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Title: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Slide Panda on February 16, 2009, 11:13:34 AM Yes... nineteen HUNDRED percent tax has been proposed in Oregon
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021309_news_oregon_beer_tax.126942e1.html (http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021309_news_oregon_beer_tax.126942e1.html). Yeah they have not raised that particular tax in 32 years, while every other state has. But a 1900% hike is going to hurt those brewing businesses (and make beer cost even more boooo) Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Grampa on February 16, 2009, 11:17:29 AM Yes... nineteen HUNDRED percent tax has been proposed in Oregon http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021309_news_oregon_beer_tax.126942e1.html (http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021309_news_oregon_beer_tax.126942e1.html). Yeah they have not raised that particular tax in 32 years, while every other state has. But a 1900% hike is going to hurt those brewing businesses (and make beer cost even more boooo) yeah!!!! fairnessism [thumbsup] Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: MendoDave on February 16, 2009, 12:33:24 PM Everybody just nickes & dimes me to death. >:(
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: herm on February 16, 2009, 12:41:36 PM make the beast with two backs!
now i'm never gonna sell that house [bang] Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Holden on February 16, 2009, 02:46:31 PM I wonder how much money it would cost them:
1. people not buying any beer at all/smuggling it in/brewing their own 2. people not moving to the state in the first place/moving out entirely 3. loss of tourism 4. loss of jobs forcing brewers to alcoholism :P 5. anti gov't/anti police mentality encouraging anarchy and vandalism it's an intellectual prohibition! Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Sinister on February 16, 2009, 03:28:53 PM Looks like there's money to be made, selling beer across the border.
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Howie on February 16, 2009, 03:39:29 PM I doubt people will move out of Oregon or start smuggling beer over a tax that comes out to about $.20 a pint. Of course, this assumes the bill goes through without compromise. Anyway, [drink] [drink] [drink] [drink] [drink] there goes a dollar's worth ;D
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: trenner on February 16, 2009, 03:49:23 PM Yes... nineteen HUNDRED percent tax has been proposed in Oregon http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021309_news_oregon_beer_tax.126942e1.html (http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_021309_news_oregon_beer_tax.126942e1.html). Yeah they have not raised that particular tax in 32 years, while every other state has. But a 1900% hike is going to hurt those brewing businesses (and make beer cost even more boooo) Pretty sure that that should read "nineteen hundred percent tax INCREASE has been proposed in Oregon". Either way, it's not very popular and thankfully highly unlikely to pass, but a 19-fold increase in the existing tax (which is what's being proposed) is not at all the same as taxing beer at 19 times the full value (which is what your statement at the top suggests). Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Holden on February 16, 2009, 04:00:55 PM Oh. That's kind of a different story...
No wonder $50 sounded like a lot for a beer. [laugh] Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: redxblack on February 16, 2009, 07:06:23 PM Isn't the Arrogant Bastard brewing company in Oregon? Their Oaked Ale is godlike, but at $16 a sixer, it's already too much money.
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: krolik on February 16, 2009, 07:12:07 PM It's not even in the Legislature yet, just a proposal by one member of the House, and he's said he's willing to discuss the amount of increase. The Beer & Wine industry has very effective lobbyists in this state, the last three times the Legislature tried to increase the beer tax, it failed.
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Mother on February 17, 2009, 06:03:48 AM we like to vote no on shit a lot. because they like to pull stupid shit like this
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: ZLTFUL on February 17, 2009, 07:21:46 AM I doubt people will move out of Oregon or start smuggling beer over a tax that comes out to about $.20 a pint. Of course, this assumes the bill goes through without compromise. Anyway, [drink] [drink] [drink] [drink] [drink] there goes a dollar's worth ;D Actually Howie, the $.20 is at the production level. Than doesn't factor in companies trying to maintain profit margins down the distribution chain. In the end, it factors out closer to $1.50 a pint to the consumer. You can try to argue the point but I work in beer distribution and know exactly where and what percent markups take place. I also read an email Kurt Widmer sent out to all of his distributors showing how this tax would effect his costs and how they would be passing it on to the distributors which pass it on to consumers... All in all, a tax increase of this size is stupid and very unlikely to even get much consideration in Oregon. The only part I worry about is it opening the door to more potential legislation of the same kind... Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Slide Panda on February 17, 2009, 07:44:29 AM Actually Howie, the $.20 is at the production level. Than doesn't factor in companies trying to maintain profit margins down the distribution chain. In the end, it factors out closer to $1.50 a pint to the consumer. The article I linked to calculated it out to a $1.50 per at the consumer end - their example was what had been a $4.50 glass would rise to $6. That's a pretty hash step up... Around DC you'd be looking at $8-9 a beer at many downtown watering holes... Ow. Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: ZLTFUL on February 17, 2009, 08:40:37 AM Yeah...our CEO was pretty interested in this (he usually is for most beer legislation that effects our producers) and put some preliminary numbers together. The in state consumer difference would be in the neighborhood of $1.50 a pint. But when you jump to our end (out of state distributors) the costs jump upwards of $1.75-$1.80 a pint on the consumer end.
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: cyrus buelton on February 17, 2009, 11:37:01 AM another reason not to live in Oregon
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Howie on February 17, 2009, 07:55:40 PM Actually Howie, the $.20 is at the production level. Than doesn't factor in companies trying to maintain profit margins down the distribution chain. In the end, it factors out closer to $1.50 a pint to the consumer. You can try to argue the point but I work in beer distribution and know exactly where and what percent markups take place. I also read an email Kurt Widmer sent out to all of his distributors showing how this tax would effect his costs and how they would be passing it on to the distributors which pass it on to consumers... All in all, a tax increase of this size is stupid and very unlikely to even get much consideration in Oregon. The only part I worry about is it opening the door to more potential legislation of the same kind... $1.50 is certainly more significant. No doubt you know what you are talking about, but, if it can be easily explained, how does a $.20 tax grow to $1.50 instead of just being passed on to the consumer? Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: kopfjäger on February 17, 2009, 09:27:42 PM another reason not to live in Oregon Do we really need another????? Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: KnightofNi on February 18, 2009, 06:41:28 AM $1.50 is certainly more significant. No doubt you know what you are talking about, but, if it can be easily explained, how does a $.20 tax grow to $1.50 instead of just being passed on to the consumer? because they have to keep the same profit margin. that 20 cents will decreas their margin so in order to cover the costs they will increase to keep that profit the same (or increase it)it's called business in america, greed, or capitalism. and i am already forced to buy a case of beer whenever i don't want to get raped on the price of a 6-pack. i really like widmer, but there are others that are less expensive and just as good. i'm not paying $50 for a case when i can spend $25-30 and get something just as good. Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Howie on February 18, 2009, 06:52:38 AM I don't want to pay more for Arrogant Bastard.
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Mother on February 18, 2009, 06:54:34 AM i'll be more than happy to pay 8-10 dollars a pint if it means you two won't live here
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Slide Panda on February 18, 2009, 07:13:59 AM i'll be more than happy to pay 8-10 dollars a pint if it means you two won't live here Oh snap! No he didn't... ;D And any potential increases will be mitigated by the fact that if you wave a beer a Jbub too violently she gets buzzed. Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: KnightofNi on February 18, 2009, 07:54:33 AM i'll be more than happy to pay 8-10 dollars a pint if it means you two won't live here don't you have navigation to handle? and i don't want to live there, however, this law will affect my beer consumption. that angers me. it angers me enough to poop. Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: cyrus buelton on February 18, 2009, 11:08:07 AM Do we really need another????? Good point i'll be more than happy to pay 8-10 dollars a pint if it means you two won't live here That's fine by me, you won't get a complaint out of my mouth. However, I find your dislike of me to be quite interesting to the point you will pay 10$ a beer so I won't live in your state. that's pretty funny. Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Mother on February 18, 2009, 11:48:36 AM it was T.I.C. you panty twisted nancy
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: cyrus buelton on February 18, 2009, 12:27:23 PM it was T.I.C. you panty twisted nancy There you go with your name calling again. at least this time you didn't call me an asshole. relax, you might enjoy life a little better. Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Mother on February 18, 2009, 12:40:36 PM who is it that needs to relax, I forget?
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: cyrus buelton on February 18, 2009, 03:14:54 PM who is it that needs to relax, I forget? apparently not me since you are the one jumping my shit once again. but whatever, don't really care. Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: ducpainter on February 18, 2009, 06:15:14 PM Don't make me pull this car over.
Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: Rev. Millertime on February 18, 2009, 09:00:16 PM Don't make me pull this car over. Pull it over.... I have to take a piss! Title: Re: Oregon legislature proposes 1,900% beer tax Post by: cyrus buelton on February 18, 2009, 09:04:30 PM Don't make me pull this car over. Are you giving me a warning or a ticket? If so, how fast was I doing?? [laugh] [laugh] |