do I need a wheelchock for this? I'd like to save the $300 and just use some tie downs and eyelets
Ive never done this before but Id liek to do it without spending so much cash...
also what can I use for a ramp to load the bike into the van... again low budget thank you
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 12, 2009, 07:16:15 PM
do I need a wheelchock for this? I'd like to save the $300 and just use some tie downs and eyelets
Ive never done this before but Id liek to do it without spending so much cash...
also what can I use for a ramp to load the bike into the van... again low budget thank you
A 2x10 makes a fine ramp...
even better with the factory made bracket at the top.
I've driven a thousand miles each way with the tire against the headboard of the pickup...
no wheel chock involved.
as long as something stops the wheel, you don't need special equipment.
handlebar ties are very useful, but you can improvise.
home depot has a 4-pack of ratcheting ties for $15 which are perfect. even the one on 23rd st has them.
just don't over compress the forks. about 2" is enough.
can you do it without a chock?..yes....will it be easier with a chock...yes...less tie downs needed and better security with a Baxley...
and a chock like that will make it so it can be done by you and you only....more the merrier...but it won't be a requirement to have someone else there!
now that I have a Baxley Sport Chock....I'll never go without one again!...Condors aren't bad either...Acebikes stand is decent looking as well...but I have no personal experience with them...
BTW...I use my chock also in my garage instead of the sidestand...
as for low rent way to load it into the van...back the van up to a hill where the bumper is lower than the dirt leading up to it and roll it in...or do this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYeu56_RP4A
awesome thank you
any particular way or location to screw in the eyelets?
I love my Baxley, and I've used it in the truck and in the garage.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN1730.jpg)
It's expensive, but if you're a doofus like me, it's worth it.
Beck, I'm going to be transporting a bike on thursday with the help of silent bob. If you like I can take pics of all the tie downs and how its done.
Ill be learning how to do it so I may just make a tutorial of it.
Is this something you're going to be doing often? Are you doing it by yourself? If you have another person or 2, you could lift it into and out of the van.
If the bike is being loaded into a high vehicle(say, a 4x4 pickup), bring 2 2x10's. One for the bike, and one for you to stand on while your friend helps you push the bike up the ramp. Cuts way down on the pucker factor.
when i picked my bike up from the dealership, i used a ratcheting tiedown on the rear suspension, and handlebar tiedowns on the front. worked perfect. no chock or anything. dealer had a ramp for me to get it on my bro's ATV trailer...
when we got home, we realized we had no ramp... so we grabbed the nearest thing... which ended up being a spare door...
whatever works i guess... that door is make the beast with two backsed though.
I move my bike in my pickup (Tacoma Prerunner) pretty often. Do you have tie-down points in your truck bed? The way I do it, you need at least 2 for the front. I also use 2 at the back because I like redundancy.
I have an aluminum ATV ramp that I use to get the bike into the bed. It's wide (4 or 5') which helps make it safer riding up there (well, really, it's helpful when backing down - doesn't really matter for loading). I ride it up instead of walking it because I usually do this alone, and it's easier. I use a Canyon dancer handlebar tie down (not expensive - check your local cycle shops and see if they've got one). I then use tension tie-downs on either end of the canyon dancer, getting them as snug as I comfortably can while sitting on the bike to compress the forks a little. This is really all you need - it'll take the weight of the bike if your tie down points are secure, and the canyon dancer really keeps the bike stable. I then hook tension tie downs on the sub frame (M696) and tie down to D-rings in the back of the bed (because better too much security than not enough). I then go back and snug the front tie downs one more time. I'd stop 5 or 6 miles into the drive and make sure everything's snug, and then again every 5 or 6 hrs of driving. Don't worry, the bike ain't going anywhere.
Sorry, I know this may have been too wordy and elementary an explanation, but I don't know if you've done this before. When are you doing this? I have to load my bike on Friday. Maybe I can take pics and send 'em to you.
If none of your friends can help, atleast have them take video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQYYBOrRNk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQYYBOrRNk)
DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN THE STRAPS! I have busted two fork seals before I learned to compress the suspension only an inch. The main goal with tie downs, or anything else you decide to use, is lateral stability. As long as the bike will not move side to side you are golden. You actually want the bike's suspension to work with you as your hauling.
Again, a couple hundred miles on US highways with the suspension compressed too much and you will be replacing seals!
Get the 4 ratcheting straps from depot, rags between the bars and the straps, 2 in front, 2 in back, compress slightly, rubberband brake levers to keep them on. worked for me.
Quote from: JBubble on January 12, 2009, 08:02:33 PM
Beck, I'm going to be transporting a bike on thursday with the help of silent bob. If you like I can take pics of all the tie downs and how its done.
Ill be learning how to do it so I may just make a tutorial of it.
hey if you can do that that would be really awesome, i can mail you some meatballs or something [beer]
Quote from: kopfjager on January 12, 2009, 08:59:21 PM
If none of your friends can help, atleast have them take video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQYYBOrRNk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQYYBOrRNk)
why? LOL
Quote from: BastrdHK on January 12, 2009, 09:41:31 PM
DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN THE STRAPS! I have busted two fork seals before I learned to compress the suspension only an inch. The main goal with tie downs, or anything else you decide to use, is lateral stability. As long as the bike will not move side to side you are golden. You actually want the bike's suspension to work with you as your hauling.
1-2 inches, and use the handlebar straps. when the bike is moving it can loosen otherwise.
that is exactly why I do NOT use a canyon dancer....I use the Baxley and tie down at the bottom of the forks like this (this is not my bike, but pretty exactly how I do it and a very explicit example)...
(http://www.mad-ducati.com/tiedown/dscn1037s.jpg)
(http://www.mad-ducati.com/tiedown/dscn1036s.jpg)
the bike then rides naturally on it's own suspension free from worry that the seals my be affected, or that forks might tweak in alignment in the triples, or that the bike might take a bounce that pops the wheel to one side or the other from under the canyon dancer ( I've seen it happen).
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 12, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
hey if you can do that that would be really awesome, i can mail you some meatballs or something [beer]
alcohol man, bring me alcohol. [thumbsup]
I'll be getting home Thursday afternoon so I'll try to have it up thursday evening.
Beck, don't you live in Denver?
If so, I have a ramp and plenty of tie downs if you need to borrow them. Just let me know.
Quote from: NvrSummer on January 13, 2009, 07:17:53 AM
Beck, don't you live in Denver?
If so, I have a ramp and plenty of tie downs if you need to borrow them. Just let me know.
thank you for the offer but no I dont live in Denver [beer]
I dont know how far you are going...
but if your vehicle has a hitch, the small uhaul trailer with flip-down ramp is only $25 to rent.
add your home depot tie-downs and you are good to go.
easy to load with the low height too...
Of course if money were no object, i think this is the best way to secure the bike...no tie downs required
(http://www.pit-bull.com/Images/TrailerRestraintLeftLG.jpg)
im going 1000 miles
bike will be enclosed in an e350 van
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 13, 2009, 09:34:05 AM
im going 1000 miles
bike will be enclosed in an e350 van
A van does not have a bulkhead to hold the front wheel. You will need to bolt a chock to the floor or put a 2x8 behind the front seats. Finding tie down points is another problem without installing anchors. You might be able to get some straps around the seat mounts. A pickup truck is much easier.
Quote from: silentbob on January 13, 2009, 09:40:51 AM
A van does not have a bulkhead to hold the front wheel. You will need to bolt a chock to the floor or put a 2x8 behind the front seats. Finding tie down points is another problem without installing anchors. You might be able to get some straps around the seat mounts. A pickup truck is much easier.
so i do need a wheel chock in a van
i just transported my bike today. i used the strap across the handle bars with the d rings on them then two straps to tie down to two floor drings in the small moving van. a 7ft hyundai. the front wheel was pressed against the bulkhead. drove an hour each way, no problems.
Quote from: Raux on January 13, 2009, 10:00:03 AM
i just transported my bike today. i used the strap across the handle bars with the d rings on them then two straps to tie down to two floor drings in the small moving van. a 7ft hyundai. the front wheel was pressed against the bulkhead. drove an hour each way, no problems.
whats a bulkhead?
is a bulkhead a wall?
i have that in my van a metal wall that separates the from seats with the back
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 13, 2009, 10:04:48 AM
is a bulkhead a wall?
i have that in my van a metal wall that separates the from seats with the back
Yes. Then you should be ok as long as you have tie down points.
Couple tie-down tuts by the local gang
-Where zooms photos are from
http://www.mad-ducati.com/tiedown/TieDown.html (http://www.mad-ducati.com/tiedown/TieDown.html)
Very similar method
http://www.mad-ducati.com/ShowPage2.php?PageName=Technical/TieDownCAE/TieDown.html (http://www.mad-ducati.com/ShowPage2.php?PageName=Technical/TieDownCAE/TieDown.html)
It's pretty easy not to overcompress the shocks using a canyon dancer. Just make sure they still have some movement in 'em. I usually tighten about an inch and a half. I've been moving bikes that way for yrs and have never broken a shock seal. The reason I haven't installed a chock is that I use the truck bed to move all manner of stuff and don't want to obstruct it. Plus I plan on getting a bike trailer soon.
need better pics..
so put some straps on the handle bars tie down to the floor dont compress to much about an inch
and then where do i tir the rear straps to? the swing arm?
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 13, 2009, 01:15:02 PM
need better pics..
so put some straps on the handle bars tie down to the floor dont compress to much about an inch
and then where do i tir the rear straps to? the swing arm?
What bike, Beck?
I personally don't like tie downs on the handle bars. The bars can rotate in the clamps if they the clamps are a little loose and result in a loose bike.
I like to go around the forks, just above the lower triple:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/2491032662_b4bd938c5b_o.jpg)
Also, all chocks are not $300. Static ones like I have on my trailer are $60, and very nice.
If I had a van, I would make a 2' x 4' floor out of 3/4 plywood for the bike's front wheel to sit on. It would have a static chock bolted to it, and then some beefy hooks near the outer edge to front corner to attach the straps to.
mitt
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 13, 2009, 01:48:02 PM
749
nevermind about around the forks then, no room.
Here is an idea of what you could use if you were using a vehicle without mounting points on the floor.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/3194453889_e398f2e63a_o.jpg)
mitt
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 13, 2009, 01:15:02 PM
need better pics..
so put some straps on the handle bars tie down to the floor dont compress to much about an inch
and then where do i tir the rear straps to? the swing arm?
didn't use rear tie down. straps press front wheel against wall, side to side and for aft movement controlled by straps on bars. the thing is a special piece that fits over the handles and has drings for hooks. won't slip off.
I went in between, $40 work perfect on a S4r. Mounting bolts included. I just bolted it to a piece of plywood and temporarily screwed it to the trailer floor. If not would suggest putting down a couple 2x4 along each side of the wheels otherwise the bike could dance out from under the straps. Just put it in first gear to help take the strain off the straps from it rolling fwd & back.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96349 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96349)
ok so in the end a baxley wheel chox and 2 straps on the triple clamp pulling it forward and call it a day
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 13, 2009, 07:59:34 PM
ok so in the end a baxley wheel chox and 2 straps on the triple clamp pulling it forward and call it a day
[thumbsup]
Good deal, man, should work fine.
Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on January 13, 2009, 07:59:34 PM
ok so in the end a baxley wheel chox and 2 straps on the triple clamp pulling it forward and call it a day
DING DING DING DING... We have a winner!!!
BTW...you won't regret buying a Baxley...like I said...I use mine for everyday parking instead of the kickstand in the garage!
Another thing I've found VERY useful with the ST2 and other faired bikes like your 749 is a pair of the webbing dogbones, which I loop around the lower triple so that all of the hardware from the tiedown straps is very much NOT within four or five inches of the fairings. A thousand miles of road vibration will chew a nice little hole in your paint & plastic if one of the hooks or ratchets can contact something. I know. [bang]
The Canyon Dancer would do the same thing, but I've never used one.
Here's how we rolled the ST2 the first time -- very secure for about 450 miles, but if you look closely at the right-front strap, we crossed the dogbones for some dumb reason (right hand strap attached to the left side of the triple, and vice versa), so the hook is too close to the front fender and rubbed a deep, 1" scratch in the paint.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/2564149585_c53480b2d0.jpg?v=0)