Ducati Monster Forum

Okay, the testing is done and we have the production model ready and will be for sale very soon. We are working with our distributor to finalize pricing and should be ready to go and ship within 2 weeks. Here are the pictures of the kit. 

The H - Competition Oil Cooler
 
The oil cooler frame and all mounting bolts are constructed of Titanium. The oil cooler is from England, along with the stainless lines. These are the same coolers you will see on many Formula 1 cars. All structural hardware is Lockheed Aircraft high fatigue lightweight stainless.  All fittings are A.N. spec aluminum.  This is a piece that we are proud to only offer to Ducati owners.  As you will notice, you can utilize the mesh cover for the cooler if you are so inclined.  The lines are also routed the same as the Ducati Performance kit, so fitting the kit is easy. We utilize both the engine and frame as structural support for our cooler, something you will not find on any other kit.

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Nice i want one...

[popcorn]

Great looking set up. Price and availability please?

is there a special part that goes in the oil filter or something like that that opens up the bypass valve for the oil to flow into the cooler?
or is it a no brainer, just hook up the in/out oil lines and that's it?

Looks really clean.

Nice,
looks very clean,
Is it hard to install? I would guess its an at home install, or would you fly up here and install it on mine, I'm guessing not, but he thought I'd ask.

Thanks Russ

 Thats a nice looking install. has anyone a pic of the Ducati unit installed and ofcoarse, how much does it cost? Is it available in North America?

Very nice Ryan!  [bow_down]  Summertime is right around the corner. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for the pricing.  [popcorn]

DP unit is available, about $512+/-, plus labor. I've heard that it can take a little bit to get in, though. 

Figure if a dealer does it, you'll need to cover the cost of an oil change as well, as the kit includes a diversion valve that goes in above the oil filter.

That's what i was wondering about. the diversion valve.
so you do have to do the oil change. dang, wonder if i can get 7500 miles before summer is here.

Great response guys and thanks.  To answer all of the questions here, a person with the proper tools, a little bit of mechanical knowledge and a torque wrench should be able to install the kit at home.  Although, if you are not comfortable or lack the tools, I would have it installed by a proper motorcycle mechanic. Yes the kit is assembled in North America and is available here. Raux, the part in question is not the diversion valve, but a bypass.  Our kit has the bypass, but it is not in the picture (We only had one at the time, and there was no way I was going to do another oil change for a picture, I've done 4 of them already). The instructions for the kit will include how to install the bypass and the torque specs for the oil filter nipple. Really the kit can be installed in about 2 hours with the proper tools.  We are working on taking pictures for the pdf instructions this week.

7500 miles is a little long between oil changes (IMO), so no harm in changing the oil before then  :)

I totally agree with this. I started working on the kit at 2500 miles for that reason and last summer my oil temps went to 7 bars in traffic (thats 191-200C!!!!!! Way TOO HOT for oil !!!).  That is the entire reason for this kit.  The oil cooler will extend the life of the oil, but in my opinion it does not hurt to change it before the required interval.  Oil is cheap insurance against a costly repair.

you're just trying to sell me your part now  [roll]

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Looks like you could go with a Setrab, though not as Blingy, they are more affordable and have one of the best reputations on cooling efficiency. I think I saw someone on here running one. Anyone care to chime in?  I've used them on aircooled VW's and swear by them in that application. If my cooler ever goes south, I'd mount one.
(http://www.dcr62.net/Car%20Pics/E30%20M3/M3%20Rebuild/Setrab%20Oil%20Cooler.jpg)

I have used many Setrab coolers throughout my racing career.  They are a quality piece and have never had a problem with them.  They should work well for a replacement if one were to go bad. The one thing to be careful of is the secondary fittings that go into the oil cooler (the ones that convert to AN). The reason to be careful is it adds a possible point of failure. Earl's coolers (made by Dana Automotive) have the secondary fittings as well.  Earl's fittings are awesome, however I have had two failures with their coolers in the past.  I think Setrab pressure tests all of their coolers along with the ones we use. Earl's does random checks.

 

How much does an oil cooler help when you're sitting in traffic?  I would think not much. 

It's when you're moving that the cooler will help.

The oil cooler does make a difference in traffic.  Even though there is not air flowing through, you still have a significant delta across the cooler from ambient air.  In essence, you are taking oil away from its heat source.  We have tested in stop and go traffic and its runs a bar cooler.  Last summer I was  getting to 7 bars in 108F in traffic.  I actually pulled over and shut the bike down to let it cool. We have been taking the cooler on and off over the past month to do a comparison. Without the oil cooler in traffic at 80F +/- 5F we are seeing on average 5 bars.  With the oil cooler the most we've seen is 4 bars. Aggressive riding (high rpm medium and low speed) will bounce between 3 and 4 bars. Street riding will be 3 bars. Freeway will be 3 bars. I suspect that as the weather gets hotter, we should only see at max one bar more than at 80F. I never want to see my bike get to 6 bars, I would be happy if it stayed below that. The amazing thing is how fast the temp drops when you get moving.  Update.....It is now hot enough to give a fair estimate on temps....The oil cooler will prevent the bike from ever going to 5 or 6 bars.  I was in traffic and it was HOT no problems the bike sat there at 4 bars...

That's great info, thanks.

Last Fall, I replaced the OEM cooler on my Bandit with a larger capacity Earl's cooler.  I did not take the time to do all the temperature comparisons though.

How has the Dana cooler been holding up? We had 2 failures while using them on our cars.

Hi Ryan,

That looks like a great kit.
We are looking forward to getting some for stock.

Group Buy anyone?
It will be less expensive if we get a larger batch.

We can create a package price to include a euro type left side cover that eliminates the charcoal canister.


-M

PS: The group buy price is hidden behind passswords. Please register on our website for passwords to access the group buy price and discounts on our other products.
The sign-up is under the log-in box in the products section.

[thumbsup] I will order one from Ya!

I saw this at MotoWheels as a pre-order. It is only $20 cheaper than the Ducati oil cooler. Does it cool better than the Ducati part?

Yes, we have done back to back test with the DP kit. I would say we are marginally cooler. We did try a larger size cooler, but it would not be practical. You have to block off half the cooler to drive at night because of too much cooling capacity.  We also offer $150 worth of instructions that can be read.
 

 [laugh] Nice.  [clap]

No problems so far, but I've only put a few thousand miles on it.  The oil is not pressurized, so I don't expect any problems either.  Were your auto units under pressure?

The good news is that my bike runs under 190°F on the superslab. I really wish that I'd have measured the running temp prior to the cooler.

It's great that you're providing numbers for the 696/1100 customers.  [thumbsup]

Well I'm sold lol

Case in point about instructions from the "other forum" http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/accessories-mods/190717-ducati-perfprmance-tail-chop.html (http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/accessories-mods/190717-ducati-perfprmance-tail-chop.html)


Yes the auto units were under pressure. Up to 100 psi oil pressure

I see the DP one for cheaper on one site. But, who knows how long until the DP one gets to your door if it isn't in stock, and if the H competition works better . . . it's worth the $6 extra. Don't forget the $150 worth of readable instruction.  [thumbsup]

* Register on the motowheels website for passwords to access additional discounts. The sign up is under the log-in box in the products section.
We are trying to help Ryan figure out how many he will need to make on thr first production run.

Oooo... fancy. Nice price drop. That makes it all the better.

Why don't you advertise the lowest price to begin with, or require people to make an account to order? I've ordered from you before but never knew about the membership offering discounts.

EDIT: Welp, this puppy is ordered! Hopefully it won't be too long for you guys to get the first batch... Winter is gone, we don't have spring, and summer is threatening my Monster! I was at 4 bars on the highway today when it was 80 degrees. I can't imagine what it will be like going 5 mph in traffic when it hits 100 degrees.

Good to know.

For group buys, this is only open to the people that are willing to wait.

Many MFG's (such as Dainese, PUMA, Bell, Ohlins, SpeedCell and others) have price protection/agreement or minimum advertised price policies in place- so we have to hide the discounts behind passwords.


-M

It is possible to remove the front shroud and continue to use the oil cooler we found out!  Here are the pics with the shrouds removed.  It also works with the 1100 Monster

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just FYI, the M1100 comes stock with an oil cooler.

Sorry, let me clarify what I was pointing out. The DP Oil cooler kit, aka stock 1100 kit does not have a lower support so it is not possible to remove the shroud and keep the oil cooler supported. The plastic shroud is the lower support. Since we use the engine as the lower support, you can remove all extra pieces.

 

I imagine the kit should be pretty easy to install on the M1100 since the bypass valve should already be in place?

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Yes, it would just be a matter of swapping lines and adapters.

What's involved in installing this on a 696?  I assume one would have to drain all the oil first... then what?  Any installation manual online?  Would love to get this but I'm looking for a wrench project I can do myself on a lazy Saturday afternoon.

Have you gotten it yet?

Update for the folks who pre-ordered their oil coolers!

Coolers Shipped today....I am excited to hear the feed back, good or bad..  You do not have to change the oil when you install the cooler. I would suggest at least changing the oil filter however.  If you have 2500 miles or so on your oil, you might as well change it out or if your oil has already been to 6 bars. If you don't decide to change your oil,  you will need to have at least a quart of oil on hand cause you will lose about 1/3 of a quart of oil during the process and you will have to add some due to the cooler capacity.  If anyone would like to see the instructions, PM me and I will send you a link to the PDF file.

ok been wondering about that. since the oil cooler is up, how do you fill the oil level? wound't the oil just all drain back into the case, thereby overflowing if you fill for the additional oil cooler?