Ducati Monster Forum

Hi Everyone,

After a frustrating year of delays and vendors not wanting to work to my level of perfection, we are very close to production of the Monster Track Tank. The model is the MTT43, where the 43 stands for 4.3 gallons.

Updated Jul 26 : Carbureted version of the tank is for sale. (see last post)

Updated: Current pics here in our photo gallery (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?dir=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2F&startpic=0)!

(original post)
The biggest hurdle was the fuel filler cap area. As I mentioned in these two (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=14605.0) different threads (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=14209), the filler was originally not at all satisfactory. As you see in the above pic, my work on replacing that part of the mold paid off. At the same time, I added metal to the mold to allow the tank better fitment on S2R models. Other changes in the interim were more precise locating of the threaded holes for the fuel flange plate as well as the required technology for the carb'd monsters to have their own version of the tank.

We are having poly custom ground to match the red, yellow, and "senna gray" of Ducati parts that we sent to the source. The MTT43 will be available in black, red, yellow, gray, natural / clear, and white. The tanks are NOT paintable, as nothing sticks to the poly.

The Monster Track Tank will be priced aggressively to make it easy for you to get the tank for trackday use and then preserve your costly original tank. You get 4.3 gallons for $430. We believe in supporting your local dealers, so there are dealer pricing programs, too.

De ja vu: it seems like I was excited about this tank 2 years ago??  [roll] [bang] Barring the extraordinary, these will be ready to ship by the end of the month.

Thanks,
Chris
 ;D

I think you might have to put me down for one for my 695...   ;D

Wow, excellent work!!  I was looking through the other threads earlier today (while cleaning the gas out of the airbox and crankcase of the Bandit  [roll]  -- vacuum-actuated petcock went south), and I couldn't find any pics.

This looks great!   [thumbsup]

Nice!!!  [thumbsup]

Can we get pics at different angles of the whole bike with the tank on?  Please?

Also the bottom side of the tank also?  Please?

What will this fit??

Pix of diff colors too please. May be interested, one thing i cant stand is having to refuel constantly on my monster

devastating.....I bigger tank and I can't spray the pearl white on it. :(

great job though chris

Awesome work!  [clap] [clap]

Also, tho I laughed at their math skills, nice job getting the MH900E replacement tank mentioned in this month's issue of "Sport Rider."  [bow_down]

will the tank colors be glossy like the factory paint? I have a 07 S4rs in black and I'm curious if the black on the tank will be the same black.

Other pics/angles would be great! Looks like a good solution  [thumbsup]

You say the tanks are not paintable as "nothing sticks to the poly"

Poly what? (just curious)

Most plastics are paintable today.

It almost sounds like a challenge.   ;D

The difference between one-off items and true production manufactured items is in the tooling created to make them.  You definitely stepped big time up to the plate on this one!  Even with the headaches, vendor problems, re-engineering, etc -- you have obviously persevered in getting your vision of the product finished and to the marketplace shortly.  It should be a good selling product once the publicity is out there making everyone aware of it being "for sale" and at a more than reasonable price. (less than 1/3 the price of a factory tank!)

Congrats for a job well done.  [thumbsup]

polyethylene (from his previous posts)

Thanks....

Polyethylene can be painted.

just sayin'.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooooo no Dark


so what kind of range are we looking at ..about 300kms per tank ?

Thanks for the welcoming responses, everyone! :)

And thanks Mark, your praise carries some serious weight!

About the painting... cross linked poly allows fuel vapor to leak out. While the permeability of the tanks is acceptable to air standards, paint won't like it. Nylon isn't permeable (or barely so), so it can be painted. The thing is, nylon absorbs gasoline and can grow, which is a symptom some OEM nylon tanks are having. I have been told by another company that it could be painted and that the tank needs a wipe-down with acetone and then gets flamed. If you're interested in testing this, I can get you a tank that's mostly sealed that you can paint and fill with gasoline. Here's a case where I would love to be proven wrong.  ;D  I believe if the tanks are paintable, there would be many more options for the end solution and more customers might want them.

There will be white; however, it will be a plain and boring white and not with pearl in it. :( I'm actually quite thankful for my current sales rep, as his position about having fuel in the plastic parts he makes for me is more conservative than others I have dealt with. The last gentleman I worked with would throw anything together to try and get me happy. The current rep said he is ok for doing that with anything but gasoline. To get the other colors, they would mix in colored poly with the natural ones but the result is that not all colors bond well to the poly and you can have an inconsistent material. It has to do with the "cross linking" process -- and until the custom blends show up, we're limited to black, white, blue, and natural.

I haven't done any/many pics of the tank on the bike for a few reasons... the red and yellow sample tanks appear very wrong on a Ducati (so we're having custom poly made for us) and the black tanks are not representative of the end product. Once the mold is polished, the tank should have quite the shiny appearance. And I will experiment with post-production surface treatments: maybe we can have the outside bead blasted to create a "dark" version.

Depending on a mileage, 4.3 gallons should be good for up to 150 miles without a problem. If you regularly get 40mpg or greater, then 160+ miles. The bottom of the tank will have a few versions at the back of the tank. In the middle, I had to add metal to the mold to allow clearance for the tallest bits on my S2R.

Thanks -- I'm so excited about this & hope we can be shipping parts by the end of the month. :)
Thanks,
Chris

That explains the adhesion problem.

I learned something.  [thumbsup]

+1

much respect from me for this!

A couple of questions/comments:

I assume this's got the post 2000 seat cutout shape? So a pre-2000 bike would be able to use it but would need a post-2000 seat as well? What's the range of plumbing options? Is it an easy thing to switch hoses for carbs as well as FI bikes? Are the hinge and keylock areas compatible through the whole Monster range? Even the new bikes (696s and 1100s?)

curious-big

Nice to see it coming to market!

But, I had hoped for the original 5 gallon tank.

Still  [thumbsup]

One more question :)...What is the weight difference between this tank, and the current S2r plastic tanks?

thanks Chris for thinking of the Dark option


hopefully there won't be a problem shipping to Canada

Hey Chris, weren't you originally shooting for 5G?

Did chris take into account the fuel pump already in the 4.3gal?

4.3 gal is .5 gal more or 17.5 miles than the OEM tank on a RS model. 

Does this design take advantage of the space freed up from having the top of the air filter off?

Back in the day my old beemer held 6.4 gal.  Now that's enough gas to make you appreciate a rest stop.

The tank looks great and the price is right. [thumbsup]

LA

Actually, the seat / tank interface was designed to work with both carby and efi seats. This is possible because the tank is smooth above the seat & doesn't try to fit to the seat. The area at the front of the tank has 3 holes for the hinges, as there are 2 different kinds of hinges across the original Monster family. Under the tank, there are going to be 2 distinct flavors of the tank... the carb'd version and the EFI version. Technically, someone could buy the EFI version and the adaptor plate we are developing (which is intended for the metal tank'd efi bikes) and use the tank for carb'd OR efi.

The carb'd version has a closed off bottom with a 1/4" NPT female fitting and the big M30 fitting for the fuel sender to go in. The EFI version of the tank has a huge hole (roughly 4" across) and the 6 holes for the bolts. The EFI version of the tank will be immediately compatible with the S2R and other nylon tank'd monsters. The adaptor plate we're making will have the big M30 fitting and 2 1/4" NPT fittings, which will enable us to fit a fuel pump to. A carb'd bike can simply plug off the unused NPT fitting and it is done. The adaptor plate is going to be at least $100. We'll see what we can do to get the cost down on that, but until these tanks are really flying off the shelf, production of the adaptor flange is going to be done in expensively small lots.

The hinge area is compatible with the S2R, so for the carby tank models and the adaptor plate, we will include the proper mount.

The 696 and 1100 have internal tanks that are completely dissimilar to the classic monsters. They are like the HM1100 or MH900e and have a rotomolded tank underneath plastic covers.


Yeah, we had hopes it would be 5 gallons. Looks are deceiving.

No, but you can fill up something and drop in a fuel pump & measure the volume it displaces. Probably less than 8 ounces...


Thanks!


You're welcome! No problems shipping this tank. I recall the box we are using is accommodated by the post service.

MTT43: 8.35 lb, Ducati nylon tank: 13.20 lb, the difference is 4.85 lb.

Also, the MTT43 has shown not to touch the pavement in a low speed crash. (Yes, has already been crash tested)

;D Chris

Now that's dedication to your customers right there.  [beer]

Was Spidey involved in the crash testing since he's the official crash test dummy of the DMF?

Chris:

Will it fit with a stock airbox? Or is it mainly designed for track use (open bellmouths).

Thanks Tim

Hi LA,

Thanks for writing back. This tank is compatible with the airbox having its lid -- my intention was to not eliminate folks keeping the airbox. It is theoretically possible that I could cut and reweld the mold to cut that corner, but let's focus on what I've got now first. To come up with 4.3 gallons, we actually poured water into one of the tanks from a milk jug until it was obviously close ... and then we got another 40 oz pouring from a metered cup. I wonder what would happen if I did that to the stock nylon tank. ;)

Thanks,
Chris

Will this work for my 07' S4RS?  I was under the impression that the fuel pump was a different shape.  Thanks

When we have our own fuel flange for our tank, yes it should work on a S4Rs.

And yes, your fuel flange plate is oval. Your fuel pump is identical to the one in an S2R800 or the one that we will be supplying with our fuel flange plate.

Thanks!
Chris

We will be getting in sample tanks this week!

Then production will begin as early as next week. No matter how small the changes are, my preference is always to test what would be the final product before ordering a production run. We are also waiting for the custom compounded red and yellow poly to come in. We had the materials supplier color match bodywork samples for the safe-for-fuel compound poly. The red was perfect but they needed to rework the yellow.

:) Chris

Great news and it looks great!

Bookmarking when I get some scratch.

Click any to go to full size higher res versions:

(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_00.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_00.jpg&non_lr=1)

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(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_01.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_01.jpg&non_lr=1)

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(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_02.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_02.jpg&non_lr=1)

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(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_03.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_w_s2r_03.jpg&non_lr=1)
(is offset to the left so I'm not showing up in the mirror!)

Foreground shows how the tanks came out of the mold before it got polished. Next to these is the same tank in "natural" which would allow you to see the fuel level.

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(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_0_shiny.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_0_shiny.jpg&non_lr=1)

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... hi-res version shows enough detail so that you can see that the finish isn't 100% awesome. Getting a perfect finish is impossible as this is a cast mold. The finish is similar to OEM dirtbike tanks, only we currently have some outward pitting that I'll try to remove with more polishing. The three mounting holes for the ski boot tank latch are to accommodate all years of Monster's latches.

(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_1_shiny.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_1_shiny.jpg&non_lr=1)

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The brighter patch at top left of the tank's bottom is lower height than the rest of the bottom. The cutout up to the right is extra room for 5.9 ecu wiring and connectors. Here again, the finish of the plastic isn't "painted" level of quality, but is attractive and shiny.

(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_2_bottom.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_2_bottom.jpg&non_lr=1)

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Left side is the "natural" tank flavor in the carbureted variant. The big fitting is for fuel level sender. Medium one below it is 1/4" npt for gas. (Yes, it needs the plastic drilled out of it) And the small fitting common to all tanks is connected to the filler via a hose and is a fuel filler drain. Right hand tank is for S2R-type fuel flanges found on all non-testastretta Monsters with OEM nylon/plastic tanks.

For the testastretta and metal tank'd Monsters, we will be making our own fuel flange plate, complete with fuel pump. Note that the industrious individuals will be able to get the "efi" version of our tank with the Cycleworks fuel flange and the tank can be used for carb'd or efi models.  ;D

(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_3_efi_carb.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_3_efi_carb.jpg&non_lr=1)

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(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_4_tank_notes.jpg) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?display=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_detail_4_tank_notes.jpg&non_lr=1)

At this time, I will work on improving the mold so the tanks don't have any scaly areas on them. The tanks look great, but would be better if I could eliminate these small raised rough bits.

;D Chris

Thanks Chris, you get  [bacon] for this.

Beautiful job Chris!!

I think you'll sell a lot of these...they would be great to swap in for track days, and perhaps for longer rides/trips.  All types of riders will be interested.

 [beer]   [moto]

What's the price again on these tanks?

$430 and they have lifetime warranty.

Wow, that's really not that bad. Have we determined whether or not they are paintable? I know Nate had some insight...

...and Chris convinced me I was misguided. ;)

My new Monster had a lifetime warranty.... provided it didn't live more than 2 years!  :D

We're still going to give it a try. I'd love to learn HOW to make these paintable. There's a racer in the midwest that has a good paint guy he's working with, so we'll get him a tank and see what they come up with. Ducpainter, you're welcome to try, too, just let me know. My goal is to have a painter who is motivated to make it work do the prep, etc, instead of someone who could quickly be defeated by failure (like the typical folks near me).

:) Chris

Thanks guys!! I wasn't sure what I'd be getting when I put the white tank on my S2R800, but I really like it! It goes so well on the bike. I need to get my fuel flange back and start riding it! :)

I think if you have your mold copper plated several times then nickel plated it should give you the ultra smooth shiny surface you are looking for.

The real issue in my view is you won't know about the failure for quite a while. I have no doubt I can get paint to stick to PE. Add fuel 'outgassing', for lack of a better term, through the surface and breaking the bond is a real challenge.

I also have no doubt that it could be done. Would the added cost be worth it?

Are there any products available to seal the tank from the inside to prevent the:

Something kinda similar to POR 15 for metal tanks?

I'm no chemist...

I would think there would be issues in getting something to stick to the inside the same as the outside. Adhesion to all plastics requires an adhesion promoter of some sort.

There are primers that will stick with mechanical abrasion, but how do you mechanically abrade the inside or apply an adhesion promoter, which needs to be applied in a very thin coat?

That's an awesome looking tank!  Very 996/998/999 shape that actually flows with the lines of the bike very well!!  Considering the rather lousy range of my S2R1K, I'm thinking once you've got paint to stick to these things, one might find it's way into my maintenance budget!
W

I will be running this tank on my race bike starting in May. I've got a paint rep. that wants to try the procedure mentioned, so I'll be finding out if these can hold paint or not. I've worked out a program with Chris that I'm very excited about. I can't wait to put this tank through the ultimate test...which is surviving a race season. I will post updates on how the tank is doing throughout the season. It will see plenty of track time because I will also be coaching a performance riding school.

I can tell you from plenty of experience that the shape of this tank is far superior to the traditional Monster tank for track riding. It takes a different technique to corner hard on the stock tank. This tank will give your outside knee something to hold onto, which is how sportbike tanks are designed.
I'm also very excited to lose the extra weight. I've been using an S2r tank and this one is even lighter!
The extra fuel capacity will be great for endurance racing also.

One more way that this tank is far superior to the stock one has not been mentioned yet. The stock steel tanks will leak around the hinge plate if you even drop the bike sitting still. They leak like crazy unless you re weld the whole hinge plate. If you want to do trackdays, you really should consider that as a potential problem for your stock tank.

I will keep everyone updated throughout the season [beer]

Keep us posted, this is awesome.

Wow, it turns out looking really good. Now I find myself starting a second penny jar.

Chris,
I don't know that these tanks will do it but something to look into and advise customers would be the possible "Yellowing" of the Natural Tanks. Us "DirtBike" guys are all to familiar with this phenom on all aftermarket natural plastic tanks.

They don't maintain the nice new color like the colored ones do. Now the advantage especially in racing duty where you may not have a level gauge is that it is a lot easier to actually see the level of the fuel.

Nice job on them and hope you sell lots of them.

Thanks. Yes, but a larger issue is the tank finish and how scratchable the PE is. This is why the price is low and we're introducing it as a track tank -- it should be bought with expectations slightly different from a OEM tank.

Progress on the MTT43 is stalled a little bit. The HM69 Hypermotard tanks got done and I've been 100% focussed on those. I want to try and improve the finish on the MTT43 mold and then we're working out a solution for the fuel flange area. We have a specially designed part to go in there but it is getting warped upon part cooling. I suspect that will be fixed by putting a fixture on it.

I'm trying to block sand the mold the same way auto body guys work car bodies: "sponge" block, 1200 grit, 1500, 2000, then 3000........ I'm kinda  [bang] but I'm stubborn about getting the optimal quality out of my products so it will be [bacon] and [drink] before too long.

;D Chris

Wondering if it would be possible to have some kind of vinyl heat shrunk around the tank? Or maybe dip the whole thing in a liquid vinyl - if that even exists as an option? Color by choice?

Not sure. That's part of the joy of working with plastic: the possibilities are truly limitless. The folks I have regular contact with are well into their normal mode of operation. They're not closed minded: they just don't have need to try weird stuff so they don't. Ultimately, people have a real hard time making things stick to polyethylene. I don't know if cross linking the polyethylene makes it worse.

They've talked about the concept of a "double shot" where one plastic goes for a round and then they run the part again with another plastic. They're willing to try anything for which I can provide industry reference / experience on. Their previous experience with duron, delrin, nylon, and double shot parts went poorly. So I am now pretty careful about mentioning off the wall stuff until I'm told by someone in that industry "yeah, we've done rotomolded polyethylene".   ;)

So my initial thoughts about a vinyl is that it will bubble up, tear and peel off, or simply not work at all. It would need to bind with the polyethylene somehow. As always I want to be proven wrong. ;) One thing I know[/i/ about this plastic stuff is that the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know much at all.

:) Chris

This is the case on dirt bike tanks and graphics. They would bubble up, so the kits I've seen are perforated.

if you figure out a way to paint them without problems I think I may need to get one of these............(then I'll need to get a 749 fairing to my on my monster too [cheeky]

would this be the reason the new bikes have a plastic panels over the tanks?

oh man, i think that's the reason... ugh...

one of many. see the "tank issues" threads...  >:(

It probably saves customers $$$ to have rotationally molded PEX tanks underneath covers instead of nylon tanks that are painted.

Various ways tank under covers saves Ducati (and us) money:

• The tanks are much less costly -- in both materials and that they don't get painted
• Less $$$,$$$ tied up in the supply system
• Not having color choices means drastic reduction in inventory: 1 part (black), vs: red, black, dark, silver, etc etc
• Shipping and handling is less costly because PEX tanks can be scratched and it doesn't matter
• Cost savings from opening boxes and not having to return a tank because it is scratched
• Easier for dealers to serve customers through less wait, less cost
• Better for the environment

I like how the Hypermotard is done... 2 painted injection molded side panels and a "dark" injection molded top panel. IMHO, this is the way of the future. Given the problems Ducati is having with the nylon tanks absorbing gasoline and deforming means we will probably see tanks under covers on more models.

:) Chris

*threadjack*

I saw one of your tanks on a Hyper this weekend. Very nice!  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Ah cool, thanks!  :)

they do double and triple rotomolding in the sea kayak industry. This may work actually. Take a look at Capella kayaks.

hey Chris, status check?  I know you were working on the hyper tank but I'd really like to get a tank for my s4rs :D  thanks

I was kind of waiting on the fuel flange plates we were having made ... and they came in today. I am block-sanding the molds to try and improve the finish. Both sides are finish sanded, one of the sides is mostly machine polished. The top mold hasn't had any work done yet at all.

You actually have Intuit and Micro$oft to blame for the current delay, though... we use quickbook$ for accounting and payroll (their payroll is super easy) ... well, they are discontinuing the use of QB06 for payroll this month, forcing us to upgrade. So as to continue shipping items and earn money, I bought a new computer and XP pro SP3 license to do the QB09 stuff to... Our setup didn't work. So I worked on it for over a week. Then fired the AMD and ran out and bought a Lenovo 3GHz Core Duo, which we were able to make work (and using now). The lenovo is a great computer and is surprisingly faster than the old P4 and the Quad Core AMD we were trying to make work. Best of all, it was a return, so was $379. I have got to say I'm really tired of watching windows restart. Holy crap it's bad. Linux is so amazing. I believe I can have a linux web server completely set up faster than it takes to install XP Pro and QB09.

Soooo? I'm back on it and hope it'll be ready sooner than later. :)

Thanks!
Chris

I used to admin MS web servers but for the past 4 years I've been using linux/apache and I agree its much straightforward getting everything setup and running.  You just have to be willing to get your hands dirty and use a command line.

Thanks for the update.

I bought a 1/3-hp foredom tool today to help with the grinding... I'm using all sorts of rot-o-loc conditioning discs to relieve metal in various places. Wow, some of the pitting was really bad, so I'm busting it down to just the normally expected porosity that is present almost everywhere.

The MTT43 is ready to sell for the carb'd bikes.
Once I get an ETA for the compounded red and yellow for us, I'll actually add them to the catalog.


For the injected models, we're still working with flange rigidity. Right now, the o-ring pushes the plastic out of the way and fuel seeps out between the flange bolts. [bang] Once we find a reliable fix for this, we'll sell the efi variant of the tank, too.


Wow, has it really been a month and a half? *groan* I killed 2 foredom tools. [bang] Oops. They don't understand how it's possible. Ah well, so back to the pneumatic die grinders and I finally got the top of the mold done and to the plastics plant. If anyone with a carbureted Monster wants a tank, let us know and we can brew a production batch of these before the EFI type is sorted out.

:) Chris

pm sent

We really appreciate the great feedback from those of you who visited us at our vendor booth at Laguna Seca MotoGP!!

We are ready and starting to sell the MTT43 tank for carbureted bikes now. Available for shipping: black, white, and natural colors. In the near future, we will have red available. Yellow and other colors will be available once demand has been established.

Why not the efi tanks?!! I'm personally disappointed that we're not ready with the efi version. Rather than the typical method of simply setting the inserts individually (like we do on all the other tanks), we tried a pre-formed ring insert to put the inserts perfectly in place. While this seemed to be the best precision and the way to go, it ultimately is making too much trouble for the fuel pump flange. To fix this and get the mold to work means cutting it apart, making a new entire flange area, and re-welding it. We're already too much money into trying to make the efi flange work. With the impending move, we don't have the time to work on the mold. With the next few projects in the works, we won't have the time or extra money to spend on the mold. So we're going to get the mold working for us and run tanks for carb'd Monsters. That will help justify the $$$$ needed to tweak it for the efi version.

Thanks!!
Chris

out with the old, in with the new :)
(http://www.ziptied.com/Coppermine/albums/userpics/10366/side_by_side.jpg)

Sweet!!  ;D

Thanks, man! It's great to start seeing these on customers' bikes!

:) Chris

FI tanks please, thanks...

Chris - you should make standard shape ones to replace the crap expanding Monster tanks...then sell them to Ducati NA so they can replace them with a part that won't just expand again!  ;)

 ;D

That thing is huge. Any pics on a bike?

I should have noted lol, the old tank is sitting on the ground while the new one is on a stool, but it is definetly bigger, jus not as much as the pic shows.  Chris took a couple pics after I got the tank thrown on, I try to stay away from taking pics cuz all I have is my phone for a camera :) couldn't resist the teaser shot though

Yes, we have to re-do the mold on the bottom where the inserts are. We re-did it once already to use some specially made circular spacers, but we couldn't get them working. So the mold gets re-done again. That's not going to happen until after we've moved. Probably.


I have plans for that, actually. I need capitol funding for that and/or 100 really serious buyers. It's not as easy as one would think.


Yes! In our updated MTT43 web photo gallery (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/?dir=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster):


(http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/index.php?displaypic=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster%2Fmtt43_009.jpg)
 (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/gallery/?dir=Fuel_tanks%2FMonster)