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Moto Board => Racing & Trackdays => Topic started by: gm2 on December 09, 2008, 01:47:21 PM



Title: Video: '09 R1
Post by: gm2 on December 09, 2008, 01:47:21 PM
i've seen/heard several clips that tried to demonstrate the sound of this new uneven firing order R1
...this one makes me want one (ok, more than i already did)

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35140 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35140)


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: desmoquattro on December 09, 2008, 01:53:13 PM
That thing sounds sick...like it only has two cylinders. Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to just put a twin in there? ;D


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: superjohn on December 09, 2008, 06:22:02 PM
It's a very interesting piece of kit and I actually really like it. If I were in the market for a sport bike, I'd certainly consider the new R1.







......Rossi's M1 still sounds better though ;D


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: darylbowden on December 09, 2008, 08:40:26 PM
Seriously, I have no interest in 1000s, but that makes my pants go crazy.


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: Speeddog on December 10, 2008, 01:47:06 AM
Seriously, I have no interest in 1000s, but that makes my pants go crazy.

Would your pants go into orbit if they made an R6 with a 90-degree crank?

I'd bet money that the '10 R6 will be just that.


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: gm2 on December 10, 2008, 06:28:08 AM
Would your pants go into orbit if they made an R6 with a 90-degree crank?

I'd bet money that the '10 R6 will be just that.

are they taking deposits?!  yamaha, take my money!!     ;)


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: tufty on December 10, 2008, 06:39:25 AM
I'm with Daryl, it makes my pants feel funny.

I'd get one for the track if I wasn't deep down scared of 1000cc bikes. [bow_down]


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: GregP on December 10, 2008, 05:07:40 PM
What is the torque curve like with the big bang cycle?
More down low grunt or is it just a twin sound?

Regardless, it's bad ass!!


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: Speeddog on December 10, 2008, 05:13:34 PM
Torque curve shouldn't be much different from a conventional crank setup, other than it may not be possible to get the exhaust header to work quite as well.


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: gm2 on December 10, 2008, 05:19:37 PM
they say it gives the engine a lot more mid-range while still keeping the I-4 top end.

i dunno.  but that's what they say.


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: Speeddog on December 10, 2008, 05:24:27 PM
Is that the riders saying that, or the dyno guys?

'Cause that's kind of a free lunch deal...


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: gm2 on December 10, 2008, 05:35:32 PM
i've read it about the GP bike and now this bike.  but it's all "they"... so.  i dunno.   =)


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: derby on December 10, 2008, 05:49:09 PM
i'm not entirely sure it really affects the power/torque in the way you'd think, more the delivery/power pulses.

it sounds like somebody jetted it really fat in the middle.  ;D

here's the original article about this technology in last years' m1:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2007/Dec/071217b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2007/Dec/071217b.htm)



Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: Speeddog on December 10, 2008, 06:18:48 PM
That's a very interesting article, thanks, Derb.

Gonna have to think about that for a while.


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: derby on December 10, 2008, 06:37:04 PM
That's a very interesting article, thanks, Derb.

Gonna have to think about that for a while.

some eye candy for ya, too:

(http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/08ymr1/crank.jpg)


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: androgynous on December 11, 2008, 05:07:42 PM
omg i think i just jizzed in my pants  [bow_down]

was considering a 1198 but i don't want to deal with the valve adj now
the new r1 just went to the top of my list of bikes to buy
i can't Waite to test ride this beast  [moto]


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: zooom on December 12, 2008, 04:59:55 AM
was considering a 1198 but i don't want to deal with the valve adj now
 

the valve adjustment interval isn't that bad on the new generation Ducati motors...granted that it isn't simple and is more often than the current japanese offerings...but you have to consider that there is a whole new ball of wax of possible issues that dealers may run into with this new R1...I say let them shake it down for a year and let the bugs be found and worked out.


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: androgynous on December 12, 2008, 11:36:00 AM
the valve adjustment interval isn't that bad on the new generation Ducati motors...granted that it isn't simple and is more often than the current japanese offerings...but you have to consider that there is a whole new ball of wax of possible issues that dealers may run into with this new R1...I say let them shake it down for a year and let the bugs be found and worked out.

good point that's actually why i wanted to waite for the 1198 because i know that early ducati's will have electrical prob

but i guess waiting four year to purchase a new bike is makeing me want to jump on the the latest and greatest

the new r1 sound's so much like the M1 with the r1  screaming up top
and since i can't afford the d16rr I'm looking for the next best mogp derived machine
fingers crossed


Title: Re: Video: '09 R1
Post by: mitt on December 13, 2008, 07:19:57 AM
Derby's link is a great tech piece for enginerds types. 

Basically the perfectly balanced crank in in-line fours create so much inertial momentum at high rpms, that the rider can't tell what is engine reaction from throttle inputs versus natural crank inertia.  The out of balance cranks, like they are running now, redistribute the output felt to be more from throttle and less inertia since they loose some inertia being out of balance.

I would wager a bet that Ducati also knew of this, but kept on with the big-bang tire story until one of the balanced teams figured it out to not let any tricks out of the bag. 

mitt


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