Ducati Monster Forum

Okay Folks,

We now have a finished prototype of the 620 / 695 aftermarket oil cooler from H Competition.  I do however need some input from the owners of these bikes.  I have the option of routing the lines aka S2R style (one on each side), or the M1100 style (both lines on the same side).  We have finished the preliminary testing and everything seems to be working.  We rode in 99F weather today.  I am still awaiting the final temp data to see if we need to route any additional air to the cooler, but I think we should be good as it is the same cooler the 696 uses.  Here are the pics of the working prototype...

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8089/620oc006.jpg)

(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6091/620oc007.jpg)

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4097/620oc008.jpg)

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Nice.  Any ballpark on street price yet?

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It would definitely look better with both lines run behind the front exhaust header and up the left side of the engine.

Agreed.  I don't like to see any lines cross over the belt covers.

doesn't the OEM cooler have the lines running from the underside of the unit rather than from the top?  I'd kind of prefer that as well personally.

To answer the questions, the price of the cooler will be just under $400 from our retailers.  As far as the lines, it seems most people like the routing like the 696 / 1100.  The lines for the OEM 695 run to the top of the oil cooler.  Its not really a good idea to feed the lines from underneath as our engineer pointed out, you can more or less get an air bubble in the cooler and lose a large amount of efficiency.  Ducati does not include have a true scavenging system like a dry sump on a race car.  If you have a pump for scavenge and for pressure, you can run a cooler upside down with no ill effects.  It is better to have gravity help your oil return....

+1 to the oil cooler lines on the left side of the motor.

I think it would look good if you ran it vertically, inlet on top, to keep the look of the bike narrow.

It looks great and I'm increasingly interested as summer approaches quickly.  I like the vertical idea with the lines running on the left side of the engine.  Any estimate on the availability?  Also, excuse my ignorance, but the DP oil cooler kit includes a valve cover and a flapper valve, does this kit require the same?  How much increased heat dissipation are we to expect?  Thanks.

As far as we can tell, the bike is staying at 240 or below.  Before he was seeing anything from 270-290.  The kit will come with the flapper valve and we have a valve cover mod / work around.  The kit will bolt right up, no grinding or weird fabrication.  I will look at some options for a vertical design as well. The kit will be offered in both the lines on either side or on the left side. The kit will be available in 2 weeks from Motowheels.  Maybe Ryan can chime in (the 620 owner).

I had recently bought a used oil cooler off ebay.  It came with the all the connectors and lines.  But I still have to locate the valve cover to bolt the cooler on.  What kind of mod/workaround do you have?  Would you sell just the mod/workaround, insteading of the whole kit?

Thanks,

that looks like a great future mod.  Do you know where we can order it from?

The mod we use are spacers in the valve cover recess and then mount a frame around the oil cooler that sits on top of the valve cover.  If you have the regular style cooler, you would have to fab a frame around the cooler and do the same. The existing frame tabs would then have to be removed.  The least amount of work would be to probably buy the valve cover piece and the hardware that goes with it.


The kit is available from MotoWheels and will be ready to ship in 2 weeks.  They are a board sponsor and have a link on the forum.

Is the cooler still on schedule to go on sale?

I can't believe I haven't seen this post yet.  That's my bike!  The oil cooler is awesome.  My little 620 works hard out here in the Arizona heat.  Keeping up with the pack, I've previously seen temps in the 300's.  A little too hot even for the fully synth oil I've been in the habit of using.  Now, the bike gets up to temp 220-240 but never reaches the 300 mark.  I took it on a pretty aggressive run for a few hours up and down South Mountain here in Phoenix the other day, trying to see what temps I would see.  Lots of 2nd gear uphill corners at 6000 rpm.  The temp never spiked.

The kit is easy to install.  The diverter valve fits up in above the oil filter and the bracket fits perfectly on the valve cover with a few spacers and some longer allen bolts.  I like the way it looks with an oil line on each side.

<...and yes, that's a 749 shock, a 999 height adjuster +1", a 1098 front fender, a custom kick-stand lengthener, a tool bag under the headlight, and bicycle mirrors  ;)>

Changed out a bad valve guide seal yesterday (PITA-an entire thread could be written about it) and while I was at it, decided to change theh oil.  Put in some nice thick semi-synth 20W-50.  Went back to South Mountain to really tear it up and see what temps the engine would generate.  It's in the upper 90's here in Phoenix.  The bike was running great.  Twisties and uphill pulls in second gear, sometimes at the 9K rpm mark. (I admit that there were some times whre I could have put it in third gear but...)  Whew what a blast trying to scrub off enough speed before the next tight corner.  [moto] Previous to the oil cooler install, today's run would have had my 620 in the high 280's maybe even 290.  The absolute highest temp I saw today was 254, and that happened while I got stuck behind some slower traffic after a very "spirited" set of twisties.  As soon as I got moving again, the temp quickly fell back to the 240's and when I got to the base of the mountain and out onto the main roads, it settled at around 236.  My FHE for what it's worth.

Okay they are done and the first of the stock is off to MOTOWHEELS!!! They will have them on Monday.. Yeah thanks Ryan! (with the 620 not myself...that would be pretentious don't you think?)... The lines run on one side of the bike aka 696 style vs S2R style. None the less here is the pic of the kit....

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2689/kitpiccopy.jpg)

With my bike getting to 270 recently, I've given more serious thought to the whole oil cooler idea.

Does anyone know a cheaper place to get the oil cooler kit? The cheapest I've found is $550 through a local dealer in San Diego. On motowheels, they sell an oil cooler, but it doesn't look like the full kit.

Our kit is $396.00 with everything included with detailed instructions. Motowheels is carrying the product now and has them in stock.

 I'll give them a call today. Instructions are awesome too because the local dealer was estimating about an hour to do the job and at $90 an hour, that saves some money.

Thanks Dude

it is not hard to install at all. In fact its a bit easier than the 696 cooler. You do need a torque wrench and a 21mm socket and I would go out and get some Permatex High temp thread sealer or Loctite 243 or 542. Oneof those are required for proper installation of the bypass spring.  Might as well change your oil while your at it.  If you would like PM me your email address and I can send you the PDF instructions.

The cooler should get here tomorrow. Is there going to be an issue with oil? It was just replaced a few days ago (go figure), also, is there any peticular maintanance or cleaning for it?

PM sent

Hello all,
I'm interested in this cooler idea, and was wondering if anyone has the PDF of the install? You see I live in So. Cal. and my 695 reads 250-290 degrees all the time. I'm worried about the oil, engine life and reliability. I can't afford to pay for the  dealers labor cost at this time and would like to look over the installation instructions too see if I could do it myself. If you have the PDF instructions please PM them to me. Thanks in advance. -turducn

I've got them somewhere, but I'm at work. Later on tonight I should be able to fwd them to you. It's pretty easy, taking 30 -60 minutes to do.

I don't know who you plan on getting it through, it was cheaper to get from motowheels for me vice the dealer ordering it. If you do order it through motowheels, they send you a CD with the instructions.

I had just installed the oil cooler on my 620.  It was taken off a SS750.  I can post some instruction and pics.  It's really easy. 

Thanks for the quick replies. I'm would grateful if you could send me a PDF, or post with pictures the process.-turducn

instructions sent.

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Thank you so much, looks easy. I hope I can help one of you someday. Great forum members.  [bow_down]-turducn

LOL! Thanks!!

We just had a customer send some pics of our oil cooler installed.

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What a nice looking bike... kinda looks like mine:)
thanks Ryan for great customer service and such a good looking oil cooler [beer]

If the cooler works as well as it looks, I'm sold!

Btw, the Motowheels site still seems to show the old set (old bracket and lines not coated):
H Competition Oil Cooler Kit: M695/620, @ $425,00 
(http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054)|Monster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=7157&showDetail=1&categoryID=1077|Monster%20%20Engine%20Cooling&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=1202|Ducati)
- Is that correct?

- Do more people have experience with the oil cooler now?

- It would be great if someone could help me out with the installation instructions pdf, so I can judge if I can install the cooler myself.

Thanks in advance,
Peter

That would be great! Thanks in advance.
tangopeter@hotmail.com

This is actually quite easy.  I think anybody can do it.  It's more or less of just finding the right parts and putting them together.  While you are at it, you might as well change the oil, too.  

You need 1) the oil cooler kit.  I like the 2000+ style cooler better than the older style.  They are all interchangable, I believe.  I found a set in excellent condition on ebay for $200.  
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/toc30/Ducati%20Monster%20Oil%20Cooler/DSC_0180.jpg?t=1274852931)

2) a set of nipples to connect the hoses to the engine.  Also need the bypass spring so the oil would be redirected to the cooler.  
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/toc30/Ducati%20Monster%20Oil%20Cooler/DSC_0179.jpg?t=1274852958)

3) the last piece took me the longest to find - the intake valve over on the horizontal cylinder.  I paid $40 for a bucket of left over parts off a crashed SS.  The cover was in it.
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Once you got all the parts, you are now ready to bolt them on.  Some might do them in different order, but this was what made sense to me.  

Take off the intake valve cover and put on the new one.
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Drain oil first, as if you are changing the oil.  Take off the 2 bolts that caps the outlets.  Be sure to save the washers.  You will need need them when bolting on the nipples.
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Connect the oil cooler and the hoses.  You can already see your 620 transformed!  
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/toc30/Ducati%20Monster%20Oil%20Cooler/DSC_0191.jpg?t=1274854179)

Remove the oil filter and remove the stem that connects the filter to the engine.  This will take some elbow grease.  I used my foot to anchor the wrench and really cranked it.
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/toc30/Ducati%20Monster%20Oil%20Cooler/DSC_0193.jpg?t=1274854398)

Install the bypass spring so the rubber part blocks the hole.  The picture is looking up from underneath.  Reinstall the filter stem.  Make sure you use a torque wrench.  I forgot how much to torque it...  Check with your dealer on that.
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/toc30/Ducati%20Monster%20Oil%20Cooler/DSC_0197.jpg?t=1274854526)

Put the oil drain plug and filter back in.  Add oil.  let her run for a bit.  Stand back and admire.  *I miss my yellow 620!*
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/toc30/Ducati%20Monster%20Oil%20Cooler/DSC_0200.jpg?t=1274854685)

Wow, Tony, that IS great. That really helps me taking decisions.

Thank you!

Peter

I saw a cooler that had both hose connections one one side of the cooler instead of opposite ends on top.  In/out hoses only 3 in from each other.  It is a much cleaner look since they're not looped over.

Does someone know where to get it?

I think that's the hoses from the Hypermotard.  I agree, much cleaner look  [thumbsup]

Not the hoses - the spigots on the cooler.  All of the factory coolers have the spigots on top.

Having them on the side allows other mounting options although it would drain when you turned the bike off

Does anyone have access to the installation instructions or PDF of the Motowheels set?
Any help appreciated.

Please contact Matt@motowheels.com. He can check the box and send you any instructions that are in it.
It is a fairly easy install with all the parts you need.

-M

Hey Ryan,

I don't recall if you explained this, but what was the relevance to making an oil cooler for the air cooled Monsters?

Just curious.

Valid question about cooler with air cooled bikes. before I had it I would get up to 280 in the summer, with it about 240-250. Granted it still gets just about as hot if not moving, but cools alot quicker once I do.

I've got the PDF instructions if anyone needs them.

Yes, please!

(tangopeter@hotmail.com)

I'll send it later tonight when I'm off work. It would be unethical of me to be on here all day when the tax payers are paying-all day being 24 hours.

Sent. [beer]

Thanks!  [wine]

Dave,

Sorry just saw the thread revival!

The relevance of adding an oil cooler to air cooled monster is for the fact of oil breakdown due to exposure of high temperature. Granted synthetic motor oil can take much more extreme temps than conventional motor oil, it still degrades faster in high temperatures.  Oil coolers significantly increase the effective life of your motor oil in high temperatures.  Oh yeah, they also increase Horsepower! (due to the fact of the engine running 30 degrees cooler....)