Not sure if you all are familiar with this but this ban is far reaching... roller blades, ski bindings and more are being pulled from the market if they are marketed to twelve and under. Please help spread the word !
http://www.mic.org/stoptheban.cfm (http://www.mic.org/stoptheban.cfm)
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Join the effort to stop the ban on youth motorcycles and ATVs. The links and letter-generators found here will help you send an important message to legislators and regulators. Please use them. And please encourage others to visit this site and do what they can, too.
MODS: If you need to move this to a NMC area ok but I think it should be on the front page ! This will eventually affect all of us..
Letters sent. Shouldn't responsible parents should be able to prevent youth from eating motorcycles ???
letter sent.
shouldnt there be responsible adults?
Not that I agree with banning anything, but I spotted a problem in your statement...
Quote from: howie on March 01, 2009, 01:52:03 PM
Letters sent. Shouldn't responsible parents should be able to prevent youth from eating motorcycles ???
I can't remember the movie, I thought it was breakfast club, but there's a line about "you need a license to drive a car, you need a license to catch a fish, but any butt reaming a-hole can be a parent."
My boys have a Honda CRF50F. They're 8yo and 6yo, and they haven't tried to eat it yet. [roll]
Regardless, this lead ban is KILLING dealerships. They can't sell motos OR youth quads, and they're losing a lot of money. Considering the current economy, it's especially painful. :-\
I've sent a letter, signed a petition, and written to the CPSC. I'd encourage everyone to do the same. It's a huge, painful issue for moto dealerships nationwide.
I believe Honda has even instructed their dealers to pull parts for the "infected" units..
This retarded ruling needs as much attention as possible from outside of the motorcycle sector as well ! If nothing else tell your co workers, tell them to go to mic.org, write their letters, don't turn a blind eye please...
Quote from: bluemoco on March 01, 2009, 04:59:50 PM
My boys have a Honda CRF50F. They're 8yo and 6yo, and they haven't tried to eat it yet. [roll]
Regardless, this lead ban is KILLING dealerships. They can't sell motos OR youth quads, and they're losing a lot of money. Considering the current economy, it's especially painful. :-\
I've sent a letter, signed a petition, and written to the CPSC. I'd encourage everyone to do the same. It's a huge, painful issue for moto dealerships nationwide.
Quote from: Privateer on March 01, 2009, 02:26:40 PM
Not that I agree with banning anything, but I spotted a problem in your statement...
I can't remember the movie, I thought it was breakfast club, but there's a line about "you need a license to drive a car, you need a license to catch a fish, but any butt reaming a-hole can be a parent."
Can't remember the name but just watched it the other day. Keano Reeves says this line, the movie also has a very young Joaquin Phoenix, Rick Moranis, and Steve Martin.
Edit: "Parenthood"
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My wife works for an ATV manufacturer. We would just like to thank the people who decided to enforce this now for helping the economy by causing so many small and some large businesses to eat this cost.... [bang]
i figured this would be more targeted towards the cheaper, Chinese made bikes and atvs you only pay a few hundred bucks for new... didn't think that the bigger manufactures would have lead in them. its too soft of a metal to really make anything sturdy out of...
Quote from: DLSGAP on March 02, 2009, 09:31:32 AM
i figured this would be more targeted towards the cheaper, Chinese made bikes and atvs you only pay a few hundred bucks for new... didn't think that the bigger manufactures would have lead in them. its too soft of a metal to really make anything sturdy out of...
Batteries tend to have them, for one thing. It goes downhill from there.
I believe it also states not that they can't have lead, but that they need to prove they have no lead. I read an aticle stating that originally (don't know if it was changed) the law would require unpainted wooden toys to go through the same process.
if a kid has enough brains to ride a dirtbike, really what makes anyone think they would think about eating it?
I want to hear the rational of the person who started this, then deck him.
Quote from: He Man on March 02, 2009, 09:57:59 AM
if a kid has enough brains to ride a dirtbike, really what makes anyone think they would think about eating it?
I want to hear the rational of the person who started this, then deck him.
The bill wasn't targeted at motos...it was just for any toy marketed to children 12 and younger. Motos just got caught in the crossfire, along with a ton of other toys.
It's just a very poorly thought out bill, which was a knee jerk reaction to the chinese toy lead issues a year ago. Letter sent...stupid politicians.
i read the letter.
its a blatent ban on all products contain more than the legal limit of lead. but as you said, it was just completely not thought out. And whoever passed it didnt even bother to look through it and ask him self if it makes any sense.
Blast! Now Ive gotta stock up on youth motorcycles as well as ammo and mean looking rifles?? Whats next? Booze? Adult Motorcycles??
Come to think of it, I am pretty well stocked up on Cromos...
No lead at all means anything that uses any kind of battery or electronics. Soldered circuit boards... That leaves stuffed teddy bears until you are old enough to become a parent.
All atoms heavier then lead contain enough electrons/protons/neutrons to make a lead atom. there for it should not be sold to anyone under the age of 12.
well wouldn't regular alkaline batteries fall into this as well then? as stated... seems like it was a well meant thought that just wasn't entirely thought out before it was thrown up the chain.
Quote from: Triple J on March 02, 2009, 10:30:20 AM
The bill wasn't targeted at motos...it was just for any toy marketed to children 12 and younger. Motos just got caught in the crossfire, along with a ton of other toys.
It's just a very poorly thought out bill, which was a knee jerk reaction to the chinese toy lead issues a year ago. Letter sent...stupid politicians.
Yep - this is spot-on. The law was intended to protect kids from lead in small toys. It was a response to the recent spate of toys (mostly from China) that used lead paint or had very high lead content.
The law that was passed was VERY broad. Not only does it affect motorcycle manufacturers (and, by default, dealers too), it has big implications for kids' electronic devices. In addition to motorcycle OEMs, the CPSC has now received petitions from book manufacturers, the Craft Yarn Council of America, the Greeting Card Association, and both the Consumer Electronics Association and the Consumer Electronics Retailers' Coalition, and the list goes on...
Even if the law gets 'corrected' and motorcycle dealers are again allowed to sell kids' bikes + ATVs, the dealers will have missed out on at least 1 month's worth of sales. As the MIC notes, the needlessly lost sales could total to a value $1 Billion.
The issue becomes even more critical as the spring selling season approaches... :-\
Many people voluntarily voted for MORE government. This is nothing compared to the crap they'll be shoving down our throats...
Quote from: rgramjet on March 02, 2009, 10:57:45 AM
snip...... Whats next? Booze? Adult Motorcycles??
Come to think of it, I am pretty well stocked up on Cromos...
Booze, all motorcycles, candy, carpet (due to infant asphyxiation, of course), pillows (same reason), socks, most metal tools, leather car interiors (when Peta gets in on the fun), non organic foods, books that have the word "mean" in them (at any point, not just the title), ammo, cigarettes, puppies, kittens, flashlights for children under the age of 36, sea fairing vessels of various sorts (except for the ones that transport oil), god, cleavage, god's cleavage (saw it in a movie), movies, any music containing more than one pitch, lyrics to such music, hatefullness, cheerios, and happieness.
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So why is not every toy that takes a battery not outlawed under this poorly thought out bill ???
Quote from: DLSGAP on March 02, 2009, 09:31:32 AM
i figured this would be more targeted towards the cheaper, Chinese made bikes and atvs you only pay a few hundred bucks for new... didn't think that the bigger manufactures would have lead in them. its too soft of a metal to really make anything sturdy out of...
There aren't any "parts made of lead", so to speak, in a child's motorbike.
What the new law prohibits is any material which contains over 600 parts-per-million of lead as an ingredient. Many parts on a motorcycle are made from what is called free-machining steel, which contains lead in concentrations ranging between 1500 and 3500 parts per million. The lead serves no purpose except to make the steel easier to cut, and thereby cheaper (faster) to manufacture the part. The strength of the finished part is unaffected by the lead content.
I prolly shouldn't say anything about just how clueless this whole fiasco reveals our lawmakers to actually be. :-X
Btw, there's been once or twice I've eaten my mountain bike handlebar. :-[
Quote from: oldjackbob on March 02, 2009, 05:03:06 PM
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Btw, there's been once or twice I've eaten my mountain bike handlebar. :-[
but those are aluminum or carbon fiber or possibly titanium....so you are safe!
i didn't realize this whole law was just about lead, i actually thought it was about keeping kids safe when irresponsible parents don't.
Quote from: RB on March 02, 2009, 05:56:23 PMi didn't realize this whole law was just about lead, i actually thought it was about keeping kids safe when irresponsible parents don't.
Nope, it's all about lead, and it's basically a knee-jerk reaction to the lead-tainted paint found on children's toys imported over the last year or two from China.
The new law, called the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act, went into effect February 10. It provides fines starting at $100,000 per violation, plus possible jail time, for anyone convicted of selling lead-containing items intended for use by children aged 12 or under.
The new law is horribly worded and has had devastating effects on many innocent industries, but so far Congress continues to ignore those industries' cries for relief. [bang]
Most solder used in electronics is 40% lead. That should make any toys - ipod, wii, xbox, computers in classrooms, tickle-me-elmo, cell phones, shoes with flashing leds, anything with any electronics would have a component -solder- that would make it illegal to sell to kids... where is the ban on video games that are marketed to kids? Can I sue walmart for selling electronic learning toys? lol
Quote from: Bill in OKC on March 02, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
Most solder used in electronics is 40% lead. That should make any toys - ipod, wii, xbox, computers in classrooms, tickle-me-elmo, cell phones, shoes with flashing leds, anything with any electronics would have a component -solder- that would make it illegal to sell to kids... where is the ban on video games that are marketed to kids? Can I sue walmart for selling electronic learning toys? lol
Yep, correct on all of the above. [clap]
Now do you see what I mean? Entire industries that should never have been touched by the law are being savagely, potentially fatally, affected. In today's economy, the unintended impact of the new law on an already financially weakened company can have repurcussions that are potentially unsurvivable. In the motorcycle industry alone, the estimated impact of the new law is $1 Billion in losses.
WooHoo! Now we're recalling ice skates. [roll]
http://www.startribune.com/business/41092637.html (http://www.startribune.com/business/41092637.html)
If you haven't done it yet, go to www.mic.org (//http://) and sign on to the petition. The damaging effects of this children's toy law are spiraling out of control. >:(
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Got word from DNA yesterday, all items marketed for kids, shirts, hats, jackets, stuffed animals, toys (incl Maisto models) will no longer be available from Ducati until further notice. This ban is so far reaching we are just scratching the surface.. Most of the non motorcycle community is oblivious to it.. Just wait until kids items start disappearing at the malls etc.. roller blades, kids bicycles, toys and much more.
Quote from: bluemoco on March 11, 2009, 12:30:10 PM
WooHoo! Now we're recalling ice skates. [roll]
http://www.startribune.com/business/41092637.html (http://www.startribune.com/business/41092637.html)
If you haven't done it yet, go to www.mic.org (//http://) (//http://) (//http://) (//http://) (//http://) and sign on to the petition. The damaging effects of this children's toy law are spiraling out of control. >:(
make the beast with two backs everything everbody everywhere everyway...... with condoms made of lead
stupid humans
Sent. Stupid rule, hopefully they'll think of an adjustment that actually makes sense.
Kind of amusing, they're saving the kids from eating their dirt bikes but they're sending dealers out of business which may cause people to have to eat their dirt bikes.
Cycle News magazine ran a follow up story on the lead ban. The article included a lengthy interview with the Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC) legal rep Paul Vitrano, and it's VERY enlightening about the whole situation.
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/industry-news/2009/03/10/kids-bikes-and-lead-an-update (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/industry-news/2009/03/10/kids-bikes-and-lead-an-update)
(http://www.cyclenews.com/files/news_articles/roadracing/0903/KidBan-EatLead.jpg)
If you want to get soccer moms on your side, point out that bicycle trailers and jogger strollers were swept up in this ban. [laugh]
Well, it looks like the CPSC is refusing to back down. Here's another article that summarizes the latest developments.
Dealernews Article (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/CPSIA+Lead+Law+Updates/From-the-Dealernews-Blog-One-Small-Word-Is-Tying-U/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/586821?ref=25)
If you haven't yet gone to www.mic.org (//http://) and signed the petition, please do so. This lead ban is an ongoing disaster and is having a HUGE impact on moto dealers and manufacturers. >:(
http://osetbikes.blogspot.com (http://osetbikes.blogspot.com)
these guys are being hard hit by this ban and have a blog set up with current up to date information on this matter.
OSET Corp
OSET was founded in 2005 to produce small, safe, environmentally friendly, non-intimidating dirt bikes for kids. OSET is a small company deeply affected by the CPSIA. This blog has been set up to address the issues faced by the motorcycle industry, and to make a central meeting point for companies affected by this ludicrous law. OSET bikes can be seen on www.osetbikes.com (//http://).
Quote from: bluemoco on March 14, 2009, 08:39:48 AM
If you haven't yet gone to www.mic.org (//http://) (//http://) (//http://) and signed the petition, please do so. This lead ban is an ongoing disaster and is having a HUGE impact on moto dealers and manufacturers. >:(
done
bump
I'm in...
Cut n' pasted directly from another forum.
Source ...... (http://"http://www.sportcityrider.com/f54/ama-urgent-youth-ban-motorcycle-bill-s22-2828/#post4443")
From: American Motorcyclist Association
Date: March 16, 2009
Re: AMA public service announcement regarding youth bike ban
The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has made available a video public service announcement (PSA) regarding the current ban on the sale of youth off-highway vehicles (OHVs), which includes motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles, intended for kids 12 and under.
The 54-second video features AMA President and CEO Rob Dingman discussing the ban and encourages viewers to contact their representatives in Congress and the Consumer Products Safety Commission to end the ban.
The link to the PSA on Youtube is: YouTube - AMA: Help stop the ban on youth OHV's (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjGo5BWIOQ")
The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA) has effectively outlawed the sale of youth off-highway vehicles (OHVs). According to section 101(a) of the enacted legislation, all youth products containing lead must have less than 600 parts per million (ppm) by weight. The CPSC has interpreted the law to apply to various components of youth OHVs including the engine, brakes, suspension, battery and other mechanical parts. Even though the lead levels in these parts are small, they are still above the minimum threshold.
More information about the ban, as well as additional tools for fighting it, can be found at Take action now: Help stop the ban on youth model OHVs (http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=629&s=banner).
About the American Motorcyclist Association
Since 1924, the AMA has promoted and protected the motorcycling lifestyle. AMA members come from all walks of life and they navigate many different routes on their journey to the same destination: freedom on two wheels. As the world's largest motorcycle organization with nearly 300,000 members, the AMA advocates for motorcyclists' interests in the halls of local, state and federal government, the committees of international governing organizations and the court of public opinion. Through member clubs, promoters and partners, the AMA sanctions more motorsports competition events than any other organization in the world. Through its Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum, the AMA preserves the heritage of motorcycling for future generations. For more information, visit American Motorcyclist: The Official Site of the American Motorcyclist Association (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com)
How much lead is contained in typical AA, C, D etc batteries that power toys?
JM
I just bought one of these for my boys 7th bday...Im sure its got a least a pound of lead in it...
http://www.razor.com/products/mx400-dirt-rocket.php (http://www.razor.com/products/mx400-dirt-rocket.php)
Sent. Those make the beast with two backsing morons. >:(
Quote from: rgramjet on March 16, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
I just bought one of these for my boys 7th bday...Im sure its got a least a pound of lead in it...
http://www.razor.com/products/mx400-dirt-rocket.php (http://www.razor.com/products/mx400-dirt-rocket.php)
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* High torque motor
* Twist grip throttle control
* Adjustable riser handlebars
* Hand operated rear brake
* Retractable kickstand
* Folding metal pegs
* 24V (two 12V) sealed lead acid battery system
* Powerful 350 watt electrical motor
* Battery charge time: 12 hours
* Up to 30 minutes of continuous use
* UL approved charger
* Tools included
* Product Weight: 70.25 LBS
* Assembled Product Dimensions: 44″x 24.5″x 31″
* Product decoration and specifications subject to change without notice
oops
Quote from: the_Journeyman on March 16, 2009, 11:42:23 AM
How much lead is contained in typical AA, C, D etc batteries that power toys?
JM
Very little. Lead is not an active ingredient in those batteries. Still, good parents don't feed there children batteries.
Sent.
Now books:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_on_re_us/lead_in_books (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_on_re_us/lead_in_books)
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"The Consumer Product Safety Commission has raised that possibility in urging the nation's libraries to take children's books printed before 1986 off their shelves while the federal agency investigates whether the ink contains unsafe levels of lead."
Congratulations law makers, now the kids can play with nothing and like it.
mitt
This is so ridiculous what will kids do in school now? I bet there is lead in the playgrounds, and in the classroom. Does anybody ever look at these things and think how horribly dumb this ban is?
Quote from: GLantern on March 18, 2009, 06:40:25 AM
This is so ridiculous what will kids do in school now? I bet there is lead in the playgrounds, and in the classroom. Does anybody ever look at these things and think how horribly dumb this ban is?
Lead is indisputably a serious factor in health, so I am all for limiting exposure, we just need to do it in intelligent ways.
Who knows, it could be a cause of more and more common childhood developmental problems but is masked since it is so prevalent all around us.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on March 18, 2009, 10:59:37 AM
Lead is indisputably a serious factor in health, so I am all for limiting exposure, we just need to do it in intelligent ways.
Who knows, it could be a cause of more and more common childhood developmental problems but is masked since it is so prevalent all around us.
mitt
That's what i was trying to say but i was too fired up :P. People need to think before imposing bans like this. The lead needs to be diminished in a smart way we can not just start saying EVERYTHING and ANYTHING with lead must be tossed out.