I'm buying an '06 S2R 1000 with 1300 miles and the original belts. It's about 140 miles away and I would love to ride it home but..... I'd hate to end up with broken parts and wallet, and a long walk home. Is it worth taking the chance? Thaaaanks.
do it.
ive got an s4rs and the service intervals are 7500 miles....
even if you meant 13,000 miles thats still not a lot for aramid belts....
I would have them replace the belts beforehand, since the service interval on them is 6000 miles OR two years.
Lot of opinions on this tho (I have 3 years and 9000 miles on my belts, but the way I look at it is if they fail and blow up my motor, I have a nice excuse to drop in a 900 ;D)
Replace the belts, and RIDE IT!
Yeah, go on and do the belts NOW so you don't have to interrupt riding season later to do it.
Quote from: trpletme on April 14, 2009, 07:25:57 AM
I'm buying an '06 S2R 1000 with 1300 miles and the original belts. It's about 140 miles away and I would love to ride it home but..... I'd hate to end up with broken parts and wallet, and a long walk home. Is it worth taking the chance? Thaaaanks.
I just replaced the belts on my M900 for the second time. The set that came off were 3 1/2 years old with about 10,000 miles on them and they were still in good shape. In the realm of anything's possible, and to be truely safe regarding the belts, putting new belts on would be the way to go. In the real world, if that bike only has 1300 miles on it then you should be fine to ride it home. You stand more of a chance of some oddball electrical failure occuring than having a belt break.
Survey says? I does have 1300 miles and there lies another concern. Do the belts "take a set" from sitting in one position for so long? My snowmobile belt sure does, but it is allot thicker. But I usually pop that off if its going to sit for any length of time. Thanks for all of your input.
Quote from: minnesotamonster on April 14, 2009, 08:01:47 AM
I would have them replace the belts beforehand, since the service interval on them is 6000 miles OR two years.
It's 12K miles or 2 years..
Well, the question is then,.. has it been sitting for two years or ridden continually but not long distances. I have a friend who has a 2004 Monster with 3,000 miles and he rides almost every week but not for long rides. A sitting bike would indeed need at least a check because gas and oil can degrade sitting for so long.
Quote from: trpletme on April 14, 2009, 10:07:17 AM
Survey says? I does have 1300 miles and there lies another concern. Do the belts "take a set" from sitting in one position for so long? My snowmobile belt sure does, but it is allot thicker. But I usually pop that off if its going to sit for any length of time. Thanks for all of your input.
changing the belts is cheap insurance on your investment....do it.
Ride it home, don't be a sissy girl.
the forum seems to be pretty solid on the 2 years/ 12000 miles thing.
but every time i mention it to my dealer, they say... we can replace them for you, but the service interval is 12000 miles, and has no time requirement. got the same thing from another wrencher as well... not sure what to do...
Quote from: NAKID on April 14, 2009, 10:11:47 AM
It's 12K miles or 2 years..
d'oh [bang] You're right.
I bought my 02 620 last october with 4800 miles on it, I rode the original belt till Feb when it clocked 6k miles before changing it (that's ~7yrs)
Your results may vary obviously, but I'm thinking you should be fine
just take it easy
From the 696 Ducati manual, in a scrambled format:
List of operations with frequency
(distance or time interval*)
km x1000 1 12 24 36 48 60
miles x1000 0.6 7.5 15 22.5 30 37.5
Months 6 12 24 36 48 60
Renew the timing belts • •
* Service operation to be carried out in accordance with the specified distance or time intervals (km or months),
whichever occurs first.
The format should be a table. If you want, look it up on Ducati.com
The dots for renewing timing belts fall under 15K miles or 24 months and 30K miles or 48 months, in short, they state a time interval. Sure, the interval is conservative. If a belt breaks prematurely, they buy the damage during warranty. Even after warranty, they could possibly be stuck with the bill if the problem is big enough. As far as the dealer and wrench who say there is no time interval, show them the maintenance schedule and ask them if they will transport the bike and fix it for free if a belt breaks.
Truth is you will probably make it home OK. Think about the consequences if you don't. Then evaluate the risk and make up your mind.
If you are posting the question, it will be on your mind, so either have them replaced, or trailer it home.
I would ride it myself. Even with brand new belts, you have a slight chance of having a belt break due to wrong tension, an idler pulley going bad etc. Your risk with Ducati motorcycles is never Zero, so take that for what it is worth.
Another question is, when did the original owner buy it and put it on the road? Even if it is a '06, it might not have been bought till end of '06 season, or '07.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on April 14, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
If you are posting the question, it will be on your mind, so either have them replaced, or trailer it home.
I would ride it myself. Even with brand new belts, you have a slight chance of having a belt break due to wrong tension, an idler pulley going bad etc. Your risk with Ducati motorcycles is never Zero, so take that for what it is worth.
Another question is, when did the original owner buy it and put it on the road? Even if it is a '06, it might not have been bought till end of '06 season, or '07.
mitt
+1
Personally, id ride it, the new belts are kevlar reinforced, and it aint gonna snap on you for no reason, though part of it might round out from sitting for a long period of time, i would just stay away from smashing the throttle.
i have an 06 S2R1000 at 10,000 miles and im just changing my belts now.
RIDE IT
Ride it home.
Ride it home hell? I'd ride it for something approaching 13000 mi. and change the belts. [thumbsup]
But then of course that's me and YRMV.
LA
You guys are great. I think the survey says ride baby ride. I will let you know how it turns out. I'm anxious to see how this feels compared to my Thunderbird Sport. Thanks!
ride it home...those belts are far tougher than Ducati gives them credit for.
if it makes you feel any better, my bike (04 m800) was showing around 13k when the gauges quit working the last time and im still on the stock belts. i check them all the time and they look fine. i plan on replacing them sometime in the next year or so though.
Quote from: LA on April 14, 2009, 07:14:36 PM
Ride it home hell? I'd ride it for something approaching 13000 mi. and change the belts. [thumbsup]
But then of course that's me and YRMV.
LA
I feel the same way.
My 2004 M800 was 2 years old when I bought it, and it had 400 miles on it. I soon had a 600 mile service done (without replacing the belts) and rode it without worry for another 1.5 years until I hit the 6000 mile service. At 6k I had to have some cylinder head porting work done ([evil]) and I had the belts replaced at that time.
After almost 4 years and 6k miles, the original timing belts in my Monster looked fine. They probably could have gone another 6k, but I chose to replace them anyway.
Don't worry about it,
Ride it home. You'll be completely fine.
Ride it home. Don't be a girlymon. You'll be fine.
For those who said "ride it home" Thanks! Having never ridden a Duc before, I had no idea what to expect. But, then again,that's the way the first you plant your a.. on anything. 137 mile ride home and it was a blast! Compared to my '99 Thunderbird Sport. None... The S2R rides better, seat is much more comfortable, handling: no comparison and it is allot of fun. It is absolutely beautiful to look at. Course the wife was not to impressed when I told I had finally found the Monster I was going to buy. She doesn't understand why I need two bikes. They (some)just Can't Understand Normal Thinking. But,what's normal? Not me......And I got my Monster!!!!!!
Thanks for input.
sweet! enjoy!
where are the pics, man? sheesh
As soon as I can. It's been raining all week... :(
Why do auto manufacturers recommend 5yrs./60K for the timing belts on a car? The duc belts are made of the same material, so why can't they get the same lifespan? Because Duc dealers want to take $3-500 out of your pocket every 2 years. I'm changing mine at 5 years, well actually 6 years as I will be doing it at the end of the riding season. I've talked to several non duc bike and auto mechanics and they agree that the belts should be perfectly okay for at LEAST 5 years.
Quote from: gregrnel on April 23, 2009, 08:32:07 AM
Why do auto manufacturers recommend 5yrs./60K for the timing belts on a car? The duc belts are made of the same material, so why can't they get the same lifespan? Because Duc dealers want to take $3-500 out of your pocket every 2 years. I'm changing mine at 5 years, well actually 6 years as I will be doing it at the end of the riding season. I've talked to several non duc bike and auto mechanics and they agree that the belts should be perfectly okay for at LEAST 5 years.
The belts on Duc engines are bent into tighter radii than car belts...and they spin faster. This combination makes them wear out faster. The consequence of one breaking is also much more severe on your Duc.
...but I agree with most everyone, in general mileage is more important than time for belts. I would change them every 12K though.
agree with Triple J, if your belt fails on your bike, the sudden change in bike performance could lead to a crash. I like the mileage rule better if you don't stick with the recommended intervals. I would believe that the recommended intervals factor in heavy track use on the superbikes where the revs are high constantly. if you poke around town the wear and tear on the belts should be less.
Thanks for the tips. Any tips on what stand to get and do I need any special tools to adjust the chain? Thanks.....
Quote from: gregrnel on April 23, 2009, 08:32:07 AM
Why do auto manufacturers recommend 5yrs./60K for the timing belts on a car? The duc belts are made of the same material, so why can't they get the same lifespan? Because Duc dealers want to take $3-500 out of your pocket every 2 years. I'm changing mine at 5 years, well actually 6 years as I will be doing it at the end of the riding season. I've talked to several non duc bike and auto mechanics and they agree that the belts should be perfectly okay for at LEAST 5 years.
So....by that same line of reasoning, I should not change my moto tires until at least 30K because that's what my car gets?
A bike is not a car. They are not used the same, nor should they be treated the same.
Point well taken.
Quote from: gregrnel on April 23, 2009, 08:32:07 AM
Why do auto manufacturers recommend 5yrs./60K for the timing belts on a car? The duc belts are made of the same material, so why can't they get the same lifespan? Because Duc dealers want to take $3-500 out of your pocket every 2 years. I'm changing mine at 5 years, well actually 6 years as I will be doing it at the end of the riding season. I've talked to several non duc bike and auto mechanics and they agree that the belts should be perfectly okay for at LEAST 5 years.
Most of these cars have larger pulley diameters, don't rev to 9K, and are not air cooled. Where did the $300-500 figure come from?
it was a much larger range $3-500. So it pretty much covers all maintenance. HA!
Quote from: MrIncredible on April 23, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
So....by that same line of reasoning, I should not change my moto tires until at least 30K because that's what my car gets?
A bike is not a car. They are not used the same, nor should they be treated the same.
On my first Monster a 2006 620, which In bought in 07' I didn't have to change the front tire until after 28,000. They were Bridgestone BT56. The rear was replaced three times within that mileage, but thats only because a nail was responsible for one those changes.
Holy @)#*! The best ive gotten out of tires on my Thunderbird Sport is 6600 ( Metzler z6's). The bike does weigh 500 dry. The Avon Storms that I have on it now look like they may give me about 10,000 miles.
No, a bike is not a car. All I'm stating is that Ducati's recommended service interval for belts is far too conservative with a 2 year period. If you live in a state with only one Duc dealership, most of the time you will pay 2-3 times for the same service when compared to a place where there's competition. I was quoted $850 for 6K service on a 620, the belts were an extra $300!