Hello. I'm looking at an '07 S2R 1000 and wanted to get a little input from the "been there, done that" types. This is a low mileage bike (~2500 miles), but it's been dropped and has a salvage title. Only very minor damage, broken turn signal lens, missing bar end weight and small scratches on the exhaust cans. I haven't ridden it yet, but I heard it run and it seemed like there was a lot of engine noise from the heads. The owner said something about being gear driven and that's just the way they sound. Is that true? Is there anything else I should look for (typical problems, recalls, unusual wear, etc.)? It's supposed to be nice on Monday so I'll take it for a spin then, and would like to know what to look out for.
Thanks
there is a certain amount of noise. kind of like a mechanical whine that isnt very high pitched. kind of like a chat chat.
Maybe he has a police report of the damage.... ?
How much is he asking for it? Id do a visual cehck and finger bang and feel/look for crack/ bends on the frame. Though thats rare.
Look at the head tube, are the steering stop tabs busted? That could have caused the insurance company to total it.
Id also take a look at the top head. Look at the left side of the bike and look at the exhaust end. does it look very clean compared to the rest of hte bike? It may ahve been an indication of him viciously trying to clean the oil from leak. the S2R1000 have a common problem of loose valve guides and it can cause oil leaks and slight decrease in performance/mileage. Ducati will warranty it if you still have it. I've heard of some people getting good willed, but that depends on your local dealer.
heres a video of whats making that noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LgHFJbtw78&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LgHFJbtw78&feature=related)
Quote from: twerth on February 21, 2009, 05:22:00 PM
I haven't ridden it yet, but I heard it run and it seemed like there was a lot of engine noise from the heads. The owner said something about being gear driven and that's just the way they sound.
If you are used to Japanese bikes, a Ducati is going to sound much more mechanical. In particular, if you aren't used to the sound of a dry clutch, a Duc is going to sound broken.
There's the usual stuff to look for with used bikes. Here's a good link. (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=19144.msg342021#msg342021) The only real Duc-specific to look for are the maintenance of the belts (every 2 years or 12k miles) and the valves (every 6k). If the bike has--for example--11.5k miles, factor the price of the 12k service into the purchase price, but since you said it was 2.5k, that's is not an issue. Also, since you asked, the belts are for cam timing.
Why exactly what it salvaged? It takes more than just a slight fall for a salvage title. OTOH, if the frame, tank and exhaust are undamaged but have scratches on them, that's often enough to salvage a bike. Duc frames are pretty damn strong. Unless you highside and bend the subframe or take a big front end hit and destroy the steering head, it's pretty hard to bend a frame. If it's been dropped, the bars are likely bent. Check 'em, but I'd expect that they won't be straight. That's really common with a dropped monster. Folks use it as an opportunity to upgrade. ;D
Quote from: Spidey on February 21, 2009, 06:10:24 PM
Why exactly what it salvaged? It takes more than just a slight fall for a salvage title.
+1, that sounded a little fishy to me. As these bikes are unfaired, it usually takes a little more of an impact to total them. Although as Spidey pointed out, anything with a scratch will be marked "replace" by an insurance company.
I'd hope you'd be getting a heck of a deal with a salvage title, btw.
well, the desmo valves are probably the mechanical sounds you're hearing. they're not the quieter lubed chain driven camshaft system as on japanese sporty bikes. but, it's a sweet sound, and what makes it a duc. be real cautious of a salvage title, just my personal advice
Thanks for all the input. After doing a little research, I think the engine noise I heard is the dry clutch. Sounds like that's typical for the larger displacement engines.
I've also read that the 6k and 12k services can be fairly pricey (compared to Japanese bikes), and my nearest dealer is across town. Is valve adjustment something that someone with a reasonable amount of mechanical skill can do himself? I've done Yamahas and Kawasakis before, but I have no experience with this desmo thing.
Finally, a little more history on the salvage title. Normally I'd run away, but this bike only has 2500 miles and they're asking $6500 for it. The current owner picked it up at auction and can't give many details on its previous life. Aside from the damage I mentioned before, it's a very clean looking bike. It's a little scary, but I've always loved the Monsters and for that price I might be able to afford a couple of surprises.
Quote from: twerth on February 22, 2009, 06:18:40 AM
Thanks for all the input. After doing a little research, I think the engine noise I heard is the dry clutch. Sounds like that's typical for the larger displacement engines.
I've also read that the 6k and 12k services can be fairly pricey (compared to Japanese bikes), and my nearest dealer is across town. Is valve adjustment something that someone with a reasonable amount of mechanical skill can do himself? I've done Yamahas and Kawasakis before, but I have no experience with this desmo thing.
Finally, a little more history on the salvage title. Normally I'd run away, but this bike only has 2500 miles and they're asking $6500 for it. The current owner picked it up at auction and can't give many details on its previous life. Aside from the damage I mentioned before, it's a very clean looking bike. It's a little scary, but I've always loved the Monsters and for that price I might be able to afford a couple of surprises.
WAY TOO MUCH!!! I have seen similar bikes with similar damage for way less on ebay. I paid $6500 for this yesterday. CLear title and 9300 miles.
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=19599.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=19599.0)
Quote from: needtorque on February 22, 2009, 06:26:42 AM
WAY TOO MUCH!!! I have seen similar bikes with similar damage for way less on ebay. I paid $6500 for this yesterday. CLear title and 9300 miles.
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=19599.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=19599.0)
+1 on that price. You can do better, and if you're going to pay that much, find something with a clear title.
Quote from: needtorque on February 22, 2009, 06:26:42 AM
WAY TOO MUCH!!! I have seen similar bikes with similar damage for way less on ebay. I paid $6500 for this yesterday. CLear title and 9300 miles.
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=19599.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=19599.0)
OUCH! Glad I asked.
Here is my logic. NADA lists one of these in good condition at a little over $8k (optimistic, I know). I can fix the obvious damage with used parts for less than $200, not counting the chips in the paint (they're small and I'll probably repaint eventually anyway). All that considered, I thought $6500 sounded good.
So, what's a reasonable price? I'm going back tomorrow to ride it, so I'd like to have an idea of a number to shoot him.
i wouldnt pay more than $4,000 for it.
I bought my S2R1000 more than a year ago with 4,000 miles basically unridden for $7,000. So its possible. Theres also S2R800s for ~5grand too with mods!
the salvage title will greatly reduce any future value the bike has...say when you decide to upgrade. I personally wouldn't touch the bike unless it is an incredible deal...say 4k or less. There is a reason the bike was totaled, and it will present itself at some point. If the bike seems to be in good shape it's probably because someone spent some time "fixing"...hiding the problem. Your money is probably better spent on a higher mileage well maintained bike with a well kept history.
$4000? That's disappointing, but probably good advice. That's the number I'll go in with, but it means I likely won't end up with a monster. But then no Duc is probably better than one with major problems. Thanks again for your input.
You can get a monster for 6500 which is what you were about to pay for this one. 4k will get you an older monster but if you prefer the s*r style then look and be patient. It is very much a buyers market right now.
another spot to look is where frame sliders would attach. one of the guys in our group dropped his bike going around a curve, and the frame slider bent the frame. Without the frame sliders in, most would overlook that area due to the lack of scraping.
Price seems high for a salvaged title. Here's a 2006 S2R 1000 sliver with black stripe. Central Pennsylvania
http://www.devalmostro.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=658 (http://www.devalmostro.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=658)