Ducati Monster Forum

OMG  :P   Long post, but I hope it helps.

Guys - my measurements and comments are as follows.... (remember that most of this post relates to the coffin reservoirs issues)

My impression is that these are very well made and look great. They are not plug and play for my bike, but can be fitted by "anyone" with some patience. Jeff at MonsterParts have the required spacers and other bolts you might/might not need.

1. SWAP LEFT/RIGHT. The riser part itself must be swapped left/right and rotated 180 degrees. This will leave less bar pinch clamp material, for the coffins to clear. My model Swatts require longer bolts (30mm) for the riser/fork clamp connection. Newer model Swatts might not.
It's important to notice that this "swap" can only be done with the 3.5" model - shorter risers will hit the top triple (I think).

2. SPACERS. Even with "the swap" the spacers are required. One picture show some clearance, which might be needed to rotate the levers. The shown clearance is not enough to avoid getting the spacers, but it's a very close call.

3. BAR ENDS. Inner diameter is larger than stock bars. I will have to use the supplied larger plastic thingies (?) to fit the ends. Some bar ends might not fit at all, if they are stock bar specific.

4. REROUTING. My dealer rotated the throttle assembly. I'm not sure if this can be avoided - it looks tight.
My SW-Motech mirror wideners (TwistedThrottle.com) complicated this to a certain degree.
Some of the rerouting was done to accommodate the SpeedyMoto top triple, which BTW required the front to be lowered "a little" / 2-3-4-5 mm.

5. REACH. My measurement of the stock vs clip ons reach is somewhat effected by adjusting the steering stops and the fact that the clip ons aren't as wide as the stock bars. The new sweep angle put the grips closer to the rider, even if the risers are mounted in front of the forks. Anyhow: the grips are 1" closer to the seat, where I measured, than the stock bars were.

6. HEIGHT. This is where I failed (big time) to calculate correctly. These clip ons, as most, have 5 degrees down angle. More, much more, importantly the sweep angle puts the grips at an even steeper angle, thus even lower. I thought the height would be about an inch lower, but it's about 3 inches lower than stock. I measured from the bottom of the fork tubes to the inner part of the grips.

TO SUM IT UP.  I wanted further reach and more height than I got. It's not even close to plug and play. I will try to get used to the new set up. It will be good for the track and twisties, but I'm worried about the radical changes.


EDIT  News today - I apparently got the risers from a 2.5" kit. I will confirm when I doublecheck.



(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/clipons001.jpg)

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/clipons004.jpg)

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/clipons008.jpg)

how are they measure 3.5" from absolute bottom to top? it looks like it barely cleared teh triple. lol

htye do look pretty nice though.

They are about 4" from top to bottom.

How will that translate into 3.5" inches of rise? I guess it depends on where the "no rise model" has it's bars mounted. If they are mounted very low on the clamp the advertised 3.5" might be correct. If the total indeed is 4", half a bar tube is 11mm (x 2) and there is about 5mm of material on either end - the rise is more like 68mm (= ~2 2/3 inches) Damn it - I might have gotten the wrong ones.... Gonna check with Swatt...........

Nice write-up and thanks for the good pics.  Something for me to think about when deciding weather to get these or not.  Fitment was my only question.  I do not have coffins but the space still looks tight for my master cylinders.

I bought the 1 1/2 " ones and `am pretty happy with them. I also lowered my gauges and headlight while I was at it. I also moved the bars out a little bit from the clamp. I can see on yours that the bar is all the way inside the clamp. I moved mine out to make the bar longer. I do not have spacers but am considering them. I`ll get a pic from the front as soon as I can. They are a lot lower than stock and I find the angle to work quite well. I just put 300 miles on it the other day w/ no problems.

Well, it looks fantastic and you picked my favorite triple.  I hope this setup grows on you, because I know you put a crapload of research into the decision.  I have been thinking of something similar when I put the new forks on.  If you could do it over, what do you think you'd do differently?

Look at Speedymoto's new Tall Boy clipons - they are advertised as having a 3.5" rise(89mm), and look a lot taller mounted than yours do. Maybe you got the wrong ones.

Measuring the sweep angle by looking at the pictures - I guess the angle is about 35 degrees, which is quite radical. I might get more reach and the bars away from the tank if I adjust them for a little less sweep.



I'm checking it out - getting them one inch higher would be good. If I got the wrong ones, that's an easy fix.


I really hope it all works out - it was expensive enough. If I knew about the height issue, I would have been too afraid of the radical changes. As it is now, I will find out if anything is wrong with the parts I got - either I get a longer Swatt riser or I get SpeedyMotos and put my assembled bars into those.
OR: I just get used to them. (Trying to stay positive)

If you do get the Speedymotos, you might as well change the bars.  That's what gives the Speedymotos the adjustability.

I kind of hope those are the 2.5" model I ordered the 2.5's if there shorter than what you posted I may have to get the 3.5"s instead  [bang]

they probably count from the bottom of the clip on to the middle of the bar. because this is how 3.5" cycle cats look like.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/3131933942_b6b0e8b097_o.jpg)
 measured from top of clip on to center of bar i believe. the speedy moto seems to be like that as well. Noticed how far from the triple they are.

I hope so too, because then it will be "easy" to fix for me. My SpeedyMoto top triple is about 5mm higher than stock AND there is some clearance over the triple, but probably still not enough for your 2.5" to clear. (if you need to do the swap/rotate thing)


Yeah, CC and SpeedyMoto seem to have a similar idea of what 3.5" is.
I think the correct way to measure/advertise would be from where a no-rise clip on places the base of the bar and up to the raised corresponding point. If so, the no-rise Swatt model has the bar at the middle of the fork clip (bottom of the bar is ~5mm from the bottom of the fork clip) - adding 3.5", a full bar and the material over the raised bar will have to be like this (?): 5mm + 3.5"/88mm + 22mm + 5mm = 120mm total assembly. My total assembly is about 100mm.
At this point my conclusion is that I got the wrong riser parts or that the advertised 3.5" rise just isn't there.
I will communicate with MonsterParts and Swatt to get to the bottom of this.

I shouldn't have to do the riser swap, I have piss cup reservoirs thats just the height I was going for having the bars just above the triples.  thanks for all the info and pics  [thumbsup]

 ;D :) :) [thumbsup] [drink]

I received news today - I most probably got the risers from a 2.5" kit.
Double checking when my dealer can get it done. Pretty sure it's so - it all falls in place if the clip ons in my pictures are the 2.5"

I'm sorry to have caused all the disturbance about the height, clearance and whatnot.

that sucks you may have received the wrong kit, but thank jebus it all worked out.  i have the 2.5 kit on order with monster parts and i am hoping it all works out.  after i read this post about the 3.5 kit i was getting worried about my decision.  im sure it will still take some adjusting to get it all right, but now im in the "i can't wait" attitude again. 

If all is according to Murphy's law - you'll get the 3.5" risers which I should have gotten. Back and forth ;D

"Can't wait" is my mood of the day also - when I realised it's probably going to work out after all. I could have been pissed off, but I'm looking at the bright side of things today. Besides, it's not possible to get angry at MonsterParts - Jeff's service is always above and beyond, so he has more than enough good will. Besides, there are still loads of snow here, so I'm in no hurry.

Dealer?

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] You gotta start learning how to wrench on your own bike at some point.

Go get some tools, get some books, read the internet,... Hell, take a class if you have to.   It's not that hard.

Maintenance stuff like valves or engine work, sure I understand.  

There's nothing like standing back after you're done, and saying "yup,...I did that myself".

I know it sounds strange to have my dealer measure it for me [thumbsup]
What you didn't know is that my bike is in storage a two hour drive away from me. If it is of importance, they don't charge me for minor stuff like this.

Also, I'm tired of people looking down on those of us who are not wrenching our own bikes. I do minor stuff, like bolt ons, fabbed my custom beer tray, installed alarm a.s.o. Everyone need help at some point - I don't mind needing more help than a few others. It's my first year in a while with an interesting bike and I'm learning as I go - it just takes time.

If I read your post with an open mind, I think you mean well. The feeling of having done something "difficult" myself is great, you're absolutely right.
The level of "difficult" is very different for any one individual, that's all.

I see it this way with work I do on my bike.  If I do it, I know it's done the way i want it done.  Not the way I hope someone I'm paying is going to do it. 
It's very possible for someone you are paying to do the work correct, but not to your liking.  For example, bar angle, bar sweep in your case.  If you did the work yourself and you didn't like it, you at least have the ability to make it right at that point. 

Also, if you notice something is wrong, like with wrong parts (e.g. risers), you can stop to make sure everything it correct before proceeding with the installation.

Working on your own bike also gives you the opportunity to learn about how and why the manufacturer built these things the way they did (whether it be good or bad).

or you could just be too broke and cant afford someone to do it... :P

or you have the $$$, but rather use it on other mods rather than labor costs.  ;)

 :( i wish i was the later rather then the former.  :)

You definitely got the 2.5's mine came in today here are a couple reference pics.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/kieshyiah/STA72265.jpg)

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/kieshyiah/STA72269.jpg)

im still waiting for mine   [drink]

did monsterparts give you guys a tracking number or did they just show up?  if the latter, about how long from order to delivery? im being lazy, i should email jeff at monsterparts  ;D  i ordered em thursday last week, but they were out of stock atm and waiting on the next shipment which should have been there any day.  if they're not here friday i shoot him an email then and see what he knows.  im not in any "dire need", just a "i want to do this need"  [evil]

They seem to be my height exactly - by now I'm pretty sure I don't have the 3.5".
How tall are yours - from top to bottom?



I'm in Europe and they showed up in my country after 4 days. MonsterParts might be waiting for new stock from Swatt (no tracking # means not shipped, I guess)

they were out of stock when I ordered also took about 2 weeks to recieve.



the complete riser bottom to top is about 3.4''

Are you sure? Not 4"?
I was told the 3.5" rise model is 5" top to bottom - which should put yours at 4".
I'm loosing my mind [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]

My bad my "made in North Korea" ruler must be off.  remeasured it's 4''   [thumbsup]

THANK YOU [thumbsup]

[laugh]

no shit. north korea? lol since when did we impor anything from them?

While there's all this measuring going on, could one of you guys do me a favour?
I need to know the distance between the inside of the fork clamp and the inside of the riser.

Here's the measurement of my triple for reference:
(http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm441/Zook_2008/The%20Monster/12032009393.jpg)

I snuck in and stole it from Kim Il-sung  [evil]

I don't have my bike here, so I'm sorry not being able to measure. What I see in your picture is a very bulky triple (CC?) which would probably not allow these risers, unless you install the bars at almost 45 degrees sweep angle. The solution might be to machine your triple - or get the SpeedyMoto Tall Boy, which mounts on the outside of the forks - not in front like the Swatts.

Yes, it is a Cycle Cat triple. Clip-ons at 45 degrees would be way too much sweep for me, so yeah, maybe I'll have to go with the Tall-Boys.

Do you anticipate the same issues with your coffin reservoirs and needing the spacers when you get the correct 3.5's?

If it's me you're asking - yes, I do. The spacers are required for the reservoirs to clear the bar pinch part of the risers. That won't change with the taller risers.

Yes, sorry for the confusion.   So do you think the Speedymotos would have any issues with coffins? 

I don't know, they look a little slimmer - call Christian at SpeedyMoto or Jeff at MonsterParts?

I have the SpeedyMoto clip-ons (the first gen design without the rise) and needed spacers for my coffin masters.  Not sure if you're referring to those or the new design made for the monster that has the rise.

FYI, I actually no longer have the coffins and am selling my spacers that I bought from MonsterParts.