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Title: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: mitt on December 08, 2008, 01:53:18 PM Is this the end?
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20081208/FREE/812089986 (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20081208/FREE/812089986) Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: derby on December 08, 2008, 06:03:26 PM well, honda already quit, but i don't see how they expect ferrari, toyota, renault, and mercedes to stick around...
is it the end? no, but it definitely won't be the formula 1 of old. the true constructors will be gone. Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: zooom on December 08, 2008, 07:31:27 PM and Audi has stepped down from running in LeMan's.....it is a money thing....or so it seems...
Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: Speeddog on December 08, 2008, 10:31:45 PM I can see Audi's viewpoint, they've kicked ass for years, so now with the economy tight, what's the point?
It's also an issue with money in F1, but it's motivated by Max and Bernie's greed, not 'for the good of the sport'. IMO. YMMV. Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: Big Troubled Bear on December 09, 2008, 05:54:20 AM At last I don`t have to look like I am interested in F1 anymore >:(
They have made the decision for me. Thanx Max [bang] Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: tufty on December 09, 2008, 01:27:24 PM That's awesome, a spectacularly bad decision to cap a string of spectacularly bad decisions. :'(
I may as well go back to watching Formula Ford. Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: SP3 on December 09, 2008, 02:24:26 PM I have not paid much attention at all to F1 in the last five years or so but this is the final straw. Let's just hope that the factory run teams just walk away. They will be only one step away from A1GP with this (latest) idiotic idea so why bother? Sadly, I don't think they will - they'll follow blindly. Next up, MotoGP.
Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: Slag on December 09, 2008, 02:27:05 PM Que Taps, and salute the death of F1 :'(
Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: superjohn on December 09, 2008, 06:20:04 PM They need to abandon KERS. At least for now. Lock the specs for 2009 through 2011 and let the teams ride out a couple of seasons without having to make an all new car because of new technical regulations.
I don't mind Cosworth making an engine for teams to buy if they would like, but I think it's wrong to force the other teams to capitulate and use it or make their own version. To do that and not allow customer cars in F1 is a sham. Maybe if there were more teams like Williams, Force India, or Red Bull who weren't manufacturer supported, I'd be more amendable to the idea, but as it stands, it'll spell the death of F1 as it currently exists. To expect Ferrari, Mercedes, Toyota, and BMW to abandon their own efforts is ludicrous. Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: SP3 on December 10, 2008, 02:41:36 AM http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/172578-0/mercedes_joins_ferrari_in_call_for_kers_ban.html (http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/172578-0/mercedes_joins_ferrari_in_call_for_kers_ban.html)
Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: swampduc on December 10, 2008, 07:59:32 PM Sad. In spite of recent changes, I still really enjoyed F1, but this is the final straw for me. Might as well be watching Champ cars - oh, wait, that circuit FAILED! What's next, damn oval tracks?
Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: zooom on December 11, 2008, 04:28:15 AM What's next, damn oval tracks? that'd be a blessing in some ways! Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: swampduc on December 11, 2008, 07:21:14 AM that'd be a blessing in some ways! In some ways, but not really to my taste. Title: Re: F! - spec engines and gearboxes for 2010 Post by: geoffduc on January 01, 2009, 12:47:32 PM [quote author=Speeddog link=topic=16149.msg282068#msg282068 date=122880430
It's also an issue with money in F1, but it's motivated by Max and Bernie's greed, not 'for the good of the sport'. IMO. YMMV. [/quote] Speeddog you are so right. I have spectated at F1 GPs since the early 1960's and some of the best racing was in the era when independent teams used cosworth engines and hewland gearbox's. Two of those teams had mad Max (march) and greedy Bernie (brabham) on their management teams at the time and it was definitely a sport to be watched but now it's a circus with the two greedy clowns runnng the show :'( :'( |