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Title: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: erik822 on January 08, 2009, 02:22:15 PM
Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle? Evoluzione sells a clutch hub stabilizer and I was curious if anyone knows whether or not this quiets the dry clutch rattle.


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: JEFF_H on January 08, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
i wouldnt think so...
the rattle is caused by the gap between the teeth on the plates and basket.
i think the stabilizer's function is to ensure an even engagement of the plates in/out.

the fix for a loud clutch is an aftermarket plate/basket combo that is machined tighter together....(slippers too)
that or ear plugs  ;)


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: herm on January 08, 2009, 06:53:06 PM
Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle? Evoluzione sells a clutch hub stabilizer and I was curious if anyone knows whether or not this quiets the dry clutch rattle.

sacrilege! :o


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: ProTeal55 on January 08, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle? Evoluzione sells a clutch hub stabilizer and I was curious if anyone knows whether or not this quiets the dry clutch rattle.
Just put a stock cover on and you wont hear the clutch.
Why you would want to do this I do not know...


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: hypurone on January 09, 2009, 07:05:35 AM
i wouldnt think so...
the rattle is caused by the gap between the teeth on the plates and basket.
i think the stabilizer's function is to ensure an even engagement of the plates in/out.
the fix for a loud clutch is an aftermarket plate/basket combo that is machined tighter together....(slippers too)
that or ear plugs  ;)

That and the type of material of both. Aluminum plates and baskets (inc titanium) are usually quieter.

I can attest to a 48t slipper being quieter. AFTER about 200 miles of break in.... Even my wingman noticed the quieter yet more distinct sound it makes. I wasn't a huge fan of the death-rattle/tambourine tango. This one strikes a nice balance.


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: erik822 on January 09, 2009, 08:25:42 AM
That and the type of material of both. Aluminum plates and baskets (inc titanium) are usually quieter.

I can attest to a 48t slipper being quieter. AFTER about 200 miles of break in.... Even my wingman noticed the quieter yet more distinct sound it makes. I wasn't a huge fan of the death-rattle/tambourine tango. This one strikes a nice balance.


Where did you get the 48t slipper and how much was it?


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: Smokescreen on January 09, 2009, 08:50:56 AM
I remember the first time MonsterGrrl rode her M900(BuckinDucky)...  One circuit around the block and she pulls in all freaked out to let me know that something is really wrong with the bike!  It sounds like a tamburine is being battered against the right side!!

I told her it's a Ducati, if it sounds like it's breaking, it's still running!!!  Since then she's learned to love that distinctive dry clutch sound, although she prefers a closed carbon cover on hers to limit the noise to a level a little quietr than her LV pipes.

I can't imagine wanting to get rid of this sound on mine.  I particularly like the tinkling sound Blue (my S2R1K) makes when I'm pushing her into or out of the garage with the motor off.  It's so calming!  And then I fire her up, and she frantic again.  LOVE


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: JEFF_H on January 09, 2009, 09:50:31 AM
Ok, since somebody mentioned it.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYnAeKiTq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYnAeKiTq4)

LOL


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: hypurone on January 09, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
Where did you get the 48t slipper and how much was it?

I got my Yoyodyne thru Chris @ Motorcyclewishlist.com. Great guy, great price. I cannot state the price in open court. He said, just have em call me and I will get em a good deal...  [thumbsup]


<----------------  He is a sponsor down in the list to the left.


Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: Triple J on January 09, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
If you want to quiet the dry clutch rattle, just remove your clutch plates in order, then take the outermost friction plate and install it in the basket first (before the 2 steel plates), then build your clutch back up like normal.

The first friction plate you installed will wedge itself in the slots of the clutch basket, preventing the plates from banging back and forth. Your clutch will be quiet when the bike is in neutral with the clutch disengaged because the plates aren't allowed to bang back and forth. When you pull in the clutch, it will still make the same scraping noise as before since the pressure has been released (the dry clutch noise that sounds great IMO...I'm not as fond of the banging noise in neutral).

Your clutch should also last longer because the plates aren't banging back and forth, notching your basket and/or thinning the tabs on the plates.

The theoretical downside to this solution is it may place a lateral load on the bearing in the engine case. However, the amount of load, and whether the bearing can take it, are unknown as far as I know. I've been running this mod. for about 6K miles without an issue, and I've been told it is a fairly common mod. for ST owners who log thousands of miles without any issue.

I'm just some doofus on the internet though...so take it for what it's worth!  ;D  Personally I like the mod...and yes I know most Duc owners think I'm crazy...whateva!!



Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: erik822 on January 10, 2009, 09:23:38 AM
If you want to quiet the dry clutch rattle, just remove your clutch plates in order, then take the outermost friction plate and install it in the basket first (before the 2 steel plates), then build your clutch back up like normal.

The first friction plate you installed will wedge itself in the slots of the clutch basket, preventing the plates from banging back and forth. Your clutch will be quiet when the bike is in neutral with the clutch disengaged because the plates aren't allowed to bang back and forth. When you pull in the clutch, it will still make the same scraping noise as before since the pressure has been released (the dry clutch noise that sounds great IMO...I'm not as fond of the banging noise in neutral).

Your clutch should also last longer because the plates aren't banging back and forth, notching your basket and/or thinning the tabs on the plates.

The theoretical downside to this solution is it may place a lateral load on the bearing in the engine case. However, the amount of load, and whether the bearing can take it, are unknown as far as I know. I've been running this mod. for about 6K miles without an issue, and I've been told it is a fairly common mod. for ST owners who log thousands of miles without any issue.

I'm just some doofus on the internet though...so take it for what it's worth!  ;D  Personally I like the mod...and yes I know most Duc owners think I'm crazy...whateva!!



I'm confused (which is actually pretty easily done). So what's the final order of the plates in your current clutch? Friction, steel, steel, friction, steel, friction, steel, etc? And you have the first friction plate rubbing against the actual clutch basket?



Title: Re: Do clutch hub stabilizers quiet the dry clutch rattle?
Post by: Triple J on January 10, 2009, 11:04:38 AM
I'm confused (which is actually pretty easily done). So what's the final order of the plates in your current clutch? Friction, steel, steel, friction, steel, friction, steel, etc? And you have the first friction plate rubbing against the actual clutch basket?



Correct.

Here's a link which describes the method in more detail. The difference for me is when I tried to put the extra 1 or 2 friction plates in before the steel plates (as described in the link) my clutch pack ended up being too thick. So I just put the outermost friction plate there instead so the pack height stayed the same.

http://wolfcentral.net/multistrada/quietyerclutch.htm (http://wolfcentral.net/multistrada/quietyerclutch.htm)


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