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Title: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: gmart on December 30, 2008, 04:11:24 PM
anyone have any idea's for a color code for powder coating that is close to Ducati red?
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: red baron on December 30, 2008, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: gmart on December 30, 2008, 04:11:24 PM
anyone have any idea's for a color code for powder coating that is close to Ducati red?

what brand of powder?
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on December 30, 2008, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: trouble on December 30, 2008, 06:55:46 PM
what brand of powder?
Sure...

get technical.   :P
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: MotoCreations on December 30, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
Talk with your local powdercoater and see if he has a good working relationship with the manufacturer.  I've brought painted color panels into a shop before and they send to the parent company (supplier) to do some spectragraphic analysis to match the color.  Last time it was a $45 charge to match and custom mix the powder to get a correct color and gloss factor.  Most people don't know that this option exists -- and most shops refuse to do because it is a hassle to make happen for yourself.  Thus why you find a good shop and get a good working relationship with them.
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: Desmostro on December 30, 2008, 10:23:30 PM
Anyone ever just call Ducati N A?

I'd love to know if you find out - post it please.
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: Raux on December 30, 2008, 11:52:07 PM
The Color code for the ducati red is in the manual. it gives a PPG color. sorry, on the wrong computer and don't have it in front of me.
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on December 31, 2008, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: Raux on December 30, 2008, 11:52:07 PM
The Color code for the ducati red is in the manual. it gives a PPG color. sorry, on the wrong computer and don't have it in front of me.

Have you ever tried to buy that color from PPG in the States?
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: Raux on December 31, 2008, 03:12:41 PM
From your answer i would say it's hard.

should i try to find you a supplier here in germany?

Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on December 31, 2008, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: Raux on December 31, 2008, 03:12:41 PM
From your answer i would say it's hard.

should i try to find you a supplier here in germany?


The PPG color shouldn't be a problem in  Germany.

The PPG color code is from a system more widely used in Europe. They call it the 'Global' system here.

Whether anyone makes a matching powder...

is classified...

no one knows. ;)
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: Speeddog on December 31, 2008, 04:42:34 PM
Tiger Drilac is good powder.

Most powder coaters will have 'paint chip' samples to show you.
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: 'diction on December 31, 2008, 04:50:41 PM
just ask [moto]
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on December 31, 2008, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: hollywood dolly on December 31, 2008, 04:50:41 PM
just ask [moto]

You're done.
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: red baron on January 01, 2009, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on December 30, 2008, 07:12:40 PM
Sure...

get technical.   :P

;D
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: gmart on January 04, 2009, 08:09:42 AM
Powder coat colors do seem to be a mystery. Not sure why Ducati doesn't release the colors/ brand they use.  I found someone who has a relationship with a powder coat supplier who is going to do some reserach this coming week when the factory opens back up. I'll post back any info he comes up with...

The color chips just don't cut it, as most know the chips colors just don't seem to come out the same on a large scale.
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on January 04, 2009, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: gmart on January 04, 2009, 08:09:42 AM
<snip>

The color chips just don't cut it, as most know the chips colors just don't seem to come out the same on a large scale.
The reasons for that could fill an entire thread. ;)
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: dbran1949 on January 05, 2009, 02:47:26 PM
unfortunately the PPG codes are proprietary for Ducati. Sure you can get the code but there is no way to determine how to mix the color
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on January 05, 2009, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: dbran1949 on January 05, 2009, 02:47:26 PM
unfortunately the PPG codes are proprietary for Ducati. Sure you can get the code but there is no way to determine how to mix the color
That's not entirely accurate.
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: Speeddog on January 05, 2009, 07:25:16 PM
How many different reds are there?

'Cause my '02 S4 is definitely not the same red as my girl's S2R800.

Reminds me of a customer coming in with a Yellow SBK needing some bodywork.
Customer was real particular that the new paint could be done to match.
Painter asked him which panel he wanted the new paint matched to, 'cause all of 'em were different.  [laugh]
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on January 05, 2009, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on January 05, 2009, 07:25:16 PM
How many different reds are there?

'Cause my '02 S4 is definitely not the same red as my girl's S2R800.

Reminds me of a customer coming in with a Yellow SBK needing some bodywork.
Customer was real particular that the new paint could be done to match.
Painter asked him which panel he wanted the new paint matched to, 'cause all of 'em were different.  [laugh]
No two are alike... ;)
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: Howie on January 05, 2009, 08:50:40 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on January 05, 2009, 07:25:16 PM
How many different reds are there?

'Cause my '02 S4 is definitely not the same red as my girl's S2R800.

Reminds me of a customer coming in with a Yellow SBK needing some bodywork.
Customer was real particular that the new paint could be done to match.
Painter asked him which panel he wanted the new paint matched to, 'cause all of 'em were different.  [laugh]

Dunno, but there are four different shades of VW Passat Sahara Beige Metallic with the same paint code[bang]
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: dbran1949 on January 05, 2009, 08:51:28 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on January 05, 2009, 06:31:19 PM
That's not entirely accurate.

ducpainter
I know you know what you are talking about, everyone here is impressed with your work. Care to elaborate?

BTW, not that I am comparing my skill set to yours, but just so you know I am not completely in the dark about paint. Back in the Navy I would paint bikes for extra cash to supplement my $138 a month income. Of course it was all Lacquer paint back then. Made enough to buy a nice DeVilbiss gun and an air-brush. Had access to the tire shop, even rigged some fittings to adapt a regulator so I could use the compressed nitrogen bottles to paint with (nice and dry)
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on January 05, 2009, 11:24:09 PM
Powdercoating colors are a biy of a mistery to me, I have a good PC shop that always gives me the results I need. [thumbsup]

Usually I paint the frames of bikes for the simple reason that I can do it myself and getting the color right is not to difficult.
Reason number 2 is that if the frame starts cracking the paint will show it up sooner and you will be able to do something about it, with powder the frame will have cracked clean of by the time the powder shows the crack :-X
Title: Re: Red Powder coat color codes?
Post by: ducpainter on January 06, 2009, 05:11:56 AM
Quote from: dbran1949 on January 05, 2009, 08:51:28 PM
ducpainter
I know you know what you are talking about, everyone here is impressed with your work. Care to elaborate?

BTW, not that I am comparing my skill set to yours, but just so you know I am not completely in the dark about paint. Back in the Navy I would paint bikes for extra cash to supplement my $138 a month income. Of course it was all Lacquer paint back then. Made enough to buy a nice DeVilbiss gun and an air-brush. Had access to the tire shop, even rigged some fittings to adapt a regulator so I could use the compressed nitrogen bottles to paint with (nice and dry)
PPG makes different paint for different parts of the world. European manufacturers have some different technology and they need to compete in those markets

The code that Ducati provides is for the system used in Europe. They call it "Global" in the US. The system is available here, but not very widely used. That's why when you go into a PBE store that sells PPG they look at you like you have 3 heads when you give them the code.

The other problem is that PPG in all their corporate wisdom never developed formulas for their other systems that are used here so there is no formula available in say Deltron to match the "global" formula.

HTH