So i am about a few month away from paying off the monster and i was starting to toy with the idea of another bike, i want something that isn't such a torture on long rides, (the monster has clip-ons) so i was like perfect i can get a super sport but they stopped making them. So what is Ducati's current version of the supersport, i don't like the Multi (sorry just does not appeal to me) and that sportclassic touring is too 80's for me. Is my hope a used ST? or is theresomething else on the horizon.
Quote from: Latinbalar on December 04, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
So i am about a few month away from paying off the monster and i was starting to toy with the idea of another bike, i want something that isn't such a torture on long rides, (the monster has clip-ons) so i was like perfect i can get a super sport but they stopped making them. So what is Ducati's current version of the supersport, i don't like the Multi (sorry just does not appeal to me) and that sportclassic touring is too 80's for me. Is my hope a used ST? or is theresomething else on the horizon.
Supersports are more aggressive than monsters, are you talking about the ST's?
How about a sport classic. The GT1000 has nice high bars. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Court-Jester on December 04, 2008, 02:01:45 PM
Supersports are more aggressive than monsters, are you talking about the ST's?
The newer Supersport had lower clip ons I thought than even my Monster which now have clip ons. They also had a longer tank which stretched you out more unless you're tall or have long arms. The STs are very comfortable. The bars are a little lower than the Monsters but not by much.
Quote from: WDDuke on December 04, 2008, 02:09:31 PM
The newer Supersport had lower clip ons I thought than even my Monster which now have clip ons. They also had a longer tank which stretched you out more unless you're tall or have long arms. The STs are very comfortable. The bars are a little lower than the Monsters but not by much.
The bars on the STs are also a far bit farther away from the seat. For me, my Monster is a much better fit than my St4S was . I guess my upper body is a bit too short for the St4s. A great bike for sure but it killed my neck after an hour or so.
One of the coolest ducs ever made to my mind. Came very close to buying one, but went for a monster because the 'SS' layout was too agressive for my taste. I don't regret it.
(http://www.alan-n-chanda.com/albums1/Fun-Stuff/duc_900ss_93_bikepics_01392.jpg)
oh i wish for an aircooled supersport with the new Monster frame/engine with clipons and awesome bodywork.
that for sure would be my next bike in the garage.
The sport 1000S is probably the closest of any of the current models to the spirit of the Supersport. Comparing my SS to the Monster
Monster has a more comfortable seat
Monster has lower pegs
Monster has higher bars.
SS has bars at a better angle for my wrists
SS is definitely more aggressive.
Well this is what i was thinking.
take Monster 696 and 1100 to start
add clipons
add new rear sets (higher, farther back)
add undertail exhaust (ala one-off from Indy)
or boomtube type lower exhausts (can be hidden with bodywork)
add wraparound body work
create mono- and biposto versions with a monoposto SL version
so you have a SS696 MP, SS696 BP, SS1100 MP, SS1100 BP and SS1100SL
edit: i just did a quick PS with the last SS front body panels on an M1100 ... nice!
Add a half-fairing option (in lue of a full fairing) and I'd buy it for sure. Half-fairing SuperSports are the shiznit. [bacon]
I thought the sport classics were the new supersports?
???
and they're not very 80's at all ;)
I love the lines of the '92--98 Supersports and plan on added it as a track bike. It's def a classic in my book.
Quote from: DesmoDisciple on December 04, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
One of the coolest ducs ever made to my mind. Came very close to buying one, but went for a monster because the 'SS' layout was too agressive for my taste. I don't regret it.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/WannaDucBad/motorcycles/075_75.jpg)
Man! I recently got to sit on one of these for the first time... maybe it's the way I'm built but this thing fit me perfectly. Seriously, it was far more comfortable than my Monster, and is on my short list for the next time I'm looking for a new bike. Really it amazed me, I was expecting a very uncomfortable fit. With a seriously goofy pic of the event. The above pictured is actually one of the 400cc machines. Come to think of it, said machine is HunkyPunks from the NMMR section and I think he's selling it... I'm just sayin'.
This SS is for sale just around the corner from my house:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/mcy/938686063.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/mcy/938686063.html)
There's also this nice 1098R for sale on the minneapolis craigslist: $36,000.00
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/mcy/943330789.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/mcy/943330789.html)
Quote from: WannaDucBad on December 05, 2008, 02:18:54 PM
Man! I recently got to sit on one of these for the first time... maybe it's the way I'm built but this thing fit me perfectly. Seriously, it was far more comfortable than my Monster, and is on my short list for the next time I'm looking for a new bike. Really it amazed me, I was expecting a very uncomfortable fit.
Man, I wish I never sold my 97' 900 SSSP. Hi Comp. pistons with FCRs and a Nichols flywheel to boot. what a ride!
Quote from: extra330 on December 05, 2008, 04:31:12 PM
Man, I wish I never sold my 97' 900 SSSP. Hi Comp. pistons with FCRs and a Nichols flywheel to boot. what a ride!
+1 there! [thumbsup]
My '97 SS/CR has the same motor goodies...
-with 14/40 sprockets it'll keep up with most anything to 100mph.
If I had to keep just one bike that would be the one.
The ergo differences in the SS and Monster lines is a matter of taste, IMHO.
My monster killed my back and wrists until I swapped the factory bars with clipons. I now have about 2" lower hold.
I found the SS's tank shape also helps because you can use your stomach muscles to rest against it.
They are very different bikes: the SS comes from Ducati's racing heritage (851 and 888 had SS frames) whereas the Monster is a parts bin special.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on December 06, 2008, 07:33:12 AM
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They are very different bikes: the SS comes from Ducati's racing heritage (851 and 888 had SS frames) whereas the Monster is a parts bin special.
The SS does have more racing heritage, but the frame is not the same as an 851/888.
More like the other way around.
SS uses a cantilever shock like a TT. Monster has a linkage like the 851/888
Quote from: ducpainter on December 07, 2008, 06:03:52 AM
The SS does have more racing heritage, but the frame is not the same as an 851/888.
More like the other way around.
SS uses a cantilever shock like a TT. Monster has a linkage like the 851/888
Gotcha, I knew the 851 frame was based on the SS but I thought the shock was direct connect.
Actually, the first Monsters used 851/888 frames and swingarms. SS was its own bike. 91+ SS came from the 90 Sport, which some would say came from the F1.
My 1992...
(http://www.ducatitech.com/2v/img/duk_banner_sm.jpg)
One of (something like) 18 black SSs sold in California. I kept it fairly standard looking but polished the wheels rather than re-powder coat them. They were white from the factory, like the frame.
The 91~98 carb'd SSs are tremendously fun for canyons and back roads. They are NOT great as track day bikes. Well, not after the 2nd or 3rd track day. You pretty quickly find out that the pegs, sidestand, and exhaust will readily bury themselves into the pavement once your pace picks up. Also, the front end is pretty well raked out. I put about 29,000 miles on that one. Bought it used and sold it with 35,000 miles.
I loved that bike, but oh man, did it break my heart! swingarm broke. Twice. Crankshaft oil gallery plug went loose. Transmission gears fell apart, like they delaminated, soft valve guides, and the straw that broke the camel's back: the frame cracked.
:) Chris
Quote from: chris on December 07, 2008, 10:40:20 AM
I loved that bike, but oh man, did it break my heart! swingarm broke. Twice. Crankshaft oil gallery plug went loose. Transmission gears fell apart, like they delaminated, soft valve guides, and the straw that broke the camel's back: the frame cracked.
Yeah.. [cheeky] but is sure was pretty.. [thumbsup]
They could probably build one today without all those little
"annoyances". I think I'd buy one if Ducati started building them again.
I think about this topic very often. I am glad other people feel the same. I would love for DUCATI to make a new SS. I would design it so that the riding position is between the 1198 and the ST3 but with the styling way more sporty than the ST3. Of course I would use the new 1100 DS and would make accessories for it so that people can take it in the touring direction or the sporty direction. This would most likely eliminate the need for the ST3 but that bike hardly sells anyway.
Adjustability would be the key in a bike like this. If the pegs, clip-ons, height, and even the seat was adjustable, this would be my dream bike. Granted, it has to look sporty though, just like the original SS. I wish Ducati would do this!!! It seems like you have to be a Racer who only rides 10 minutes at a time, or an older tourer these days. Ducati should bridge that gap. Where is the equivalent of a BMW M6, Merc CL55, or Jaguar XKR these days. It seems like we only get the equivalent of Ferraris Enzos and Porsches 911 Turbos from Ducati. I often think that Ducati does not offer a bike in which one can go for a 3 day ride with friends to look for the best twisties or explore out of state race tracks. A bike one can take touring with the girlfriend or wife, or for a fast sunday ride. I would think that most people over 30 would at least cosider something like that at one point or another. Don't you think?? I would, and would gladly pay more than I did for my s2r 1000.
my 0.2
The ST3S kinda fit that bill, but nobody bought it so they quit makin' it. Now you have to go the Multi route if you wanna tour.
The ergos of the SS really do vary person to person. I sold my M620 for a 900SS. I thought I loved it, till last week when I rode my buddies S2R to our basement for winter storage, I realize that I miss the monster platform way to much, and I want another monster. [bang]
Anyone interested in a 1996 900SS? haha [laugh]
Quote from: DesmoTull on December 10, 2008, 04:26:21 PM
The ergos of the SS really do vary person to person. I sold my M620 for a 900SS. I thought I loved it, till last week when I rode my buddies S2R to our basement for winter storage, I realize that I miss the monster platform way to much, and I want another monster. [bang]
Anyone interested in a 1996 900SS? haha [laugh]
Oh, oh, me, ME!
PM me. ;)
(sorry for the thread jack!) [beer]
Quote from: DucNrun on December 10, 2008, 04:06:07 PM
The ST3S kinda fit that bill, but nobody bought it so they quit makin' it. Now you have to go the Multi route if you wanna tour.
Or buy a Guzzi. Ducati was interested in buying Guzzi a while back, mainly so they could have a separate name for touring bikes (despite Guzzi also making some sick sport bikes).
I can't imagine touring on a Ducati nowadays, it just doesn't sound right! I loved the Desmotre engine though... :-[
Quote from: DesmoTull on December 10, 2008, 04:56:46 PM
PM me. ;)
(sorry for the thread jack!) [beer]
FYI, not to continue the jack ... but ... Anyone interested in a super, duper clean SP that's all sorted out and ready to rock can't go wrong with Sean (DesmoTull)'s bike.
If I was in one of my legendary bike buying moods I'd have bought it 2 months ago ......
Adam
Quote from: Latinbalar on December 04, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
So what is Ducati's current version of the supersport, i don't like the Multi (sorry just does not appeal to me) and that sportclassic touring is too 80's for me. Is my hope a used ST? or is theresomething else on the horizon.
Supposively, the Sport Classics are the "replacement" for the SS. If you want an SS, buy a used SS. I used to own a '99 SS750F, and it was not very comfortable, but it was a lot of fun for the short time I owned it. I've heard that the pre-'99 models are more comfortable, but not as well handling. Plus, with the pre-'98 models, you can run across such potential issues as cracked frames, cracked swingarms, pulled/stripped head cylinder studs, and a couple of other things that I cannot remember right now.
What I would do is buy a used ST2 for $3000-$5000....
(http://desmodemon.com/geezer_glide/geezer_barn_close.jpg)
Pull the panniers off the bike and add some SBK clip-ons with Helibar adaptors....
(http://desmodemon.com/st2_heli.jpg)
Add a lower windshield.....
(http://desmodemon.com/st2_wind.jpg)
Then find a rear seat cowl.....
(http://desmodemon.com/ST2_4.jpg)
If you plan a trip, simply slap the panniers back on...
(http://desmodemon.com/st2_bags_1.jpg)
Either way, the ST is a very capable bike to have fun with....
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d32/Kramer_Krazy/ST4S_trackbig.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d32/Kramer_Krazy/Cidman.jpg)
You can even still have fun with the panniers on it (sorry for the crappy video quality)...
http://www.desmodemon.com/misc_pix/ST_drag.mov (http://www.desmodemon.com/misc_pix/ST_drag.mov)
Quote from: Desmo Demon on December 11, 2008, 05:56:01 AM
Plus, with the pre-'98 models, you can run across such potential issues as
cracked frames,
affected about 5% of bikes made between 94 and 96. ducati replaced the frames for free (you had to pay labor) even after warranty. the crack was at the yoke and is repairable by gusseting the yoke.
Quotecracked swingarms,
this was only on the aluminum swingarms and was due to over-torquing the swingarm pin pinch bolts. Ducati revised the torque and that was that.
Quotepulled/stripped head cylinder studs,
broken studs! very nasty. relatively cheap to buy but expensive to replace. any engine rebuild on the older 900ss should replace the stock bolts.
Quoteand a couple of other things that I cannot remember right now.
galley plugs not being staked properly (affects almost all 900 engines) and result in zero oil pressure if it backs out (you'll get metal in your oil first for about 10000 miles), crappy carb setup with super-long manifolds.
Honestly, I feel most of these problems represent the "old" Ducati mentality of building things. 90% of them disappeared when Ducati was bought by TPG.
i know of plenty of 900ss models (92-97) with zero problems and it's rare for these to cluster on one bike. my 900ss had the galley plugs back out a bit, so I got the engine rebuilt and the plugs staked properly. in the process i replaced all the bearings, put in high comp pistons, new studs, got the heads ported and flowed, short-manifold FCR carbs, got the frame gusseted, and a few other things.
damn thing wheelies in second gear and i still get about 40 mpg..
Quote from: Desmo Demon on December 11, 2008, 05:56:01 AM...I've heard that the pre-'99 models are ...not as well handling. Plus, with the pre-'98 models, you can run across ...potential issues as ...pulled/stripped head cylinder studs, and a couple of other things...
The handling change is due to a different length shock ('99+ are about 3/8" longer) -a simple change.
The head studs would crack but the threads are fine.
The aluminum swingarms could crack (not that frequently) -the steel ones had no problem.
The frames were more likely to crack than the swingarm (but very fixable if you TIG).
The aluminum oil passage plug in the crank could back out.
Single phase charging systems don't like neglect, and the regulators (when failed) would boil the battery dry.
...but my '97 SS is hands down my favorite bike.
If I had to keep just one, that would be it. [thumbsup]