Ducati Monster Forum

Ok.....I would appreciate input and pics here for those that have or used to have the Ex-box on their Rs's.  I currently am running the full carbon Arrows on my bike and want to change over to the Ex-box for cosmetic reasons because I like the open wheel look.  Any input on sound, quality, looks, durability, etc. would be awesome.  The searches I've done didn't give me enough info. or pics.  Thanks,

Lou 

Below was my original review of the Quat-D Ex-box; Enjoy

Well, after a few months of going back and forth trying to get past the look of the gigantic udder, I simply couldnt and i was left with no choice but to rid of it. Unfortunately, although I like the look and sound of the shorty Termi, it went bye bye along with the udder and it was time to shop for a replacement.

My criteria was, I want something compact that will not block the rear wheel, easy to install and sounds agressive. After a bit of research and even entertained the thought of fabricating my own shorty exhaust (too costly and no guaranteed result). The only choice left that fitted my criteria was the Quat-D Ex-box, so I went ahead and ordered one from the fine folks at Motowheels (thanks Martin and Brian)

Exhaust; The quality is very good, fit and finish was also good and it came with all the hardware you need for the install.  Whats in the box?  the exhaust, front header pipe, extra baffle, sticker, your invoice and some papers written in Italian.

Installation; No need to modify anything, no special tools needed or magic potions. Simple as removing the stock exhaust, shock mounts, bolts on each side of the engine case where you will insert the threaded rod to mount the Ex-box. Secure the exhaust, front header pipe (use a smaller clamp for this, the stock one is too big in diameter), re use the old gasket and you're done. I would strongly recommend having another set of hands to make it really easy. If you decided to get one and install it yourself, dont bother to look for any instructions, pictures or diagrams...it didnt come with any. But the good news is since it was a direct bolt on, even a drunk monkey can do it but do what I did, i called another drunk monkey and the install was a breeze. He actually did most of the work since I was summoned by the gf to help in the kitchen.

Sound; Between the shorty Termi, I would rate the Termi as 10 and the Ex-box 8.5. (10 being the loudest) I didnt mind sacrificing a bit of sound in exchange for a few extra weight saving since the gigantic udder weights a ton, not to mention an eye sore.  The shorty Termi had more of a rumble, the Ex-Box sounds more mechanical.

Looks; Personal preference, i like it. Thought about ceramic coating the Ex-box black but i like how the bottom half of the moto is silver or for the old folks, gray.

Performance; Can't tell if I gained any hp but the back firing was gone and it seemed to cure the low speed roughness. I rode almost 90 miles today and those two problems I had with the shorty Termi disappeared.

Side note:  Im using the exhaust in conjunction with a front 14t sprocket and DP open airbox.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcdBugerBBE

Awesome looking Monster Asado  [wine]  Guess options are open as you could do this (see photo) also can't see why you couldn't use an ST2/4 etc collector setup? I'll get a pic of mine soon and post what I mean. Options could endless as what does this "udder do???"

ok better cheak how to post a pic!!!! :-\

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...not sure what this has to do with the Ex-Box, but I just put one on my S4R.  My bike is an '05 with the desmoquattro motor  (not testastretta), but close enough to share an opinion.

I had the Termi slip-ons and Marving midpipe:
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Replaced with the Ex-Box:
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The Termis were a little louder, but I think the Ex-Box might produce a little more bass on my bike.  IMO, Asado's film clip is a bit misleading: all I heard was clutch rattle.  I'm running an open clutch cover too, but you can easily hear the exhaust note over the clutch plate rattling.  And when it's on the cam, it sounds awesome!   [evil]    I think the Ex-Box sounds great and I'm very happy with the swap.

Thanks asado and pompetta.  That's exactly what I'm looking for.  Just want pics and opinions on it.  Both bikes frikin look sweet.  I love the open wheel look.   Anyone else?  I might be selling my Arrows soon!

Lou

I hear you sickduc. I just sold my Full Arrow system for the same reason. I missed my Open Wheel look. I put my Udder back on.  [thumbsup]

not a 4v, but i love posting this pic...........

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A question for the box owners.

Has anyone put one on a scale to see how heavy/light it is?

After hearing them firsthand, and knowing what a unmuffled exhaust sounds like, there has got to be some serious packing/baffling inside one of those...  I'm still on the edge about making my own under engine exhaust box (out of Ti), or doing a really short set of megs on the side (problem will be noise).

I don't have an exact figure, but it weighs about the same as one of the stock cans on my M620.

Does anybody with an Ex-box equipped S*R* ride it hard enough to rebut a claim a mechanic made to me recently about them grounding out.

He said a customer had one but ran into cornering clearance issues. I'm suspecting he might have been confusing the Ex-box with a different exhaust but thought I'd ask the question nevertheless.

So, does the Ex-box touch down when the bike is cornered hard? Looks like it might stick out a bit further on the right side than the stock set-up.

Awesome paint job on the belt covers!!   [thumbsup]

There's little/no weight savings with the Ex-Box, but I have not weighed it.   I was day-dreaming about a Ti Ex-Box the other day...

I've only had mine on for about 200 miles, and it's winter here, so I haven't put it to the test.  Hopefully I'll do a track day in the Spring and I'll know then.  The rear-end of my bike is raised an inch or two, so that'll help a little. 

Wait wait...the box weighs as much as the udder AND The pipes?

Ti would be cool for sure.  I wonder if aluminum might work as well....

I'd say the Ex-Box weighs in somewhere between the udder + CF cans + S-pipes + bracket, and the Marving midpipe + CF cans + S-pipes + bracket.

Wouldn't Al go to shit quickly?

Oh, and another thing...the mounting tabs on the Ex-Box are not damped (no room for rubber grommets), so you feel more vibration through the footpegs.  At some point, I might cut off the existing mounting bracket and fab one up that allows for grommets.

I think the trick is going to be how to keep the stainless header pipes/exhaust pipes fitting tightly to the aluminum box.  Even still, the AL box isn't going to last a long time, thats a fact. 

I'l like to get my hands on a exbox for cheap, cut it open and see where all the weight is...?

you would have to drag the pegs hard before you have clearance issues with the ex box


i would have to disagree with this. although i have not compared the two on a scale, the stock udder alone feels about the same weight as my ex box.

I heard the same sort of things from a Ducati tech - you'll scrape it in turns and will smash it the first speedbump you ride over.  I am skeptical.....but now that boomtubes can be made with more baffles, I think I'll go with the boomtubes.

I love "ducati techs" that say things like that. 

According to his "logic", you'ld smash the deep sump on a speedbump as well, seeing as though it hangs down a smidge more than the ex-box. 

I don't see any posts of people complaining of a smashed sump.. ?
 

I felt pretty sure that the Ex-Box weighed more than the udder alone, however I didn't weigh it.  Perhaps I'll weigh both when I remove the Ex-Box to paint the horizontal header pipe.

Exactly.  If you don't like it style-wise, just say so, but don't feed me a line.....

as i said, just my perception.
but i am sure that it is less than the stock udder+pipes+cans [thumbsup]

On the right hand side, it's the end of the brake pedal that decks first. (I've seen them bent back).

Absolutely!  I compared the weight to the Termi S-pipes + CF cans + udder.   :)

I guess if the weight is the same as the stock system, it must be better that it's all down low in one spot for sure wouldn't it?
 Does this Ex-box come with a power commander/efi unit?   They are just as expensive or should say they are at the upper level in price?

Yeah, I think it's better to have the mass down low. 

No, the Ex-Box does not come with any PC or EFI unit, just the steel box and pipes.   ;D

As far as price, I'd say they're about average for aftermarket exhaust.

When you installed the Ex-Box were you running the stock ECU and if so did the bike run properly?

from what i understand, the exbox is pretty much the only "full system" that doesn't "require" ecu tuning.
you can run it with your stock setup fine (at least on the s2r800)

Confirmed on the S4RS as well.

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Although you don't need to make changes to the fueling, there are some options that can improve the "rideability" for as little as $80 all the way up to $1200.

Here is a quick summary:

FATDUC Manipulator (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=6857&showDetail=1&categoryID=1104|ST%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts") :Works on closed loop systems with a single O2 sensor like the 695, S2R1000, S4R and S4RS. This modifies the O2 sensor signal to the ECU to smooth out throttle response and eliminate popping. You will have to play with it a little but it solves most minor issues when installing a new exhaust. It is not designed to make changes in the mapping.
 
Power Commander (PC3):
Modifies the signal to the ECU so you can creste your own maps. Available for the 620ie (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=3727&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts"), M1000 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=3726&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts"), M900 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=3820&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts"), [Monster S4 01-06, S4R -06, ST3/4 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=3728&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts"), [S2R 800[ (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=3819&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts") .
 
Rapid Bike (RB3):
Also a piggyback system like the PC3, but it allows for a ignition mods and has an O2 sensor option so you can retain the closed loop system on some bikes. These are available for bikes such as RAPID BIKE 3: S2R1000 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=6236&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts"), [RAPID BIKE 3: S4R 03-06 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=6239&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts"), RAPID BIKE 3: S4R 07-08 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=6238&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts") .
 
Ducati ECU remap kit (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=6854&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts") : this basically installs a Ducati Performance type map on your existing ECU. It is reversible. Available for Monster S4R /S2R/1000. Maps will soon be available for the 696, 1100 and other new bikes.

 
NEMESIS-2 Type 2 ECU: HM, M695, S4RS, SC (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine&productID=6753&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079|Monster%20Engine%20Fuel%20%26%20Air&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts"): This is a completely new programable ECU with a host of features designed for high performance.
You can download a base map or create your own map.

Ducati Performance ECU: This replaces the ECU with a remapped one that works for most exhaust systems. It is not programable.
 
-M