Ducati Monster Forum

Guys, was riding along the other day and started wondering if there were any other upgrades i could do to my S2R 1000 that would give it some extra kick....

Performance mods already on the bike:
Headers/exhaust(No baffles)
Modified air filter box.
K&N Air filter
DP ECU
Dyno tuned
PC3 management system

Don't say get a bigger monster, as i love this one and plan on never getting rid of it. Looking to buy a 848 or similar in next couple of years which will give me the stupid speed. Just looking for a bit more nasty in the monster.

Don't get me wrong, love my bike, just wondering....  [moto]

Nice list!

seriously - there isn't that much more is there?

some folks in WA were turbo charging them weren't they? It was in the magazine we all looked at 4 months ago about Italian bikes.

The hunt for more power is un-economical in my opinion. Buying the 848 is a quicker and cheaper option and you can tell your wife I said so in the ensuing argument too!

having said that...what the hell would I know....I'm still wet behind the ears!  ;D

I've got a few extras on my "wish list":

Smaller front or larger rear sprocket
High compression pistons
Lightened flywheel

But once you start going past what you have already done, the power gains start getting smaller for the amount of money you put in. :-\

Yeah, the un-economical isn't a problem. Didn't buy the Duc to save money!

Sprocket is a good idea. Don't want to start playing with pistone and such- in my opinion that just leads to issues. Forgot about the sprocket.

Anyone with any comments on a 14tooth sprocket on an S2R 1000?

With the 14t front you'll lose some off the top end (10-15kmph) for more grunt down low.
Got a 14t front on mine and like it. Easier ride in the city, and I don't miss the kmph off the top speed.

NCR are getting 130HP out of the 2 valve 1000/1100, but the cost puts it out of reach of most people.

Hugh I think you just need to slow down.

Two jobs, three bikes (I assume that's the plan) and a need for more speed/power.

Relax, take it easy and enjoy the ride  ;D [moto] ;D

if you can find some ST2 cams they work well, dialed in of course. i think V2 in WA make some good copies.


paul.

putting a14 tooth sprocket shortens your torque curve

which means she goes like a bat out of hell at the start - and that 0 to 60 is where the fun is....unless your Brendan obviously! ( ;D)

Hey Hugh I put a 14 tooth on the S4RT and love it.
~ City riding much more enjoyable..
~ A LOT punchier off the line..
~ Great in the twisties when you power out of a corner.. Fun even..
~ Don't know about km/hr off the top end as I haven't reached it yet.. So no loss there..
~ Cheapest mod around for the best value..

And if you don't like it, change it back..... [thumbsup]

hi big the only trouble with the s2r is when you hit 7 grand thats it it dosent make any more power unlike the s4r thats when you start getting all your power , but your right about city driving it does make life easier but for the  twisties  i like being able to stay in the same gear and and rock and roll baby  [laugh]

Hey Bazz very true re the 7Gs.......

But I must admit that with the DP ECU my power band starts at 5Gs and goes through to 8Gs.......  ;D

Standard ECU power band really only kicked in at 6.5 Gs ish........  :'(

At least that's how it felt. Dyno charts and feel can be two completely different things some times.....  [roll]

[Thread jack over Hugh]

thats a big improvement  on the standard ecu ,  [bow_down]

hey yellow meanie want to have a play through the weld hill and have a milk shake at the pub in the paddock to morrow  [beer]

http://www.mslmagazine.co.uk/features/ducati_monster.htm (http://www.mslmagazine.co.uk/features/ducati_monster.htm)


Mwoooaaaaarrrrgggghhhaaahhhaaahhaaaa. [evil]

I reckon this'd be fun.  [thumbsup]

 [leo] If you can catch me Orificer I will then pull over.  ;D [cheeky]

yeah, the vee-twin is the WA mob I was talking about...

and the problem with your offer is that with White Lion being an officer - it will be a very short chase!

Be a shitload of fun though !!  [thumbsup]

I wonder where they fit the lights and radio gear on the Duc??  [leo]  ;D

Sorry Bazz, I'm at sea, just passing Cairns actually.
I'll be back at the end of the month. See you then [beer]

Well, that looks like one very stock Monster ...












... except for the Supercharger of course  [roll]

Yeah phuggin' sneaky aint it??   [thumbsup]  [evil]

Just a very small sticker somewhere telling the story ;D .

Like the bloke at work that has a supercharger fitted to his Holden Coupe.  [evil]

I love this thread...a copper trying to hop up his bike [leo]

So if you got lit up on the highway, Hugh, would you stop and ask for a professional courtesy, or drop the hammer? [evil]

BTW - I tend to agree with the folks who say that more power is uneconomical. Put your money into suspension, and maybe a 14-tooth front sprocket. Oh, and a nice aftermarket clutch slave.

You forgot one:
~ Massive wheelies in first and second gears

You know i can't answer that Desmo  ;)

Well 20k service is coming up, so maybe a 14t is on the cards, as well as the fresh dyno tune....

yeah and some ST2 / DP / Vee two / whatever cams while you're there.

better still, wait till brad black opens his shop, take a week off, ride the bike down, let brad dial em in and REALLY enjoy the trip back!
 

... and since you're spending so much money ... some lighter wheels would, apparently, improve things a fair bit

agreed, good pickup Betty.

some BST carbon wheels are in order...

yeah, and from a money point of view....the BST are probably your most effective bang per buck AND will depreciate less than anything else (they get sold VERY occasionally in the US pages / ebay and they get ridiculous money!

Hey hey hey, i think we'll stop this cheek right now!! No way i'm buying carbon wheels for the monster. Maybe for the 848 when i buy it  [cheeky]


Front sprocket is the level i'm looking at. How much are cams though?

I'd look at suspension.
I was pleased with the difference between the standard and Ohlins rear suspension about 18 months ago and more recently quite amazed at the difference changing the spring to suiit my weight. Also swapping over the front springs from progressive to something more constant has had a majour impact. The bike now corners like it's on rails.  :) 

Hey Lion

I just bought some BST Carbon Wheels and the weight saving is huge instant power to weight adjustment

eg:

OEM front for the Desmo is 9kg including roters

Front tire pirelli only 3.8kg
BST front Wheel with roters 2.1kg aprox

OEM rear wheel and tyre 14.8kg

Rear tire only 5.9kg
BST rear wheel with roters and sprocket 3.2 kg aprox

the gyro effects are reduced dramaticaly makes for good power to weight

estimated weight reduction to my desmo is 25kg from the stock 171kg with removal of the road gear .

Power to weight is the answer my friend not more power ,just look at my monster,nothing done to the engine just pipes ,ecu , open air box and weight reduction aprox 165kg with 136hp dose the job on the track against a 194 hp crapasaki neck and neck down the straight .cant imagin what it would go like with BST's .The Ducati OEM front wheel 11.8kg rear 10.6 kg

all good Vince, but we all dont have the mullar like you do(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_15_5v.gif)

 i was gunna sugest going on a crash diet , thats why jukie flys  [thumbsup] [laugh]

i give you some tips, every thing in moderation

Not much mullar Jukie just a hard worker  [thumbsup]

sure sure your a hard working doing what?

*cough* ... monster forum ... *cough*

I have a special elicser for that cough of your Betty ,Made from special Juices extracted from Mohegan tribe virgins  ;D

Known to work its best right from the source  [cheeky]

i have also heard of a good one for girls, but im keeping it a secret

can i get  a 44 gallon drum of it please pretty please [cheeky]

well its something you dont buy, but it is something you give. thread jacking over sorry Hugh

But it attracts rampant Moose from the Mohecan area.  [laugh] ;D

I think I saw a movie about this at some time?? ;) [cheeky]

yep, vee two have built a s/c s2r. since cathcart rode that one, its had a few changes. but the first couple of kits got sent to europe just before crissy for trial. Its aimed at the euro market, thats why it has the standard exhaust ect.
Its a hoot to ride, makes power similar to a 4V'er... higher in the rev range. I've riden it heaps, no dramas keeping up to 4Ver's until the high end!  :)
I've suggested to the boss that we have to put some open pipes on it to see what it does! hopefully that'll happen one day! :)
I think its planned to be sold around the 6 grand mark, but not entirely sure. I'm also thinkin (hey!! I'm not the sales guy, I'm the machinist!) thats not bad bang for buck....  we fitted a big bore, cams and hi comp pistons to an s2r for similar money and it didn't make nowhere near the hp of the S/Ced one thats got standard zorsts.

again, i'm not the sales guy, but veetwo have performance cams for the s2r, I think they're around $800

 [beer]

Hi monsta,

I've been watching this s/c with interest. I have a M1000DS.S and have been wondering if it would be able to be fitted. AFAIK it is a similar engine (Although, I guess the swingarm mount may be different because of the double sided swingarm on mine as compared to a single sided on the s2r).
I'd be interested to know.

Cheers,

G

I couldn't be sure. It'll fit the motor, but the plenum is clamped to the frame and the pulley sticks out the side the frame. So if the frame is different it wont fit and ducati have changed the frames on monster a few times. Of course, it could be fitted if it was different but it would be a one off job and would cost more than just a bolt on kit. The same supercharger unit has been fitted to lots of other bikes including a 996 the 999 squalo heaps of harleys and you should see the hypermotard!  :o  cant wait to ride that!

Hey White, I've been doing wheel research....you can buy wheels for your s2r and they will go onto the 848 when you buy it...so no money lost. BST of forged Marchesini's!!!!!

go buy !  [popcorn]

I recently rode an S2R1K with HM racing cams on it for a couple of thousand miles (including the Dragon) and I can tell you it makes a night and day difference. My regular S2R1K felt like a pid afterwards. Butt dyno says a 10 hp gain. When I got back I asked the head mechanic at ducati Nola and he quoted me 700 bucks for labor including cutting the valve seats and doing the heads.

Where is the "Lion" BTW?? Hope all is ok? Anybody??  ??? [leo]

Brad? What's your opinion on this oh master of the dyno?

it sort of depends how much you want to spend trying to turn it into something it's not really.  cam kit is about $1100 locally from memory, then you need to tune it and i've been told that most of them end up with a midrange loss of some sort, which may be overcome with hi comps or a big bore kit and it just keeps going from there.

not trying to put you off, but you need to really decide what you want to do - ie, how much you want to spend.  and we can't put a s4rs motor into it easily.