http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERFORMANCE-CHIP-DUCATI-MONSTER-749-749R-999-696-750_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem110345787509QQitemZ110345787509QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERFORMANCE-CHIP-DUCATI-MONSTER-749-749R-999-696-750_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem110345787509QQitemZ110345787509QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
I assume it can not, but his feedback is pretty good.
Sorry if this has been brought up before.
Just get 4 of 'em and double the HP!
(I'd say no, btw)
If a manufacturer could get 25 hp out of a 'gizmo'...
wouldn't it be installed from the factory?
I just read the ad.
Someone correct me if im wrong. . .
Monsters do not have Intake air temp sensors, and also do not have MAF (mass air flow sensors) since they run a speed-density type fueling setup.
So what would it wire into? The ad suggests simply by increasing fuel you get all this horsepower. . .
No mention of the need for more air. You need that too.
At some point, cylinder pressure drops as you add all this fuel and power would drop as well. Then after that you'd be washing the cylinder walls with fuel if you kept increasing it.
"Since the air/fuel ratio in injected up-to-date vehicles is regulated by the Electronic Control Unit (ECU) and most factory ECUs are set to maintain a 14.7:1 air/fuel ratio; this is known as a stoichiometric fuel mix, user is unable to trim manually or mechanically this ratio as by early models."
That's not true either. Engines are set up a little more to the rich side than that. 14.7 is ideal, yes. However, ideal does not = drivable (ridable)
This guy sells a lot of snake oil.
Maybe im in the wrong business ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 02, 2009, 05:47:17 PM
If a manufacturer could get 25 hp out of a 'gizmo'...
wouldn't it be installed from the factory?
I think they installed this product on the desmosedici so it must work.
I love how the seller personally attacks almost every negative or neutral commenter by calling them a liar.
I bought one for my '95 M900. I had to uninstall it though because I could keep the front wheel on the ground.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 02, 2009, 05:48:14 PM
I just read the ad.
Someone correct me if im wrong. . .
Monsters do not have Intake air temp sensors, and also do not have MAF (mass air flow sensors) since they run a speed-density type fueling setup.
So what would it wire into? The ad suggests simply by increasing fuel you get all this horsepower. . .
No mention of the need for more air. You need that too.
At some point, cylinder pressure drops as you add all this fuel and power would drop as well. Then after that you'd be washing the cylinder walls with fuel if you kept increasing it.
"Since the air/fuel ratio in injected up-to-date vehicles is regulated by the Electronic Control Unit (ECU) and most factory ECUs are set to maintain a 14.7:1 air/fuel ratio; this is known as a stoichiometric fuel mix, user is unable to trim manually or mechanically this ratio as by early models."
That's not true either. Engines are set up a little more to the rich side than that. 14.7 is ideal, yes. However, ideal does not = drivable (ridable)
This guy sells a lot of snake oil.
Maybe im in the wrong business ;D
you wrong they do have an air temp and altertude censor and they dont give that much horse power but they do work its been the best mod ive put on my bike cause i cany afford a dpecu and other people are going in another direction and putting adjustable o2 gadget that let them adjust fueling , if your bike surges it will fix that
Quote from: bazz20 on February 03, 2009, 04:13:57 AM
you wrong they do have an air temp and altertude censor and they dont give that much horse power but they do work its been the best mod ive put on my bike cause i cany afford a dpecu and other people are going in another direction and putting adjustable o2 gadget that let them adjust fueling , if your bike surges it will fix that
So if I followed correctly.... you have used, or are currently using this or a similar version and it actually works to some degree?
Is there a real difference in performance or what? How noticeable is the increase?
Thanks!
I'm certainly not a FI guru, and I've been wrong before, but I don't see how that could provide anything but minor gains and maybe some throttle response.
For $40, buy one, if it does ANYTHING, it's worth it.
Quote from: Jimmy Ducati on February 03, 2009, 06:04:29 AM
So if I followed correctly.... you have used, or are currently using this or a similar version and it actually works to some degree?
Is there a real difference in performance or what? How noticeable is the increase?
Thanks!
I think his thread was an attempt at a joke.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on February 03, 2009, 08:34:21 AM
I think his thread was an attempt at a joke.
mitt
wasnt he the guy that started the thread about the one he purchased? Maybe it wasnt him, but someone DID buy one of these doohicks and slaped it onto the barametric sensor near the front gauge. He claimed to have a up in HP. I doubt it did, it may have just smoothen the bike out like the fatduc O2 thingy.
It makes sense what it does, but i still think putting a mod on the o2 is better than putting it at the air sensor because the o2 can still lean out the mixture due to the denser O2.
Quote from: He Man on February 03, 2009, 09:42:08 AM
wasnt he the guy that started the thread about the one he purchased? Maybe it wasnt him, but someone DID buy one of these doohicks and slaped it onto the barametric sensor near the front gauge. He claimed to have a up in HP. I doubt it did, it may have just smoothen the bike out like the fatduc O2 thingy.
It makes sense what it does, but i still think putting a mod on the o2 is better than putting it at the air sensor because the o2 can still lean out the mixture due to the denser O2.
I started the thread, but I have never used one.
Bazz20 I think said he has used one with some success.
His post wasn't worded so well, but I don't think he was
joking. I figure it is a scam, but their Ebay feedback is
fairly consistent.
Quote from: Jimmy Ducati on February 03, 2009, 12:44:56 PM
I started the thread, but I have never used one.
Bazz20 I think said he has used one with some success.
His post wasn't worded so well, but I don't think he was
joking. I figure it is a scam, but their Ebay feedback is
fairly consistent.
Consistent ebay feedback does not mean the item works. It means they ship it to you in a timely manner.
My ebay feedback for cow pies is close to 99% positive ;)
Quote from: MrIncredible on February 03, 2009, 01:04:04 PM
Consistent ebay feedback does not mean the item works. It means they ship it to you in a timely manner.
My ebay feedback for cow pies is close to 99% positive ;)
True to a point, but I know I do not leave feedback till I know
if whatever I bought works. That is just me.
"It works" is subjective... in this case. You may want your $40 to be well spent. This thing probably does work, but id bet, (and im sure mnay others would to) that you wont get 25hp bump. Hell i bet it woudnt even do a double digit bump.
i would love for someone to have a performance shootout of all the crap like this
1.) Adjustable performance "chips"
2.) Tornado intake swirler thingy
3.) ......
Quote from: MrFry - Cycles on February 04, 2009, 12:05:15 PM
i would love for someone to have a performance shootout of all the crap like this
1.) Adjustable performance "chips"
2.) Tornado intake swirler thingy
3.) ......
3) fuel line magnets that "ionize" the fuel in the right orientation
4) .....
Those tornado intake things crack me up. They do make something that adds velocity to the air going into the inake, it's called a turbo/supercharger/etc. The tornado is a sparkly gadget fan that no one can even see, I'd imagine this chip has about the same effectiveness.
Fuel line magnets? Aren't those the things that rebuild the crystalline structure of the hydrogen molecules in your fuel (leaded, high octane only) so they have a higher explosion coefficient once they enter the combustion manifold? I thought about it, but the price was too high.
Quote from: Jarvicious on February 04, 2009, 02:11:32 PM
Those tornado intake things crack me up. They do make something that adds velocity to the air going into the inake, it's called a turbo/supercharger/etc. The tornado is a sparkly gadget fan that no one can even see, I'd imagine this chip has about the same effectiveness.
my favorite was pulling one out of a customers Turbocharged car...
so lets see, this thing swirls the air; then this now spiraling air hits a turbine.... yeah, i don't see any issue there. [roll]
now back to the task at hand
chances are all this chip does is 'trick' the computer into reading a different from the O2 sensors which can either richen up the mixture or lean it out.
chances are it won't do a damn bit of good
just my $0.02
Myth Busters did the magnets on the fuel line with a car on a Dyno and it was busted.
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/exploding_trousers_great_gas_conspiracy.html (http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/exploding_trousers_great_gas_conspiracy.html)
Quote from: eichh on February 05, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
Myth Busters did the magnets on the fuel line with a car on a Dyno and it was busted.
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/exploding_trousers_great_gas_conspiracy.html (http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/exploding_trousers_great_gas_conspiracy.html)
That is just sad that myth busters actually did something to bust it. It is so ridiculus that it shouldn't of even been on the radar to bust.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on February 05, 2009, 06:00:31 AM
That is just sad that myth busters actually did something to bust it. It is so ridiculus that it shouldn't of even been on the radar to bust.
mitt
You never know until you have some data to back up the claim, regardless how ridiculous it might seen. I've seen some crazier tests on that show and they never seize to amaze me. :)
Don't forget the Split Fire spark plugs...... "Hit your passing gear & you're gone....like right now!"
Despite all the nay-sayers. The +25hp claim is a misnomer as it refers to results achieved with some of their car chips. They use the same ad for all their chips, all they do is change the title of the auction to fit the application you are searching for. Even if the magnum performance chip doesn't increase HP at all, it would be a worthwhile mod to prevent a bike with less restrictive after market pipes and air filter, and stock ECU, from running too lean. FWIW, I'm fitting one on my 696 at the same time I fit a set of non catalyst, no db killer, pipes on. I'm doing a before and after dyno test and tune, and will post results here.
Getting an extra 25 HP out of a 400 HP car motor is entirely possible. (appox. 5%) Expecting to get another 25 HP out of a motor that only produces only 80 HP is ridiculous. You need to read the entire add and understand that the chip is designed and built in Hungary for a wide variety of applications. The Europeans expect consumers to have a LITTLE common sense. On a 696 you can expect about a 3-5 HP increase, and with proper setup, a correct A:F ratio. Oh, by the way, I don't work for magnum performance, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express!
Quote from: mitt on February 04, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
3) fuel line magnets that "ionize" the fuel in the right orientation
4) .....
4) Carbon dry PROTEC will make your part 300-500% stronger
5)..........
Quote from: bozcoRob on February 10, 2009, 06:12:39 AM
4) Carbon dry PROTEC will make your part 300-500% stronger
5)..........
Okay that's just mean. Seriously, if your part were made out of paper mache I could easily see PROTEC helping ;D
As for this "chip" I could see this an an alternative for folks with surging issues. Beyond that, no bike comes from the factory with a fuel/air map in the ECU so messed up that this could possibly result in anything other than a few HP.
The only "snake oil" product I've seen with any data to back it up are those NG / Hydrogen injectors for Diesel engines. And that's a pretty special case and those kits are not cheap...