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Title: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: Carstarphen on February 11, 2009, 07:07:32 AM A modification that works as advertised:
I trailered my '08 S4Rs to PJ's in Albuquerque yesterday for the 600 mile service and for installation of a full Termi system. I had read the information at the DP site claiming a 13 hp increase with installation of the full system. I suspected and anticipated that statement to be somewhat optimistic. PJ's did before and after dyno runs that were very interesting. Torque increased from 65.47 ft llbs to 71.90 ft lbs. An increase in torque was fairly consistent from 6,000 rpm to 11,000 rpm. Horsepower increased from 112.68 to 125.48, an increase of 12.8 (or call it 13) hp. The hp increase was also consistent in the same rpm range. The "after" hp and torque lines were smoother than the "before" lines. The "after" torque peaked at about 8,000 rpm and then dropped off slightly. Horsepower peaked and flattened at about 9,500 rpm. Assuming that the dyno runs were accurate, the full Termi system is a modification that really does do what it says it will do. We are all accustomed to the extravagant claims made by aftermarket exhaust makers so I'm very pleased with my new exhaust. I have no idea what the results would have been if the baffles had been installed and really like the sans baffles sound. I hope my neighbors do. PJ's is a good dealership. The service department did the work as promised for the price that was estimated in advance. I will schedule my next service with PJ's. The weather in Albuquerque was miserable but thankfully I was inside all day. Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: DucNrun on February 11, 2009, 08:03:57 AM Thanks for the report. [thumbsup] Could you post up your dyno sheets?
Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: Raux on February 11, 2009, 10:43:47 AM glad you had a good experience. i know you were wondering which dealer to go to. great that it all worked out.
Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: sfarchie on February 11, 2009, 10:47:54 AM Cool! Make a vid, too. It would be nice to hear what it sounds like.
Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: dbran1949 on February 11, 2009, 02:17:45 PM Your results are almost identical to the results on my 2007 S4RS. I think they are accurate. Remember this mod is a lot more than just pipes. The ECU dumps a lot more fuel into the throttle bodies. Also the front wheel used to come up a lot before the mod, now it is really light.
As for the neighbors. I push my bike into the street now before I start it Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: DucMouse the Mighty on February 11, 2009, 02:44:21 PM A modification that works as advertised: I trailered my '08 S4Rs to PJ's in Albuquerque yesterday for the 600 mile service and for installation of a full Termi system. I had read the information at the DP site claiming a 13 hp increase with installation of the full system. I suspected and anticipated that statement to be somewhat optimistic. PJ's did before and after dyno runs that were very interesting. Torque increased from 65.47 ft llbs to 71.90 ft lbs. An increase in torque was fairly consistent from 6,000 rpm to 11,000 rpm. Horsepower increased from 112.68 to 125.48, an increase of 12.8 (or call it 13) hp. The hp increase was also consistent in the same rpm range. The "after" hp and torque lines were smoother than the "before" lines. The "after" torque peaked at about 8,000 rpm and then dropped off slightly. Horsepower peaked and flattened at about 9,500 rpm. Assuming that the dyno runs were accurate, the full Termi system is a modification that really does do what it says it will do. We are all accustomed to the extravagant claims made by aftermarket exhaust makers so I'm very pleased with my new exhaust. I have no idea what the results would have been if the baffles had been installed and really like the sans baffles sound. I hope my neighbors do. PJ's is a good dealership. The service department did the work as promised for the price that was estimated in advance. I will schedule my next service with PJ's. The weather in Albuquerque was miserable but thankfully I was inside all day. i luv the guys at pjs, they treat me well [thumbsup] but u came the one day we have our shitty weather in months [laugh] next time ur in town hit some of the posse up, maybe we can meet ya for some lunch or something [thumbsup] Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: Carstarphen on February 11, 2009, 03:27:25 PM Thanks for the report. [thumbsup] Could you post up your dyno sheets? DucNrun, I would be very interested in your interpretation of the results. See below: (http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm448/lawyermillsap/Dyno%20Results/DYNO1.jpg) (http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm448/lawyermillsap/Dyno%20Results/DYNO3.jpg) (http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm448/lawyermillsap/Dyno%20Results/DYNO2.jpg) Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: Carstarphen on February 11, 2009, 03:32:59 PM Cool! Make a vid, too. It would be nice to hear what it sounds like. sfarchie, If you will go to YouTube and put in the words "S4Rs, Termi, or Termignoni, and full," you will find several video clips with sound posted by riders who have just installed the full Termi system. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwW_VvAnR04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwW_VvAnR04) and also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF7g8git1F4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF7g8git1F4) Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: Carstarphen on February 11, 2009, 03:35:47 PM glad you had a good experience. i know you were wondering which dealer to go to. great that it all worked out. Raux, thanks much for your valuable input and kind assistance. Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: Raux on February 11, 2009, 07:19:23 PM not a problem. by the way. that is a tremendous dip in the torque chart at 5500 rpm. what did they say about that when they installed?
Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: Carstarphen on February 11, 2009, 08:02:37 PM not a problem. by the way. that is a tremendous dip in the torque chart at 5500 rpm. what did they say about that when they installed? As you know, horsepower is calculated by determining the torque value times rpm and dividing by 5252 as I recall. Note that there is no appreciable dip in horsepower at 5500 rpm. And, generally, it's better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm with a motorcycle with a gear box. The bike runs very well now with smooth and strong acceleration. So I'm really not concerned with the dip you noticed. Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: DucSteve on February 11, 2009, 10:13:42 PM After getting the full Termi system with ECU and Airbox, my s2r1000 dyoned at 95hp to the rear wheel on an accurate dyno. The bike stock is 95hp to the crank. Nice increase I'd say
Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: dbran1949 on February 12, 2009, 09:16:46 AM As you know, horsepower is calculated by determining the torque value times rpm and dividing by 5252 as I recall. Note that there is no appreciable dip in horsepower at 5500 rpm. And, generally, it's better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm with a motorcycle with a gear box. The bike runs very well now with smooth and strong acceleration. So I'm really not concerned with the dip you noticed. I can tell you from experience that the dip is real, and becomes a pain in the ass at times. You don't notice it at all under moderate to hard acceleration. But it seems to be right at that spot when I am lane splitting. I keep having to shift to get out of that rpm range. Steady state running at 5000 to 5500 with small throttle openings makes the bike run like crap. From the smell of the unburned fuel I would guess it is running too rich Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: hypurone on February 12, 2009, 09:36:47 AM I can tell you from experience that the dip is real, and becomes a pain in the ass at times. You don't notice it at all under moderate to hard acceleration. But it seems to be right at that spot when I am lane splitting. I keep having to shift to get out of that rpm range. Steady state running at 5000 to 5500 with small throttle openings makes the bike run like crap. From the smell of the unburned fuel I would guess it is running too rich The DP ecu runs pig-rich for racing and actually has a few of these "spots". Some are not readily apparent on a dyno sheet. One of the reasons I installed a PCIII and had it dyno-tuned. It's totally linear now....not to mention the extra HP &Torque. Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: hypurone on February 12, 2009, 09:41:04 AM Cool! Make a vid, too. It would be nice to hear what it sounds like. Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0V-vNmz9OA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0V-vNmz9OA) http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff38/hypurone/Monster%20S4RS/?action=view¤t=10-21-07_1155.flv (http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff38/hypurone/Monster%20S4RS/?action=view¤t=10-21-07_1155.flv) more here: http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff38/hypurone/Monster%20S4RS/ (http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff38/hypurone/Monster%20S4RS/) Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: dbran1949 on February 12, 2009, 11:01:03 AM The DP ecu runs pig-rich for racing and actually has a few of these "spots". Some are not readily apparent on a dyno sheet. One of the reasons I installed a PCIII and had it dyno-tuned. It's totally linear now....not to mention the extra HP &Torque. I know we have had this discussion on the forum in the past but I think it may have been the old board. What part number did you get on the PCIII. I have got to bite the bullet and do this. Also have to find a shop here in San DIego area that can do it. Did they setup the PCIII by putting an A/F probe in the exhaust or by multiple runs on the dyno? Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: LA on February 12, 2009, 11:06:40 AM (http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq353/1ajess/s4rsg1.gif)
(http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq353/1ajess/s4rstorque.gif) These were the curves from Brad Black in 2006. Red is Termis with db killers removed\ Green is stock Blue is Termis with db killers in LA Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: stopintime on February 12, 2009, 11:38:36 AM Probably not important, but Ducati claims 13% - not 13hp.
The increase should be 17hp then, if they deliver as promised. Lovely mod anyhow [thumbsup] Title: POP! Post by: Carstarphen on February 12, 2009, 12:30:41 PM Probably not important, but Ducati claims 13% - not 13hp. The increase should be 17hp then, if they deliver as promised. Lovely mod anyhow [thumbsup] POP! There went my bubble. :'( Title: Re: POP! Post by: Raux on February 12, 2009, 12:35:39 PM POP! There went my bubble. :'( how would that 13% at the crank be affected by drivetrain loss and what would be the net RWHP? Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: hypurone on February 12, 2009, 01:01:28 PM I know we have had this discussion on the forum in the past but I think it may have been the old board. What part number did you get on the PCIII. I have got to bite the bullet and do this. Also have to find a shop here in San DIego area that can do it. Did they setup the PCIII by putting an A/F probe in the exhaust or by multiple runs on the dyno? [laugh] Yes we have. Part number used was 717-411 from an M1000sie. I had the advanced mapping done (which is per cyl) and he did use lambda probes in the exhaust. We Title: Re: Full Termis really produce 13 hp Post by: dbran1949 on February 12, 2009, 01:04:01 PM [laugh] Yes we have. Part number used was 717-411 from an M1000sie. I had the advanced mapping done (which is per cyl) and he did use lambda probes in the exhaust. We It would be woth it just to get rid of the 5k miss, an extra 8 hp is icing |