in, took off the pulleys, and pulled the headers.  Hey, it was that or potentially pay $2,000 for a new top end.  [wine]

What is this?

Throttle Position Sensor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throttle_position_sensor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throttle_position_sensor)

(I had to look it up too.)

"I'm not trying to bust on Termi, or the people who have them. I'm merely trying to understand why people are so enthusiastic about 'em."

Wow, just discovered this thread and it already has 3 pages of replies.

You say you like the look of the stock cans better.  Really, that's all that matters; What you like.  If the performance of you choice matches what you like, then it's all good.

I'm not trying to bust on the 696 crowd, but I don't like anything about the way the 696s look, but the Termis almost make the exhaust look okay.  I have no idea about the peformance charactaristics of the exhaust choices.  When someone says they don't like a choice I've made regarding my bike I say, "I don't ride it for your benefit."

(Now, of course it IS cool when lots o' peeps drool over your bike and say cool things.)

On my S4RS, the Termis look AND perform so much better than stock; so I'm happy.

Really, find what look you like that will give you the performance you desire (performance first though, in my book).

NorDog

Not trying to be argumentative, it's just that I work in a dealership and I've seen it happen.  Not with pipes yet, but nothing would surprise me anymore. I've seen Ducati say, "Sorry, that aftermarket part voided your warranty." The customer got stuck with a HUGE repair bill.  If you're willing to chance it, that's fine.  I'm just trying to give a word to the wise.

I think there are a lot of dealers quick to tell a customer that because it's easier than getting the local Ducati rep to take a look at it. Also, there are too many customers out there willing to take the dealer's word for it...

No doubt that probably happens.  Not all dealers are created equal. In the instance I mentioned above, our service manager went to bat FOR the customer, and Ducati's service tech said no way.  Added insult to injury when the customer then (understandably upset) threatened to sue US and Ducati.  He backed down from those initial threats.  Bottom line, these are expensive toys, not Toyota's or Kia's.  Treat them with care, and the people you rely on to fix them (if you rely on others to fix them!).

Recently my S4RS needed to have the TPS and some trigger thingie in the software readjusted.  My bike had about 2500 miles on it with the most recent 1900 having the full DP Termi kit.  Prior to taking the bike in to be checked out, one of my instructors here at MMI who has previously serviced Ducatis professionally said that the fix (whatever it turned out to be) should not cost me a thing.

The local service manager wanted to charge me about $46.00 after the adjustments were complete.  I mentioned that it should be a warrantee item since the system was a DP product and dealer installed.  He said I needed to take it to the dealership that did the install for that (about 1200 miles away), and that he needed to pay his tech.  I was disappointed, but didn't want to make a stink over $46.00 with an otherwise great dealership.  I paid of course.  After riding it I was so happy with the results it was hard to be upset.

Personally, I think the adjustments should have been at no cost to me.  But it was no big deal ultimately.

However, if a rod had shot through the cases, or some other such disaster, and a dealership claimed that the exhaust voided my warrantee I would have fought it all the way of course.

A case of choosing one's fights wisely I guess.

You shouldn't have had to pay for it. That's one of those things they have to do as a "Ducati Authorized Dealer". All they had to do was submit warranty paperwork to Ducati to get re-imbursed for the work. He probably just didn't want to wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz0mv0XYZa0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz0mv0XYZa0)

Sorry about the wind.  I was solely responsible for the exhaust noise!  [leo]

Just picked up my 09 M696 today! Already had the 14T. Are you running the Quat-D's on the stock ECU? I was told by the dealer that running any aftermarket pipe without the race (Termi) ECU will cause it to run dangerously lean. Can someone please verify or deny this?.

that's true with any full system, i believe.  anything that messes with the air/fuel ratio will need proper tuning.  but you don't need a termi ecu, you can use power commanders as well.

Thanks for the reply. 3 questions:
1. Would a Ducati dealer be willing to install a power commander system, instead of the Termi system?
2. Would installing a power commander system void my warranty?
3. Does anyone have the Quat-D system on their bike that could tell me: do you have a power commander and did it void your warranty, and are you happy with them?

1. possibly.
2. possibly.
3. I have arrows, not quat-d  ;)

my bike was acting wonky after the fueling mods, and the dealer didn't seem at all bothered that I had unapproved aftermarket parts. they checked everything out like it was a normal bike and didn't charge me for the time it was in.

YMMV

Thanks Teddy, good to know.

Termi system sounds good to me.

It makes my S4Rs run much better than my stock system that I ran with for the 1st 1000 miles. I now have around 4300 miles.

My 1098R has the Full race Termi system and although I have nothing to compare it to I do like the racous racket it emits and the performance is brutal.

I heard a 1098R that had a pair of Arrows and I really liked the deep muscular sound.        Dolph         :)

I like them cuz the sound makes me smile and the wife says it sounds sexxy (i love that women)

and better yet they were on her when i bought it.

1.  the dealership my buddy works at installs power commanders, albeit for a jacked up price.
2.  only if the dealer can prove that the pc is what caused the damage needing repair.  but the chances of a pc causing your bike to go in for warranty service is pretty slim.

Termi cans are for sallys. Chop your stock cans like a man!!

Udders are for cows, named Sally or otherwise!   [cheeky]

Let's see.  With the full Termi system (pipes, ECU & Airbox), the bike lost probably near 20 lbs.  Lost that ridiculous looking air stranulation unit the girly udder, gained a sweet exhaust note and intake roar; and it is still warranted by Ducati.
Gained a few ponies.  At the rear tire, it puts what a stock S4RS puts out at the crankshaft, 130 HP.
It goes somewhat better than stock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46EYgisrT4&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46EYgisrT4&feature=channel_page)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz0mv0XYZa0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz0mv0XYZa0)

 [drink]