it takes a while to sink in.... but your life will be better when you give more than you get.
i have a tendency to distrust anybody past the age of 40 who has not figured that out yet.
we as humans, are made up of mostly water..... remember that. (hopefully it wall all make sense in the end)
pretend you are an empty glass. now pretend water is money.
you... have to give of your self in order to be be filled.
give and take.
now.... you get married. two glasses.
you have kids.... more glasses.
logic, and the natural order of things states... that you as parents give of yourselves to fill the kids empty glasses. more water is needed to keep things going. food, shelter, clothing...that stuff costs money (water)
those needs are filled by giving your water to somebody else. (a transfer of fluids if you will)
the water does not disappear, its just been transferred.
back to the family. kids think think water grows on trees, when its actually quite the opposite, water is used to grow the trees. kids get, without giving. mom and dad fill them up and all is right in their world.
a happy family gives of itself.... giving of itself, and giving back in return. in a perfect world, that's all that's needed. but things ain't perfect. so the family looks to outside sources to keep going.
the same thing happens in business
and communities
and cities
and states
and countries
i worked for a man who thought that charging one part of the company money to keep another part of the company busy, was progress and growth. they are all working, so it must be good.
no..... it's just water being poured from one glass to another, and see'n how the business needs help from outside itself, like electricity, police protection, etc etc..... you are also having to fill the glasses of others..... leaks if you will.
unless you provide a product or service that somebody outside your family/business/community/city/state/country is willing to pay you for....... you are just wasting your time transferring fluids.
the fail process is quick when it's just the family.... a lil slower to fail when it the community... even slower as a city....slower still as a state..... and slower still as a country. but fail they will.
economic stimulus packages are failure in the form of a check. it's just fancy fluid transfer.
mom and dad succeed when they provide products and services to other outside the family.
communities succeed when they provide products and service outsides their boundary's.
cities succeed when they provide products and services to other cities
states succeed when they provide products and services to other states
countries succeed when they provide products and services outside their borders.
anything less that that is fluid transfer and a slow death.
creating jobs that....
build roads....fluid transfer
highspeed rail...fluid transfer
etc etc etc..... fluid transfer
unless..... it brings fluid/money in from outside the border. (remember...california taking water from nevada may benefit california, but to those from neveda, its just a big leak..... same a kid thinking he's rich because mom gave him 5 bucks, no, now moms 5 bucks lighter, and the families fluid level has stayed the same) growth and success only happens when it is earned from outside the border.
the water/money never dissapears... it just goes somewhere else.
everybody is thirsty.... some people work for the drink, some people sit and wait to be given a glass..... and as amazing as it may sound, some people take thier glass and pour it out on the ground.
i write this rant because i'm pissed.
i dropped out of high school my sophmore year. i didnt get a GED till I was 28. i... am not that smart
we have the greatest minds in all the land working on fixing the current economic crisis, and not once have I heard anybody mention products and services to be sold outside our borders.
just more fluid transfer.
I need a beer ( made in part..by water) [beer] [laugh]
Thanks. I need to pee now.
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 24, 2009, 11:30:08 AM
Thanks. I need to pee now.
Collect it in a cup for later purchases otherwise it's just a leak.
Quote from: lethe on January 24, 2009, 11:31:10 AM
Collect it in a cup for later purchases otherwise it's just a leak.
yup ;)
Quote from: bobspapa on January 24, 2009, 11:31:40 AM
yup ;)
Saving the economy, one urinal at a time. [thumbsup]
Quote from: lethe on January 24, 2009, 11:34:02 AM
Saving the economy, one urinal at a time. [thumbsup]
just make sure to stand one urinal down :)
Quote from: bobspapa on January 24, 2009, 11:36:36 AM
just make sure to stand one urinal down :)
Don't look at me.
You made me miss!
seriously.... without turning this political...has anybody heard anybody talking about bringing money in from outside the borders?
Quote from: bobspapa on January 24, 2009, 11:41:50 AM
seriously.... without turning this political...has anybody heard anybody talking about bringing money in from outside the borders?
That would involve swinging the country back more towards being producers rather than managers.
This is not meant as a political statement but more so a comment on social consciousness and where parents are pushing their kids towards in terms of careers.
I've heard nothing.
we do need to swing back towards being producers. but that takes time.
and the businesses need to bring the jobs back for it to happen too...
Quote from: bobspapa on January 24, 2009, 11:41:50 AM
seriously.... without turning this political...has anybody heard anybody talking about bringing money in from outside the borders?
90% of the money my company brings in is from outside the country. a couple billion a year. Not much else I can do :)
exactly..... nobody is talking about producing what the world wants..... only about shuffling money within the borders.
zero growth and a slow painfull death.
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 24, 2009, 11:56:36 AM
90% of the money my company brings in is from outside the country. a couple billion a year. Not much else I can do :)
thats great...... but what else is out there thats exported?
there seems to be no ballance in import and export...it's all about take and very little about sell.
What's our top export?
It's probably porn.
Screw the car companies, maybe the porn industry should get their bailout money.
Quote from: bobspapa on January 24, 2009, 12:00:43 PM
thats great...... but what else is out there thats exported?
there seems to be no ballance in import and export...it's all about take and very little about sell.
This stuff bugs you. I don't understand why you're not out there running for an office.
Get two jobs, save one for a campaign fund :)
Quote from: lethe on January 24, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
What's our top export?
It's probably porn.
Screw the car companies, maybe the porn industry should get their bailout money.
if it's what the world wants...... hell yeah (it's a renewable resource afterall ;) )
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 24, 2009, 12:04:30 PM
This stuff bugs you. I don't understand why you're not out there running for an office.
He hasn't lost his humanity yet.
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 24, 2009, 12:04:30 PM
This stuff bugs you. I don't understand why you're not out there running for an office.
Get two jobs, save one for a campaign fund :)
A: nobody will vote for me.... there be some funky shit in my closet
B: it's one of the reasons I want to go back to school to teach.
Quote from: bobspapa on January 24, 2009, 11:58:31 AM
exactly..... nobody is talking about producing what the world wants..... only about shuffling money within the borders.
zero growth and a slow painfull death.
Unfortunately this has been tried...TWICE in the past 100 years and both times it has failed. Some consider FDR to be the man whose public works policy brought this country out of depression. WRONG! His failed policy only prolonged the depression. WWII was what put this country back on track. People HAD to produce goods mainly for the war effort. Jimmy Carter tried something similar in the seventies. The country was in the crapper and the OPEC embargo wasn't helping matters any. So Carter falls back on what? Public works! Remember the BILLIONS spent on the Alaska pipeline? Did this lift the country out of recession? NOPE! Only when Reagan came in and used the policy of cutting taxes (which his own VP considered "voodoo economics") did this country start to turn around. Now look where we are. It's 2009. We have a national debt of 10.6 TRILLION dollars. We have already borrowed Billions from China to pay off a "stimulus package" which failed. Miserably. Our new commander in chief wants to rebuild this country by borrowing MORE money to pass ANOTHER stimulus package AND he wants to "invest" in infrastructure using what? PUBLIC WORKS POLICY! What's that line about those who don't learn from history? Oh yeah.....DOOMED TO REPEAT IT!! Sorry about my rant but I just don't get how some can be so blind, stupid, or both.
the reason I used water as a metaphor for money is.... like the tide, there is an ebb and flow to finances. the water never really disappears, it just transfers or evaporates in the air, only later to fall as rain.
same with money.... somebody always has lots and somebody always has none.
money is acquired two ways.... taken or earned.
I want to hear more from the smart people how we are going to earn it and less how they are going to shuffle it.
Build a better mousetrap?
Quote from: nateqwik on January 24, 2009, 12:17:28 PM
Unfortunately this has been tried...TWICE in the past 100 years and both times it has failed. Some consider FDR to be the man whose public works policy brought this country out of depression. WRONG! His failed policy only prolonged the depression. WWII was what put this country back on track. People HAD to produce goods mainly for the war effort. Jimmy Carter tried something similar in the seventies. The country was in the crapper and the OPEC embargo wasn't helping matters any. So Carter falls back on what? Public works! Remember the BILLIONS spent on the Alaska pipeline? Did this lift the country out of recession? NOPE! Only when Reagan came in and used the policy of cutting taxes (which his own VP considered "voodoo economics") did this country start to turn around. Now look where we are. It's 2009. We have a national debt of 10.6 TRILLION dollars. We have already borrowed Billions from China to pay off a "stimulus package" which failed. Miserably. Our new commander in chief wants to rebuild this country by borrowing MORE money to pass ANOTHER stimulus package AND he wants to "invest" in infrastructure using what? PUBLIC WORKS POLICY! What's that line about those who don't learn from history? Oh yeah.....DOOMED TO REPEAT IT!! Sorry about my rant but I just don't get how some can be so blind, stupid, or both.
please no naming political figures.... try to discuss the matter w/o the names and treat the discussion on business terms.
for me.... it's as simple as..... a business needs to sell more than it spends.
what are we selling?
Nothing. Thanks to "free" trade and tax incentives we have become a nation of consumers only. We manufacture very little. Some believe we should be "service oriented". Unfortuneately, when the world gets worried and won't spend money, there is no need for service.
Quote from: nateqwik on January 24, 2009, 12:37:02 PM
Nothing. Thanks to "free" trade and tax incentives we have become a nation of consumers only. We manufacture very little. Some believe we should be "service oriented". Unfortuneately, when the world gets worried and won't spend money, there is no need for service.
I find it very frustrating to hear the smart ones on tv talk about consumer confidence as if that's the problem.
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