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I went to my local Ducati dealer to get a price quote for a full Termi system for my 2008 S2R 1000.  The out-the-door price including a PC III to supplement the DP ECU, custom map, labor and tax is $3,689.00 :o.  This includes a $345.00 labor discount if I buy everything at once in a package deal.

Itemized, the cans with DP ECU and airbox are $1973 plus another $607 for the header pipe.  The PC III is $350 with another $300 for a custom map.  This seems a little high to me.  Does this sound like a reasonable quote or should I try to negotiate? 

I dont own an S2R, but why do people spend so much coin for Termi's??

I direct you to this post and thread:

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=14798.msg256609#msg256609 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=14798.msg256609#msg256609)

I don't have an S2R 1000 so I don't know for sure, but that seems high. The same thing for my 848 was $1,500 installed (no map). All the other prices seem normal.

If you can, I would suggest you find someone who has put on a full arrow system with the Fatduc manipulator like I did.

I have had mine on for almost a year and have no complaints, rather just the opposite, it works very nice. Only catch is if you go CF, you  have to order the db killers, the Ti system comes with db killers. Price from desmotimes is $1535 for the exhaust and $80 for the O2 manipulator. With the money you save, you could buy a bunch of other stuff!!!

It takes a little bit of time to install the exhaust, biggest deal is getting the springs on the cans. I ended up making my own spring puller. Tuning wise, plug n play with the manipulator, just fiddle with it working your way rich or lean until you decide you are happy.

maybe i'm a being a noob, but i thought the point of the full termi WITH the DP ecu was to not have to have the PCIII and custom mapping.

why bother getting the termi if you are getting the PCIII ???

I agree Raux--that didn't sound right to me either.  I asked if the PC III was necessary since the stock ECU was being replaced by the DP unit, and the sales rep said "it works better if you mate the PC III with the DP ECU and have it custom mapped."  I told him i would check into that as it didn't sound right.

Sounds waayy too high to me.. I've got a s4rs full system and paid somewhere around <2400 for the system, etc and install. Later I took the bike to a well known dyno guy and paid 500 for the pcIII and a custom map for my bike.. I'm positive you can find a cheaper place


for just the full system, I'd agree that the pcIII and custom map isnt necessary since it comes with the dp ecu (although a custom map for YOUR bike doesnt hurt since even stock bikes can benefit from one) but if you do other mods, it is a good idea...

I am not sure it is out of range, but for sure, Termi's are expensive. It used to be that they were the best fitting and best sounding exhaust out there. Alot has changed. I personally own an 08' S2R and love it. I have plans to go with Sil-moto slip ons and  mid-pipe. Not sure wich one yet. I have been quoted $980 for the slip-on's and the mid pipe ranges aroud $400 ish. From what I've been told you do not have to use a DP ECU. And a good mechanic should be able to get it running right with PCIII. I know that my dealer told me that when I was ready to pull the trigger, to come in and we would work out the details. I know for a fact that I will not spend 3k on exhaust. Maybe after high comp pistons and race cams. P.S. Sil-Moto exhaust are hard to get. I have been trying to get an honest answer for months wether or not they even make what I am looking for. (round, high, side by side). They do make them and I will be purchaseing soon.

Couple of things. First, the ECU that comes with that setup is designed specifically for it, so there is no reason for the PCIII if you are not making any other changes. Second, Dynojet does not list a PCIII for the S2R1000. The DP ECU takes care of the O2 Sensor problem, but since you aren't making any radical engine changes, the PCIII is unnecessary and the map is a bit overpriced. I paid $200 for my custom map, and they typically don't run more than about $250..

You need the DP ecu if you want to use a PCIII with your bike.  With the PCIII, the dealer can make your bike run perfect.  You cannot custom map a DP ecu.  To save money, you go without the PCIII (and custom map) and/or the header pipe.

Not entirely true. Ask Monstermash...

read what NAKID said

I surprised no one else chimed in sooner saying there was no PCIII for your bike. 
It seams high to me.  If I were you go to the closed looped thread and read around. 
If you are fairly mechanical you could save yourself a lot of money. 

You don't need a PCIII or Rapidbike or anyother ecu with the Termi kit as Nakid explains.   

MSRP for the DP Termi kit (96448206b) is 1973
MSRP for the DP Midpipe (979A00107)  is 607.99

(side note bookmark this site, it's invaluable for planning/budgeting/etc...   http://www.ducatiomaha.com/products.asp)

I paid 1200 for the DP Termi kit and 450 shipped for the midpipe from Ducati dealers for my '04-'06 S2R800/S4R parts.

If your local dealer is unwilling to move on that price try Ducati Seattle.   Aside from being a board sponser they've done me right pricewise on a number of parts over the past 2 years.    2500 for that kit is just ridiculous - this coming from a big fan of the Termi kit.

If no one will deal for that price I'd be looking other options.   Such as an open lid, Spark midpipe from chris and either a Spark, Zard or Arrow exhaust with a PCIII mapped.  You'll spend hundreds less for a system that is just as tight.

i bought 2 bikes new from my local dealer
and was quoted a price of $2600 USD fo the full termi system
but they would cut me a break and do it for $2200 which is the cans, header pipes, and DP ecu...
add a pcIII for fine tuning for another $500 and youre stil only at $2700 + taxes....
sounds high to me........

I believe i got my full system installed on my s2r1000 for around 2500 USD, and it was from a shop that probably marked it up a little.

I researched this further and it sounds like a good solution so I will probably go this route.  Other than the springs for the cans, Bill, were there any other installation issues or was it pretty straightforward?  Also, what setting do you have on your manipulator?  Thanks all for your input.   

Um, there is if you want the most HP you can get out of the bike and have it run it's best. The DP ECU is pig rich and designed for racing. It doesn't map smoothly at all down low and in the midrange compared to a PCIII and some mapping. They don't list a PCIII for the bike cuz they can't deal with the O2 sensor (not an issue if ya have the DP ECU in it already). Doesn't mean there isn't one that can be used. The one in my bike (S4RS) was for an M1000sie... Just so you know....  ;D

damn, well the pc3 pricing and dyno runs sound about right, at 600 total for that, so nothing bad about that.

you might be able to find the full termi system cheaper on ebay or such from a dealer trying to get rid of old stock or on sale.

other than that, you could just get the slip ons/forget the ecu and do the Pc3 only and save the price on the full system and probably just go slip ons/pc3 and get the sound you are looking for and a couple of  hp extra wont' be anythign liek 10-20 hp but you will ge tthe look and sound you want.

God that is a lot of money for exhaust.  What about a different manufacture?  I think my zard full system was around 1300 for my S4R and runs pretty well without modifying the ECU or running a PC3.

Well of course that's ideal, but not necessary. I know it CAN work. Hell, I have a PCIII from my old S2R800 (originally designed for an M800) on my stock ECU'd S2R1000 (2006) with the O2 sensor removed.

The bike will run just fine in almost all situations (with the exception of low throttle, low rpm) with the DP ECU...

I thought about that but I want to drop the udder so I have to go full system.  A full Arrow runs about $1400 for the S2R1K. Throw in the FatDuc 02 manipulator for $80 and I'm in for about $1500 as opposed to $2500+ for the full Termi if I installed it myself.  If Dynojet eventually makes a PC III for the S2R1K, I could do the custom mapping then.   

Send you ECU to Monstermash for a reflash to DP ECU specs. for half the price of a "new" DP ECU - There's no difference in the ECU's, just the programming.  I think Monstermash quoted a little less than $600.

A good after market full system is something less than or about $1500 (Arrows or Zards).  I believe both reuse your OEM exhaust manifold right off the head.

A trip to the Ducati shop for a reset of the Throttle Position Sensor and a open airbox w/K&N filter and you're in business.

$3500 for the Termi and PCM that you don't have to have is too high a price - and I'm a real fan of Termis kits.  My kit was $2100 and one hour's shop time at the time of purchase of the bike. 

Looks like a $1000 less than the Termi setup.

LA