Hey guys !
I have been thinking about selling the monster. Makes me sad to even have the thought of parting ways, but the truth of the matter is that I have been drooling about the new monster style since I saw the 696. I would like to buy the new M1100 but want to get the most out of the sale of my S4R and if that means holding on for a little longer after the economy gets better so prices go up again, then so be it (if that can be considered a true statement), but I am afraid that if I wait longer, the new monsters will make the old ones lose even more value for being out dated. Please give me your thoughts to make a financially sound decision.
Cheers [thumbsup]
There seem to be plenty of folks who prefer the look of the previous generation of Monsters. I doubt the M1100 and especially the M696 are going to result in your S4R being worth less.
Quote from: pompetta on April 11, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
There seem to be plenty of folks who prefer the look of the previous generation of Monsters. I doubt the M1100 and especially the M696 are going to result in your S4R being worth less.
but what if ducati releases S*R models in the new style with SSS?
But why would you dump an S4R for a M1100?
This does not compute. ???
LA
Quote from: Cucciolo on April 11, 2009, 11:27:47 AM
Hey guys !
I have been thinking about selling the 2005 S4R. Makes me sad to even have the thought of parting ways, but the truth of the matter is that I have been drooling about the new monster style since I saw the 696. I would like to buy the new M1100 but want to get the most out of the sale of my S4R and if that means holding on for a little longer after the economy gets better so prices go up again, then so be it (if that can be considered a true statement), but I am afraid that if I wait longer, the new monsters will make the old ones lose even more value for being out dated. Please give me your thoughts to make a financially sound decision.
Cheers [thumbsup]
S4R Monsters are kinda screwed, they have the old school desmoquattro engines with the known issues. Are expensive to maintain (relatively) and honestly are a bit dated. They aren't going to go up in value when (if) the economy rebounds.
The new 696/1100s are the latest thing. Easier and cheaper to maintain. They have the new look. They cost a lot to buy new, they will depreciate at a fast rate, just like most new bikes.
The sound financial decision would to be sell the S4R and not buy any other motorcycle.
Any other thing you do is just rationalization, buy what you want.
I bought my outdated S4R used, it had 4,000 miles on it, with a full Arrow system and a PCIII. I paid less than half the sticker price of a stock bike. I think the price on these will hold here for a long time, condition will affect the price from here on, not age. I think the S4R looks better than the 696/1100, but thats just me. I'm keeping mine, I can buy a few Megacycled rockers at each valve adjustment, and have a lot left over for upgrades.
Quote from: LA on April 11, 2009, 05:33:29 PM
But why would you dump an S4R for a M1100?
This does not compute. ???
LA
+1
Quote from: desmodue on April 11, 2009, 05:52:07 PM
S4R Monsters are kinda screwed, they have the old school desmoquattro engines with the known issues. Are expensive to maintain (relatively) and honestly are a bit dated.
Mine was always bullet proof. It is on its second owner and still running strong. There were some SBKs with the desmoquattro that had bad rockers but I think you'll find many more 2V engines as of late that have bad rockers. Mine never even needed a valve adjusted in 40K miles. There are twice as many valves than the desmodue but they hold their adjustments a lot better.
You know, I've seen the ads on Craigslist or Cycle trader for the big buck Harleys and whatnot, and they always put, something like "$40,000 invested, asking $15,000 or best offer." Doesn't sound like much of an investment to me. I look at my bikes the same way. I didn't buy the S4 for an investment, I bought it to ride, beat the shit out of it, flog it until it dies, either sell it cheap or scrap it out, or maybe rebuild some stuff and ride it some more. To me, they are all toys. That's why I don't buy new, I could if I wanted to, but I don't like taking that 40% hit rolling it out of the showroom door. The only exception was my YZ450F, but that is because I got a screaming deal on a leftover '06 a couple years ago, and I would not be buying someones freestyle/supercross/let's see how many times I can throw it off a cliff today bike. Streetbikes you can generally tell how beat they are. I've never made any money selling one of my old bikes, but I have come real close to breaking even after a couple of years. I look at it like how much fun did I have, how much did it cost me per year of ownership when I sold it, and was it worth it.
Quote from: corndog67 on April 11, 2009, 07:33:10 PM
You know, I've seen the ads on Craigslist or Cycle trader for the big buck Harleys and whatnot, and they always put, something like "$40,000 invested, asking $15,000 or best offer."
i know that you already know this, but no one should ever expect to get any money out of aftermarket mods. if anything buyers can complain that its not stock. i bought my bike for less than the PO put into aftermarket as well as many owners i am sure. same goes for cars
To throw another thought into the mix here, The S4R is a known quantity, we (as Monster owners/Fanatics) know the problems and quirks with the S4R bikes, the new generation is a bit of unknown, we know of some issues (such as the coil problems on the 696) but it is still a bit of an unknown animal, yes, we know the engine, we know the basic structure, but until they get some time and miles on the road I will remain a little wary of them, Don't get me wrong, I like the look of the 1100 Monster, but would I give up my S2R for it? No, I never believe in buying the first generation of a new model, let it get out on the road, shake out the bugs, then I'll look at it.
Just my $0.02
I've had my s4r since 04,love the bike and i don't see myself replacing it with the new look,don't get me wrong guys,i like the new look but just not cup of tea.still like the rounded look of the old monsters.:-)
Classic design is timeless.
That is why 1st gen Monsters will never be out dated.
Only a little older.
"The new 696/1100s are the latest thing. Easier and cheaper to maintain. They have the new look. They cost a lot to buy new, they will depreciate at a fast rate, just like most new bikes."
That's the problem....
Quote from: hunduc on April 12, 2009, 05:42:50 AM
The new 696/1100s are the latest thing. Easier and cheaper to maintain. They have the new look. They cost a lot to buy new, they will depreciate at a fast rate, just like most new bikes.
That's the problem....
Quote from: desmodue on April 11, 2009, 05:52:07 PM
S4R Monsters are kinda screwed, they have the old school desmoquattro engines with the known issues. Are expensive to maintain (relatively) and honestly are a bit dated. They aren't going to go up in value when (if) the economy rebounds.
The new 696/1100s are the latest thing. Easier and cheaper to maintain. They have the new look. They cost a lot to buy new, they will depreciate at a fast rate, just like most new bikes.
The sound financial decision would to be sell the S4R and not buy any other motorcycle.
Any other thing you do is just rationalization, buy what you want.
I bought my outdated S4R used, it had 4,000 miles on it, with a full Arrow system and a PCIII. I paid less than half the sticker price of a stock bike. I think the price on these will hold here for a long time, condition will affect the price from here on, not age. I think the S4R looks better than the 696/1100, but thats just me. I'm keeping mine, I can buy a few Megacycled rockers at each valve adjustment, and have a lot left over for upgrades.
I've heard a few techs say that the new Monsters are more difficult to work on -- more difficult to reach things.
My desmoquattro-powered S4R has had no issues, and I've not seen any such Monster with rocker flaking problems. And as I've said many times, if you're not bouncing the bike off the rev limiter all the time, the 6000 mile valve check interval is way too often.
Plus, since I plan on keeping mine, its market value is of no concern. I saw a blue '04 S4R at a local shop for $7999 -- it sold.
I want to sell my 2004 S4r and buy a 900 carby.
yes, I just said that.
for my style of riding, a 2v is a much better option than a 4v.
Also, I could have a 944 kit installed, 41 FCR's, etc etc.
Did somebody just say "financially sound decision" and motorcycle in the same sentence? [laugh]
At least for me, all bikes are toys and if I worried about the money angle I just couldn't enjoy them. Jeez, you can drop one in the blink of an eye, anytime. I'd be more worried about that happening and ruining my "investment" than I would any potential loss of resale value cause of new models.
Just my two cents worth...
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 12, 2009, 06:11:22 AM
I want to sell my 2004 S4r and buy a 900 carby.
yes, I just said that.
for my style of riding, a 2v is a much better option than a 4v.
Also, I could have a 944 kit installed, 41 FCR's, etc etc.
I'd like one too, but not instead of my S4R, rather in addition to.
Quote from: pompetta on April 12, 2009, 06:08:22 AM
I saw a blue '04 S4R at a local shop for $7999 -- it sold.
Boo.
honestly i love the 696/1100 but for those of you with the watercooled monsters... the only way to go for updating would be the SF. the 1100 just won't float your boat powerwise. styling... well a matter of PERSONAL opinion. if you like it great if not ok. but change is a coming.
i never liked the watercooled monsters personally. they were TOO far from the original concept. the new 696/1100 are closer to the original, even if the rear subframe is not to mosts liking. gawd can't wait til someone produces a tube-subframe...STEW?????
SO back to the original question. Keep it sell it, get what makes you happy. hell i would love to go buy a 94 SS 750. does that date me?
Quote from: Raux on April 12, 2009, 10:18:11 AM
..the new 696/1100 are closer to the original, even if the rear subframe...
You lost me here. ;D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 12, 2009, 06:11:22 AM
I want to sell my 2004 S4r and buy a 900 carby.
yes, I just said that.
for my style of riding, a 2v is a much better option than a 4v.
Also, I could have a 944 kit installed, 41 FCR's, etc etc.
I used JCs bike for a day too and loved the feel of that 900 motor
Quote from: pompetta on April 12, 2009, 10:23:05 AM
You lost me here. ;D
lightweight naked aircooled motorcycles.
Quote from: Cucciolo on April 11, 2009, 11:27:47 AM
Hey guys !
I have been thinking about selling the 2005 S4R. Makes me sad to even have the thought of parting ways, but the truth of the matter is that I have been drooling about the new monster style since I saw the 696. I would like to buy the new M1100 but want to get the most out of the sale of my S4R and if that means holding on for a little longer after the economy gets better so prices go up again, then so be it (if that can be considered a true statement), but I am afraid that if I wait longer, the new monsters will make the old ones lose even more value for being out dated. Please give me your thoughts to make a financially sound decision.
Cheers [thumbsup]
For me I had the opposite reaction. I want to hang on to my S4R. It will always be to much bike for me so I don't think I will ever out grow it.
If I do get another naked bike it will prob be another barely used S4R or S4Rs with a few thousand miles on it. Maybe give the 998cc a whirl [thumbsup]
Quote from: pompetta on April 12, 2009, 07:08:48 AM
I'd like one too, but not instead of my S4R, rather in addition to.
Ideally that would be nice, but $$ tends to get in the way of that.
Quote from: desmopr on April 12, 2009, 10:30:01 AM
I used JCs bike for a day too and loved the feel of that 900 motor
I got sloppy seconds from your moldy ass? ;D
With 32k on the clock, that thing still starts up first time and runs very strong.
It was just hard to get used to that 20% error on the speedo.
I was doing 85 indicated and was getting blown by on 275, so I asked him about it and that is when he informed me that 100 indicated is really 80.
Now makes me re-think my 99 750's speedo.........
I do know on my S4r that 120 indicated is really only 98.
At least that is what the Ohio State Patrol laser gun registered
Quote from: Raux on April 12, 2009, 10:18:11 AM
i never liked the watercooled monsters personally. they were TOO far from the original concept.
Actually, I'm surprised that it isn't more widely known that the ORIGINAL Monster concept as built by Miguel Galluzzi, had a 4-valve engine in it. The 2 valve engine was designated for the production model by management/accounting decisions.
I've got my #2 '07 S4Rs w, ( 7 ) miles on it for sale for another 4-6 days until my new bike comes in. ( See Monsters for Sale )
I've had the White Pearl Monster since the day it was delivered to me by the Dealer and I have never ridden it.
I have 2 S4Rss just alike.
It is all stock and I'm asking $10,500.
Somebody could get a basically new S4Rs for........... $4,500 less than the bike sold for new.
I started it a week ago, 4/6/09 and ran it until it got to 222 degrees then shut it off and put it back on the Battery Tender and after it cooled down put the soft car cover over it inside where it has been since it was delivered. Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on April 12, 2009, 08:41:03 PM
I've got my #2 '07 S4Rs w, ( 7 ) miles on it for sale for another 4-6 days until my new bike comes in. ( See Monsters for Sale )
I've had the White Pearl Monster since the day it was delivered to me by the Dealer and I have never ridden it.
I have 2 S4Rss just alike.
It is all stock and I'm asking $10,500.
Somebody could get a basically new S4Rs for........... $4,500 less than the bike sold for new.
I started it a week ago, 4/6/09 and ran it until it got to 222 degrees then shut it off and put it back on the Battery Tender and after it cooled down put the soft car cover over it inside where it has been since it was delivered. Dolph :)
??? Why you wasting a bike Dolph? Damn, wish I had 10k sitting around I'd snag that from you in a heart beat.
Quote from: desmodue on April 12, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Actually, I'm surprised that it isn't more widely known that the ORIGINAL Monster concept as built by Miguel Galluzzi, had a 4-valve engine in it. The 2 valve engine was designated for the production model by management/accounting decisions.
ok learn new things everyday... that's my motto by the way... anyway... to CORRECT my statement, too far from the original PRODUCTION monster.
Quote from: Raux on April 12, 2009, 11:40:19 AM
lightweight naked aircooled motorcycles.
I was referring to the subframe being a greater departure than the water cooler. :)
I've found a few uses for the radiator -- or rather the radiator shrouds. I have the horn hidden behind the left shroud, and the overflow bottle hidden behind the right shroud. Of course, I wouldn't have to hide the overflow bottle if I didn't have a radiator. :P
hey, how hard or possible would it be to have an aircooled 4v monster?
Quote from: Raux on April 13, 2009, 06:33:09 AM
hey, how hard or possible would it be to have an aircooled 4v monster?
Just live under water.
I've had my bike for 2.5 years now and I have not even considered selling it. I have not found anything I like better and if I did it would be an addition instead of a replacement. Maybe Galluzzi's new bike, the Aprilia V4, when it is available.
The bike that many older, long-time (i.e., over 40) Ducati owners seem to really like are the pre-Terblanche 2V Supersports....