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Title: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 23, 2009, 12:27:22 PM
Day 1, wet and dry conditions:

1. Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1'44.265
2. Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'44.468
3. Spies B. (USA) Yamaha YZF R1 1'44.652
4. Neukirchner M. (GER) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'44.931
5. Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1'44.976
6. Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1'45.266
7. Haslam L. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.323
8. Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.329
9. Checa C. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.373
10. Kagayama Y. (JPN) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'45.448
11. Sykes T. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'45.558
12. Laconi R. (FRA) Ducati 1098R 1'45.914
13. Polita A. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'46.110
14. Parkes B. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'46.121
15. Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'46.261
16. Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1'46.440
17. Kiyonari R. (JPN) Honda CBR1000RR 1'46.586
18. Lavilla G. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 1'46.948
19. Tamada M. (JPN) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'46.957
20. Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 1'47.340
21. Hill T. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'47.639
22. Roberts B. (AUS) Ducati 1098R 1'47.699
23. Nakano S. (JPN) Aprilia RSV4 1'48.269
24. Salom D. (ESP) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'48.274
25. Scassa L. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'49.800
26. Iannuzzo V. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'50.187
27. Rolfo R. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'53.550


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 23, 2009, 02:07:56 PM
I say Shakey Byrne F**K YEAH!

I have always loved Shakey...specially when he rode for MonsterMob Ducati in BSBK!


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: derby on January 24, 2009, 08:06:08 AM
http://www.worldsbk.com/pubb_EN/news_ext.php?id=2854 (http://www.worldsbk.com/pubb_EN/news_ext.php?id=2854)

day 2,

1 67 Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1'43.294
2 19 Spies B. (USA) Yamaha YZF R1 1'43.484
3 41 Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1'43.487
4 66 Sykes T. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'43.546
5 7 Checa C. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 1'43.657
6 76 Neukirchner M. (GER) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'43.674
7 96 Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1'43.767
8 84 Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'43.951
9 65 Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.115
10 91 Haslam L. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.170
11 71 Kagayama Y. (JPN) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'44.425
12 11 Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'44.479
13 55 Laconi R. (FRA) Ducati 1098R 1'44.546
14 9 Kiyonari R. (JPN) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.610
15 23 Parkes B. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'44.704
16 53 Polita A. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'45.108
17 56 Nakano S. (JPN) Aprilia RSV4 1'45.179
18 3 Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1'45.260
19 24 Roberts B. (AUS) Ducati 1098R 1'45.278
20 25 Salom D. (ESP) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'45.393
21 100 Tamada M. (JPN) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'45.446
22 36 Lavilla G. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.672
23 33 Hill T. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.679
24 99 Scassa L. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'45.820
25 111 Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 1'46.128
26 44 Rolfo R. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'46.916
27 77 Iannuzzo V. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'46.971


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 24, 2009, 09:39:26 AM
F%^K YEAH!


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 24, 2009, 09:52:51 AM
and three cheers for Tom Houseworth  :)


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: tufty on January 26, 2009, 09:30:49 AM
Pfft! Ben who? Go Brits!!! Not a qualifying tyre in sight and beats Bayliss' lap record.
It's going to be an interesting season.

http://www.visordown.com/news/article.asp?UAN=6291&v=4&sp= (http://www.visordown.com/news/article.asp?UAN=6291&v=4&sp=)

1. Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1'43.874;
2. Neukirchner M. (GER) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'43.965;
3. Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.144;
4. Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1'44.157;
5. Haslam L. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.217;
6. Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'44.261;
7. Kagayama Y. (JPN) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'44.586;
8. Laconi R. (FRA) Ducati 1098R 1'47.057;
9. Checa C. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 1'49.387;
10. Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'52.340;
11. Nakano S. (JPN) Aprilia RSV4 1'56.553;
12. Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1'56.643;
13. Spies B. (USA) Yamaha YZF R1 1'44.119;
14. Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1'45.182;
15. Sykes T. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'45.624;
16. Kiyonari R. (JPN) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.931;
17. Parkes B. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'46.181;
18. Salom D. (ESP) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'46.260;
19. Polita A. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'46.849;
20. Roberts B. (AUS) Ducati 1098R 1'46.897


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: derby on January 26, 2009, 09:38:32 AM
i think those times are from the half-wet superpole test...

http://www.worldsbk.com/pubb_EN/news_ext.php?id=2862 (http://www.worldsbk.com/pubb_EN/news_ext.php?id=2862)

Superbike - Overall Best Times

Update: January 25, 2009, 18.35 PM ET

1 67 Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1'43.294
2 19 Spies B. (USA) Yamaha YZF R1 1'43.484
3 41 Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1'43.487
4 66 Sykes T. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'43.546
5 7 Checa C. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 1'43.657
6 76 Neukirchner M. (GER) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'43.674
7 96 Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1'43.767
8 84 Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'43.951
9 65 Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.115
10 91 Haslam L. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.170
11 11 Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'44.261
12 71 Kagayama Y. (JPN) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'44.425
13 55 Laconi R. (FRA) Ducati 1098R 1'44.546
14 9 Kiyonari R. (JPN) Honda CBR1000RR 1'44.610
15 23 Parkes B. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'44.704
16 53 Polita A. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'45.108
17 56 Nakano S. (JPN) Aprilia RSV4 1'45.179
18 3 Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1'45.199
19 24 Roberts B. (AUS) Ducati 1098R 1'45.278
20 25 Salom D. (ESP) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'45.393
21 100 Tamada M. (JPN) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'45.446
22 36 Lavilla G. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.672
23 33 Hill T. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'45.679
24 99 Scassa L. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'45.820
25 111 Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 1'46.128
26 44 Rolfo R. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'46.916
27 77 Iannuzzo V. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'46.971


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 26, 2009, 09:39:28 AM
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35415 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35415)

he was still 2nd overall.... and less than 0.2sec behind shakey   ;D

13th in superpole smells like traffic.


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 26, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
as well as just generally routing for the Brits, the folks that have come to WSBK from BSBK are really turning things on an ear to a degree...like the HM PLant Honda's last year for example...Haslam ain't no slouch and Johnny Rea and Shayne Byrne along with Kiyo will have the propensity to destroy the field in the wet with their used to riding in the rain comfort levels...look at Kiyo's wet Superpole antics last year as an example...


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 26, 2009, 09:42:11 AM
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35415 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35415)

he was still 2nd overall.... and less than 0.2sec behind shakey   ;D

13th in superpole smells like traffic.


traffic is racing and WSBK is a paddock full of guys you have to really fight against to get around...


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 26, 2009, 09:52:23 AM
....you sound nervous    [cheeky]


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: tufty on January 26, 2009, 10:05:04 AM
traffic is racing and WSBK is a paddock full of guys you have to really fight against to get around...

Like I said last year, old Ben isn't used to having to compete with 25 or 30 other guys who are just as fast as him. Also AMA superbike isn't the blood sport that WSBK is.

(befoer y'all jump down my throat, that is my opinion) ;D


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 26, 2009, 10:28:04 AM
i don't disagree in principle.  however if you carefully watched the last 3 AMA seasons, it definitely was a blood sport between he and mat.  no, he doesn't have experience in wsbk-level crowds.  but he did get the best possible prep he could have gotten in this country.  beating mat is like wrestling a wolverine.

and if it were all just a foregone conclusion, we'd have nothing to bicker about....  ;)


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 26, 2009, 10:50:36 AM
i don't disagree in principle.  however if you carefully watched the last 3 AMA seasons, it definitely was a blood sport between he and mat.  no, he doesn't have experience in wsbk-level crowds.  but he did get the best possible prep he could have gotten in this country.  beating mat is like wrestling a wolverine.

and if it were all just a foregone conclusion, we'd have nothing to bicker about....  ;)


now imagine him fighting against a whole paddock full of wolverine's....or even just say that half the paddock is wolverine's even...till a lot harder of a field to push against.


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 26, 2009, 10:58:49 AM
now imagine him fighting against a whole paddock full of wolverine's....or even just say that half the paddock is wolverine's even...till a lot harder of a field to push against.

no, he doesn't have experience in wsbk-level crowds.

as i said...

i just think he'll podium before miller.  not walk away with the series.


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: Cynic on January 26, 2009, 02:07:54 PM
I can't wait for WSBK to start.  I wonder how the new guys (BMW and Aprilia) are going to do once we start racing. I was hoping to see them both a little higher up in the standings.

Just a month and a half to go!


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 26, 2009, 02:11:32 PM
i wouldn't expect much from them for most of the year, esp BMW.

but then again, xaus is crazy.


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 26, 2009, 07:28:03 PM
I WOULD expect Xaus to put it into a ditch a few times pushing to hard and Corser to be slow but steady and smooth...

as far as the 'priller...hard to say...I know Max wants to mix it up...but it will all depends on how well he makes the bike work in Superpole and how well he can launch the bike at the starts....


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: BastrdHK on January 26, 2009, 07:50:23 PM
I wonder what happened to Xaus during the simulations.....was he not in the top 20 eligible for superpole?

I pull for Xaus no matter what....anybody 6'4" at that level and battling with tiny jockey elves on 200+hp superbikes is inspiring!  I am 6'6" and only slightly biased ;D

Shakey is one hell of a rider(esp. on the 1098r).....he dominated BSBK, and has several times from what I understand.  I saw one race last year where a rider bounced him into a wall, he keeps the bike off of it with his shoulder and elbow, and still passes the guy before the lap is over. 8)


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: Speeddog on January 26, 2009, 09:26:27 PM
Xaus is 6'4"?


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: ducpainter on January 26, 2009, 09:29:47 PM
Xaus is 6'4"?
Yah man..... ;D


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 27, 2009, 07:19:54 AM
Xaus is 6'4"?

he yawns and his knee is on the ground


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 27, 2009, 07:48:00 AM
as far as the 'priller...hard to say...I know Max wants to mix it up...but it will all depends on how well he makes the bike work in Superpole and how well he can launch the bike at the starts....

http://www.crash.net/World+Superbikes/News/142332/1/biaggi_we_dont_leave_with_high_morale.html (http://www.crash.net/World+Superbikes/News/142332/1/biaggi_we_dont_leave_with_high_morale.html)


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: Spidey on January 27, 2009, 12:53:58 PM
http://www.crash.net/World+Superbikes/News/142332/1/biaggi_we_dont_leave_with_high_morale.html (http://www.crash.net/World+Superbikes/News/142332/1/biaggi_we_dont_leave_with_high_morale.html)


Honestly, what did Max think was going to happen?  It's a new bike.  Of course it's not going to be competitive at first.  Sure, Ducati managed to hit it out of the park their first year in MotoGP, but that was an anomaly.  Most new bikes are going to be in development for a while, especially one like the 'priller where they don't have tons of recent racing development with the 4-strokes and WSBK.  I hope Max's WSBK success (in terms of being able to get along with others and not be a colossal dick all the time) doesn't go down the tube because of all the difficulties that are going to come with trying to get the 'priller to run up front. 


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: Spidey on January 27, 2009, 12:56:03 PM
Is the Shakey up front the same Shakey from MotoGP?  And the same one who crashed in that crazy Brit street-riding vid from a coupla years ago where they had a Duc and TL and some other bike, doing triple digit wheelies while lane-splitting?  I think they killed two of the three bikes in that vid. 


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 27, 2009, 01:08:59 PM
yeah, he rode an aprilia in motogp in '04ish


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 28, 2009, 06:40:43 AM
  Sure, Ducati managed to hit it out of the park their first year in MotoGP, but that was an anomaly.  

I don't think it was an anomoly....FIM/DORNA announces requirements/parameters/specification allowances well ahead of time and Ducati rose to the task of using development time before showing up to start racing GP in the 4 stroke era...

Aprilia in this case are trying to make a production machine and have to deal with homologation parameters which means maybe they didn't put enough R&D into the bike to anticipate the competition's growth from their previous production machines...especially since since this is a production machine based racing series...not necessarily Max's fault, though he'll certainly pregnant dog about it....not like he wrenches on the bike or builds it or tweaks it...he just rides it to the limit of what he can do...just like everyone else out there...

Is the Shakey up front the same Shakey from MotoGP?    

Shakey did go to MotoGP for a short stint...he, like Troy Bayliss in GP, wasn't in his element based on the results...but has done far better in production machine racing, particularly with Ducati where he has won the BSBK championship a couple times...I have no clue about street riding and him with that stuff...but I'll say, the man can ride for sure and will definitely run the hell out of that Sterilgarda 1098...I bet he'll even give the factory some fits with how well he might ride it for results over Haga or Fabrizio....not all the time...but enough to be in the top 10 in the points chase easily.


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 28, 2009, 07:18:51 AM
this is just normal drawing-board-to-reality growing pains.  BMW is in the same boat.  only, this is the first 4-cylinder aprilia has ever built.

and it wasn't so much that shakey was out of his element in motogp, but that the aprilia cube was nearly unrideable.  then the KR/KTM gp abortion project derailed him again the following year.


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 28, 2009, 07:36:48 AM
this is just normal drawing-board-to-reality growing pains.  this is the first 4-cylinder aprilia has ever built.

  but that the aprilia cube was nearly unrideable. 

you just contridicted yourself....


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 28, 2009, 07:58:39 AM
dude, come on.  cube.  three. 

the aprilia RS3 "cube" was an inline 3-cylinder 990.


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: tufty on January 28, 2009, 08:06:34 AM
dude, come on.  cube.  three. 

the aprilia RS3 "cube" was an inline 3-cylinder 990.
[roll] ;D




Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: zooom on January 28, 2009, 08:33:29 AM
shit...sorry...was thinking of the old stacked 4 cylinder 2 strokers that were refferred to as cubes as in square with 4 seperate cylinders...


Title: Re: Portimao WSBK testing, aka "Ben Spies. F%^K YEAH!", pt. 2
Post by: gm2 on January 28, 2009, 08:47:11 AM
no worries..


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