I was clickin' around the intarwebs saturday and came across this find:
It's a 1988 Ducati F3 400 which was originally available in Japan only and this one found it's way to the Phillipines. Very cool bike IMO. Runs and rides and he's asking $3000 US for it. He's got papers for it too. The Suzuki RGV front end and wheels are a nice touch... Thoughts?!?
(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr135/motorcyclemayi/F3%20400/P4130049.jpg)
More photos here:
http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr135/motorcyclemayi/F3%20400/ (http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr135/motorcyclemayi/F3%20400/)
as long as it's not yellow..... you should be ok ;D
Bevel drive? That thing looks cool as shit!
Quote from: bobspapa on January 26, 2009, 09:39:01 AM
as long as it's not yellow..... you should be ok ;D
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That's sweet.
Quote from: alfisti on January 26, 2009, 09:49:54 AM
Bevel drive? That thing looks cool as shit!
Belt drive actually. I'm actually *not* going to be buying this bike as I have too many bike projects as it is... But, I can certainly pass along the guys' email address if anyone wants!
Too many projects here too...
Very cool find!
Drool..........
Am I the only one who thinks it's hideous? Was the tail section made as boxlike as possible to match the square headlight? Neither of which seems to match up with the lovely flow of the rest of the bike?
It's like it was drawn by two separate people, who weren't allowed to communicate, then meshed together with no chance for a redraw.
[puke]
There is one bike you would never want to upshift barefoot! :o
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 26, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it's hideous? Was the tail section made as boxlike as possible to match the square headlight? Neither of which seems to match up with the lovely flow of the rest of the bike?
It's like it was drawn by two separate people, who weren't allowed to communicate, then meshed together with no chance for a redraw.
[puke]
Quiet Heathen! >:(
Talking about 400s I always wanted that M400 from Japan [moto]
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 26, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it's hideous?
[puke]
+1. It is hideous. :-X
A diamond in the rough. This is what it should look like.
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20750F1%2085%20%20.jpg) (http://jbt900.free.fr/ressources/pantah-tt2.jpg) (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20400F3%2086.jpg) (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20600TT1%2084.jpg)
Quote from: desmodue on January 26, 2009, 06:42:03 PM
A diamond in the rough. This is what it should look like.
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20600TT1%2084.jpg)
I really like this one. [thumbsup]
Where is the bike located now? I may be interested...
The F3s' were in 400 and 350cc depending on the country.
I saw a 350 import at Mid Ohio, I think nydesmo has it on his page
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 26, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it's hideous? Was the tail section made as boxlike as possible to match the square headlight? Neither of which seems to match up with the lovely flow of the rest of the bike?
It's like it was drawn by two separate people, who weren't allowed to communicate, then meshed together with no chance for a redraw.
[puke]
You're not the only one. I hate it too.
It reminds me of the Paso.
[puke] [puke]
The design is as removed from the Paso as a Honda.
taste is relative I guess!
(http://www.westmoreland-moto-guzzi.com/Picture%20668.jpg)
It's the fender and nose/headlight that reminds me of the Paso.
The tank is cool [thumbsup] reminds me of an SS tank.
Does that help?
[laugh]
;D
i can see some of that too, but i think that was a fairly common style.
also, the paso's windscreen is opaque and the mirrors are integrated with the front turn signals, giving rise to the "Admiral Ackbar" look of the Paso from the front.
Quote from: BellissiMoto on January 26, 2009, 07:50:31 PM
Where is the bike located now? I may be interested...
Quizon City, Phillipines.
PM sent also.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on January 27, 2009, 08:36:32 AM
Quizon City, Phillipines.
PM sent also.
pleeeeeeze nooooooooooo
not in the hands of Randall
at about 30 hp, i doubt ppl will be interested in it.
it's the same frame and crankcase as the F1 (750 cc) with a shorter crank and smaller jugs. they were made for markets where wheel tax is imposed based on engine size.
rare yes, exciting NO.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 27, 2009, 08:49:19 AM
at about 30 hp, i doubt ppl will be interested in it.
it's the same frame and crankcase as the F1 (750 cc) with a shorter crank and smaller jugs. they were made for markets where wheel tax is imposed based on engine size.
rare yes, exciting NO.
Yes, but would you cut-up a 750 F1?!? No... But you could build this bike and no purist would scream... My plan (I'm no longer considering the bike) was to drop in a 650Allazura motor with some head work and blast the local canyons on it with the RGV front end and wheels.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on January 27, 2009, 09:06:23 AM
Yes, but would you cut-up a 750 F1?!? No... But you could build this bike and no purist would scream... My plan (I'm no longer considering the bike) was to drop in a 650Allazura motor with some head work and blast the local canyons on it with the RGV front end and wheels.
well, yes, i would scream. the 400F3 was a small-pin swingarm like the F1B, Paso and Sport (Nuovo). You can't drop a large-pin Ally engine into it.
I guess you could sleeve the stock swingarm. It is do-able but not drop in. Bear in mind the swingarm is also about 30% smaller than the 750 (and Allazurra's) so you'll be putting torque on it that it wasn't designed for. Ducati did the same thing on the 600ss (made the swingarm smaller) for weight.
However, importing it is going to be a pregnant dog though. It doesn't make the 25 year cutoff and you'll have to import it 100% stock, add the US DOT/NHTSA stuff (mainly reflectors) and have it EPA certified for the YOM which will be 1986 or 1987. I looked into importing a '90 bike and the RI wanted $3000 for the EPA certs and I would supply the hardware (reflectors and a US spec headlight since it was a UK bike).
FYI Ducati made a 540cc kit for them back in the day. I doubt you can find one now tho.
These pics are a 400 F3 with 750F1 seat (and logos), look at the tiny swingarm.
(http://i15.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/18/50/9b0e_1.JPG)
(http://i4.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/28/9f/71dd_1.JPG)
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 27, 2009, 08:49:19 AM
at about 30 hp, i doubt ppl will be interested in it.
47 hp, according to this site:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/ducati/ducati_400f3%2086.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/ducati/ducati_400f3%2086.htm)
tho that sounds a little optimistic to me.
I've always loved the styling of the F1.
Thank god it's not yellow ;D
Please PM me if you have any yellow bikes with issues, that while simple to fix, I won't accomplish, and thus help stop global warming [roll]
Quote from: Duck-Stew on January 27, 2009, 08:36:32 AM
Quizon City, Phillipines.
PM sent also.
Thanks for the PM,
Definitely a cool bike, with lots of potential, but I'm not up for the risk involved with importing it from the Philippines (for some reason I thought the owner imported it already)...
I was just imagining that you could paint it in the tricolore fashion, modify the frame and drop in an 1100DS motor, reinforce the swingarm with carbon dry, and give it a modern front end with real brakes....
Quote from: bullet boy on January 27, 2009, 12:19:31 PM
47 hp, according to this site:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/ducati/ducati_400f3%2086.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/ducati/ducati_400f3%2086.htm)
tho that sounds a little optimistic to me.
I've always loved the styling of the F1.
wildly optimistic.
the 650cc Pantah had 55 hp, i seriously doubt a 350/400 short stroke engine could develop 47hp (but you never know)
The F3 had the same engine as the Pantah 350XL, with a 66x51 crank/piston and got 27hp from the factory. It is possible the F3s were tuned better, but I just can't see that huge of a jump from the same case.
I think the F3 is great looking but what do I know, I loved my white Paso 750 Limited. The F3 is so Ducati.
Quote from: bobspapa on January 27, 2009, 08:38:09 AM
pleeeeeeze nooooooooooo
not in the hands of Randall
It
IS faired, so it probably
will do 140. ;D
urgh, square headlights should NOT be on motorcycles
although I respect that its a rare, desirable bike (for some, not I)
It's interesting to see some of the opinions that some of you have about the oddball and weird Ducati (Cagiva) bikes of the 80s.
Quote from: DucatiBastard on January 28, 2009, 08:09:50 PM
urgh, square headlights should NOT be on motorcycles
Hmmmm......sorry, but I don't share your sentiments.....I'll take an 851/888 over a Monster ANY day. ;D
I especially like this 851....
(http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Bike%20Directories/Ducati%20Bikes/images/Ducati-851.jpg)
For some other rare Ducatis.....
The 1985 350F3...
(http://www.pantah-club.com/lineup/img/350f3.jpg)
1986 750F1 Montjuich...
(http://www.pantah-club.com/lineup/img/750F1Montjuich.jpg)
1987 750F1 Laguna Seca...
(http://www.pantah-club.com/lineup/img/750f1-lagna.jpg)
1988 750F1 Santamonica...
(http://www.pantah-club.com/lineup/img/750F1Santamonica.jpg)
A prototype 350cc Paso....
(http://www.pantah-club.com/lineup/img/350paso.jpg)
A SuperSport 350...
(http://www.pantah.eu/bilder_prospekte/SS/350ss_a_1.jpg)
A SuperSport 400...
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20400SS%2092.jpg)
And I'll really gross some of you out with the Indiana....
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20650%20Indiana%20%20%201.jpg)
Quote from: DucatiBastard on January 28, 2009, 08:09:50 PM
urgh, square headlights should NOT be on motorcycles
or Jeeps
wow, i always gasp a little when i see an 851 or 888.
i know a former dealer who is now retired and just collects bikes -- he has an 851 that is still in crate-condition except for a cracked right fairing from the shipment -- has ZERO miles on it, never started. he just fogged the engine and it's been in his warehouse for the last 28? years. it's a tricolore too and has slicks and no lights. the bikes came that way and a separate kit for the dealer to make it street legal.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 29, 2009, 06:15:04 AM
wow, i always gasp a little when i see an 851 or 888.
i know a former dealer who is now retired and just collects bikes -- he has an 851 that is still in crate-condition except for a cracked right fairing from the shipment -- has ZERO miles on it, never started. he just fogged the engine and it's been in his warehouse for the last 28? years. it's a tricolore too and has slicks and no lights. the bikes came that way and a separate kit for the dealer to make it street legal.
Too bad it's not
yellow or I'd be all over that one ;)
Quote from: Desmo Demon on January 29, 2009, 05:20:05 AM
1986 750F1 Montjuich...
(http://www.pantah-club.com/lineup/img/750F1Montjuich.jpg)
Out of all those listed, the Montjuich is the only one I'd buy. From what I've read, very close to the race bike it was modeled after. The Laguna Seca and Santamonica are close...but not quite.
Quote from: Triple J on January 29, 2009, 11:13:51 AM
Out of all those listed, the Montjuich is the only one I'd buy. From what I've read, very close to the race bike it was modeled after. The Laguna Seca and Santamonica are close...but not quite.
the Montjuich had a front dumping horizontal exhaust and the SantaMonica and Laguna Seca had rear dumping, like the modern bikes, that is basically the difference. Same HP, brakes, wheels, etc. They had slightly different fairing setups due to the exhaust difference.
I would take any of them provided someone got me the 16" tires to fit!
If it was selling in the USA at this price -- it would be sitting in my garage right now. (not worth the hassle to ship unfortunately)
Quote from: Desmo Demon on January 29, 2009, 05:20:05 AM
It's interesting to see some of the opinions that some of you have about the oddball and weird Ducati (Cagiva) bikes of the 80s.
Thanks for posting those. Prior to seeing the pictures, I had no idea so many Ducati's were utterly ass ugly. How the hell did they stay in business?
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 29, 2009, 12:08:34 PM
Thanks for posting those. Prior to seeing the pictures, I had no idea so many Ducati's were utterly ass ugly. How the hell did they stay in business?
rofl
you need to look at the same-model hondas, kawas and suzys before you are so harsh.
almost all those bikes were considered to be style-leaders.. not the paso or indiana, but definitely the 851, the F1 models and the SS
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 29, 2009, 12:29:27 PM
rofl
you need to look at the same-model hondas, kawas and suzys before you are so harsh.
almost all those bikes were considered to be style-leaders.. not the paso or indiana, but definitely the 851, the F1 models and the SS
It just makes all the comments about the newest monster being ugly and the previous one being a "classic" so much more amusing.
As far as all those bikes-I would so rock the Indiana.
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 29, 2009, 01:08:06 PM
It just makes all the comments about the newest monster being ugly and the previous one being a "classic" so much more amusing.
As far as all those bikes-I would so rock the Indiana.
I definitely see some potential there. I might have to find one and do a bit o' customizing on it. [evil]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 29, 2009, 11:43:31 AM
the Montjuich had a front dumping horizontal exhaust and the SantaMonica and Laguna Seca had rear dumping, like the modern bikes, that is basically the difference. Same HP, brakes, wheels, etc. They had slightly different fairing setups due to the exhaust difference.
I would take any of them provided someone got me the 16" tires to fit!
Nope...at least not according to the book I'm reading. The Montjuich was a true race replica. The Laguna Seca didn't have the lightweight Marvic wheels, or fully floating discs, which you can see in the pics. Some Laguna Secas came with a pillion seat as well, and they all had steel tanks instead of alloy ones. The engine was the same though...you can tell from the pics that the carbeurators are still on the back side on the Laguna Seca and Santa Monica, just like the Montjuich.
The Santa Monica was a hybrid of the Montjuich and Laguna Seca, having the Marvic wheels and floating discs, but the brakes were street-legal Brembo instead of the Goldline racing brakes on the Montjuich. It also had a dual seat and a steel fuel tank like the Laguna Seca.
They're cool in a kind of goofy way, so I'd really only want the Montjuich as the others were compromised a bit. They don't look good enough to pick just any one up. Only 200 Montjuich's were made so fat chance though! [laugh]
Quote from: bozcoRob on January 27, 2009, 12:52:51 PM
Thank god it's not yellow ;D
Fortunately for you it also runs [laugh] [laugh]
Please PM me if you have any yellow bikes with issues, that while simple to fix, I won't accomplish, and thus help stop global warming [roll]
Quote from: MotoCreations on January 29, 2009, 12:01:11 PM
If it was selling in the USA at this price -- it would be sitting in my garage right now. (not worth the hassle to ship unfortunately)
I can give you his email if you want to low-ball offer him...
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 29, 2009, 01:08:06 PM
It just makes all the comments about the newest monster being ugly and the previous one being a "classic" so much more amusing.
As far as all those bikes-I would so rock the Indiana.
i know a guy who has one for sale in NY.. needs a side cover, but otherwise complete.
the chrome plating on the engines peel -- all of them.
Quote from: Triple J on January 29, 2009, 02:14:38 PM
Nope...at least not according to the book I'm reading. The Montjuich was a true race replica. The Laguna Seca didn't have the lightweight Marvic wheels, or fully floating discs, which you can see in the pics. Some Laguna Secas came with a pillion seat as well, and they all had steel tanks instead of alloy ones. The engine was the same though...you can tell from the pics that the carbeurators are still on the back side on the Laguna Seca and Santa Monica, just like the Montjuich.
i forgot about the wheels, those 2-piece jobs are awesome. many of the LS and Santamonicas had floating rotors, a lot of people did not pay the $$$ to replace them when they did, opting for the cheaper 300 mm bevel rotors.
i thought the MJ had the rear dump exhaust, i missed that. Ducati.com says it shares the engine heads with the Paso which is rear dumping.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 29, 2009, 04:23:30 PM
i know a guy who has one for sale in NY.. needs a side cover, but otherwise complete.
the chrome plating on the engines peel -- all of them.
Any idea how much?