http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30199427/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30199427/)
Just sad.
ugh.....
simple, she figured the semi would take all the blame.
Quote from: Mother on April 21, 2009, 07:06:51 AM
simple, she figured the semi would take all the blame.
I'm glad someone tagged her as a witness and she was arrested.
It's sad and horrible. Someone did a hit-and-run on a cyclist in our area this weekend. >:(
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12184309 (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12184309)
What a self-centered, cowardly, irresponsible thing to do.
Simple:
People don't stop all the time in hit and run accidents. Be it a motorcycle, car, pedestrian, etc.
Will they release the toxicology of the rider?
I'd be interested to see what his BAC level was.
Whoa whoa whoa.
SHE STOPPED. When the rider's wife screamed out "YOU KILLED HIM!", she sped off. The wife had to watch her husband get hit by the car, and then run over by an 18 wheeler. Another time I'm mad enough to write a letter requesting prison time. (I was also pissed about the Dallas PD officer who held the NFL player at gun point in the hospital parking lot while his mother-in-law expired inside the hospital, depriving him the last moments with her, and the ability to be there for his wife).
Quote from: ato memphis on April 21, 2009, 08:20:38 AM
Whoa whoa whoa.
SHE STOPPED. When the rider's wife screamed out "YOU KILLED HIM!", she sped off. The wife had to watch her husband get hit by the car, and then run over by an 18 wheeler. Another time I'm mad enough to write a letter requesting prison time. (I was also pissed about the Dallas PD officer who held the NFL player at gun point in the hospital parking lot while his mother-in-law expired inside the hospital, depriving him the last moments with her, and the ability to be there for his wife).
what? where did that come from? I don't recall reading that in either story linked to.
Quote from: KnightofNi on April 21, 2009, 08:36:24 AM
what? where did that come from? I don't recall reading that in either story linked to.
+1
I don't either
It was on the local news. I've been to Kellers on Friday nights and seen the guys there as well. Its less than 5 minutes from my apt.
It sucks that she did it but I can see why she did it. She was scared. She didn't think there was anything that she could do and she was scared so she ran away.
When I was a kid I did something similar. An old man fell off the bus right in front of me and cracked his head open on the floor. There was blood everywhere. The bus driver and a passenger got off to help him but I got scared and just stood there for a minute or so and then turned around and ran ran away. It still scares me that I could have stepped up and helped him to keep him from falling but I did nothing and just watched. That was a life changer for me.
Quote from: ato memphis on April 21, 2009, 08:45:15 AM
It was on the local news. I've been to Kellers on Friday nights and seen the guys there as well. Its less than 5 minutes from my apt.
Is there a lot of drinking going on?
At all the gatherings like that around here, they cruiser crowd is POUNDING beer after beer.
I am just curious to see if he was intoxicated, seeing it was 1130p at night and he was leaving a "burger and beer" meeting.
I am not making excuses for what happened, just want to see if he could have done more to avoid getting hit but was impaired to do so.
They sell beer, but most of the guys I saw walking around didn't have beers in their hands, but they do ride without helmets. [roll]
Quote from: ato memphis on April 21, 2009, 09:23:33 AM
They sell beer, but most of the guys I saw walking around didn't have beers in their hands, but they do ride without helmets. [roll]
The cruiser crowd up here don't wear helmets either.
They just drink a lot and go from bar to bar to bar.
It is pretty scary to see some of these morons leave
Regardless of whether he was drinking or not, didn't the article state that she over corrected while swerving to miss something in the road? Could he have really done much of anything, sober or not?
That being said, if he was drinking and driving he shouldn't have been. BUT, she swerved into his lane, so his impaired judgment didn't affect that particular accident.
She stopped, but she still took off. She definitely deserves jail time ato, I'd be right with you on that letter. As a side note, the cop with the NFL player was a ridiculous story. I felt really bad for the guy.
Same thing happens at Deal's Gap... If you see a bagger with water (melting ice) dribbling from either or both saddle bags it's a safe bet there at least a couple in and stop every few piull-offs for more...
JM
Quote from: ato memphis on April 21, 2009, 08:45:15 AM
It was on the local news. I've been to Kellers on Friday nights and seen the guys there as well. Its less than 5 minutes from my apt.
ok, thanks. is there a link to that story?
Quote from: the_Journeyman on April 21, 2009, 10:58:34 AM
Same thing happens at Deal's Gap... If you see a bagger with water (melting ice) dribbling from either or both saddle bags it's a safe bet there at least a couple in and stop every few piull-offs for more...
JM
that's why i keep mine in the tank bag. i dont' have to stop or even get off the bike.
j/k, well, about the drinkign and riding part.
people scare me. i'm amazed that so many people do these sorts of things and don't have scars to show for it.
safety and practicality while riding:
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I'll try to dig up a link. My wife alerted me to the story originally.
It ties my stomach in knots to even imagine someone dying that way and knowing I was responsible. The kind of person who could watch that and then drive away deserves to be thrown under a semi.
RIP biker guy
Quote from: mrs minnesotamonster on April 21, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
Regardless of whether he was drinking or not, didn't the article state that she over corrected while swerving to miss something in the road? Could he have really done much of anything, sober or not?
That being said, if he was drinking and driving he shouldn't have been. BUT, she swerved into his lane, so his impaired judgment didn't affect that particular accident.
She stopped, but she still took off. She definitely deserves jail time ato, I'd be right with you on that letter. As a side note, the cop with the NFL player was a ridiculous story. I felt really bad for the guy.
Not defending her running away, but if she swerved into his lane, and he had been completely sober, even if she contacted his bike, he may have reacted better and been able to save it. Who knows though.
Quote from: corey on April 21, 2009, 01:47:49 PM
Not defending her running away, but if she swerved into his lane, and he had been completely sober, even if she contacted his bike, he may have reacted better and been able to save it. Who knows though.
That was what I was getting at early, just couldn't get the words out right.
My Mom (Bonfy here on the board) was in a hit and run on her Duc. It is one of the few times I've encourage litigation and a law suit. This wasn't becuase the lady hit her, it was because the lady left the scene w/o even stopping to see that she was ok. The sad thing is my Mom knew the lady and she's a lush. In all likely hood she was drunk when she hit my Mom. Shame on that girl for her cowardice, episodes like that are very telling to a persons character.
Second point, was the guy drinking, could he have avoided it? I used to be a heavy drinker(I'm approaching 5yrs sober now). I've been in many :P wrecks on my bike, not all of them involved liquor.... some did. I can tell you that one of my more spectacular wrecks happened on the interstate the morning after a hard nights drinking. I wasn't "at fault" but I can tell you if I had been completely clean I probably woulda seen it coming in time to give myself the extra 4 inches I needed to clear that bumper.
On a side note.... since I quit drinking I haven't had a wreck period(knock on wood).
i don't drink and ride, i crash enough as it is and don't need any of alcohol's help doing such.
Quote from: Scottish on April 21, 2009, 01:55:49 PMSecond point, was the guy drinking, could he have avoided it? I used to be a heavy drinker(I'm approaching 5yrs sober now). I've been in many :P wrecks on my bike, not all of them involved liquor.... some did. I can tell you that one of my more spectacular wrecks happened on the interstate the morning after a hard nights drinking. I wasn't "at fault" but I can tell you if I had been completely clean I probably woulda seen it coming in time to give myself the extra 4 inches I needed to clear that bumper.
On a side note.... since I quit drinking I haven't had a wreck period(knock on wood).
Glad to hear it, thanks for sharing. :)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-ratpack_15met.ART.State.Edition2.4aca9d0.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-ratpack_15met.ART.State.Edition2.4aca9d0.html)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/041109dnmethitandrun.38fff5b.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/041109dnmethitandrun.38fff5b.html)
It'll be a slap on the wrist for the 18 girl
Quote from: ato memphis on April 21, 2009, 08:20:38 AM
(I was also pissed about the Dallas PD officer who held the NFL player at gun point in the hospital parking lot while his mother-in-law expired inside the hospital, depriving him the last moments with her, and the ability to be there for his wife).
Yes that was handled poorly but......if Mr. NFL would have stopped when initially lit up it probably would have been a 15 second conversation.
and risk not getting his wife to the hospital in time to wish her mother a final goodbye?
the story reeked the same way the story of the officer who kept messing with McNair in Nashville did.
I saw a person back into a car this weekend and then bolt out of the area.
There were tons of people around but I dont think anyone got the license plate. I was on foot or I would have followed the guy and got the plate number.
I am amazed at how often things like this happen. My Jeep Liberty has been hit at least twice hit and run.
My cousin who has been a model student and person all her life hit a parked car and ran. Her mother found out and made her go back and put a note on the car. I never thought she would do something like that :-\
its funny how we will vilify someone when we "don't agree with them" but if someone "we like" breaks the law we will make up ANY JUSTIFICATION to justify illegal acts.
ie, this case the girl hit and run, we vilify her for breaking the law and want the max sentence, which i agree with.
but then we bash a cop FOR DOING HIS JOB!! and justify SOMEONE BREAKING THE LAW. Ok his wifes mother was dying, the guy speeds to get her to the hospital and gets pulled over, and then "uses the excuse of my mother in law is dying".. so what if he is an NFL person? if you believe that then dont' pregnant dog about celebs getting pref treatment next time at trial you lost that argument.
I understant someon was dying but it does not give you the "right" to put others at risk, if you want to break the law do so at your own risk if it works out well then you are great, but then then when you get caught you can't say "well i deserve to be different" no you took the risk you got caught, if you didnt' you would have got there on time maybe, if get caught you rolled the dice and lost.
honestly i have to side with the LEO on teh nfl thing, he was actually doing his job and then has some guy he pulled over say "i have to get to such and such give me special treatment" you dont' do that. that is just begging to be delayed even more.
My cousin who has been a model student and person all her life hit a parked car and ran. Her mother found out and made her go back and put a note on the car. I never thought she would do something like that :-\
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dont' worry nobody ever thinks "their kid" is the bad kid, guess what they are.
The police officer didn't do his job, and was fired for it. The player came to a stop at the light, had his hazards on, was near the hospital, and honked his horn before proceeding. All other drivers at the intersection came to a stop and realized what was going on, and have said such. The police officer held him at gunpoint in the hospital parking lot, despite nurses and doctors explaining the direness of the situation.
Similarly, following McNair around for hours to see one of his wheels touch a line and pull him over for driving intoxicated was equally absurd and the officer was disciplined. You and I 'touch' those lines on a regular basis without meaning to, and the NFL player was harassed for it. There are a couple bad seeds out there that like to "make a name for themselves" by "busting" a sports star.
No cops talk please.
This thread is not about that.
didn't mean for it to get there, just occurrences that fire me up enough to write a letter. i know they don't have much effect, but I always hope that somebody will at least read them.
Quote from: ato memphis on April 22, 2009, 07:17:52 AM
The police officer didn't do his job, and was fired for it. The player came to a stop at the light, had his hazards on, was near the hospital, and honked his horn before proceeding. All other drivers at the intersection came to a stop and realized what was going on, and have said such. The police officer held him at gunpoint in the hospital parking lot, despite nurses and doctors explaining the direness of the situation.
No cops talk ...but that's not what happened.
QuoteRyan Moats explained that he waited until there was no traffic before proceeding through the red light.
Quotea nurse said the mother-in-law was dying right then and Moats needed to get into the hospital.
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/Officer_Delayed_NFL_Player_at (http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/Officer_Delayed_NFL_Player_at)
Other news coverage discussed Moats' driving in more detail, while others focus on the hospital parking lot exchange. Both this story and the issue at hand - hit and run - make me angry for the lack of compassion a person can show when presented with tragedy.
My issue isn't a cops related issue with the NFL story, its a single person who failed to show discretion, compassion, or caring to another human being who was in a life-changing situation. Its the same issue I take with the hit and run. The person caused an accident. That's bad. Saw the consequences of their actions, and proceeded to flee the scene rather than render aid, or call 911. That's much worse because it exacerbates the original problem.
Quote from: ato memphis on April 22, 2009, 03:29:18 PM
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/Officer_Delayed_NFL_Player_at (http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/Officer_Delayed_NFL_Player_at)
Other news coverage discussed Moats' driving in more detail, while others focus on the hospital parking lot exchange. Both this story and the issue at hand - hit and run - make me angry for the lack of compassion a person can show when presented with tragedy.
My issue isn't a cops related issue with the NFL story, its a single person who failed to show discretion, compassion, or caring to another human being who was in a life-changing situation. Its the same issue I take with the hit and run. The person caused an accident. That's bad. Saw the consequences of their actions, and proceeded to flee the scene rather than render aid, or call 911. That's much worse because it exacerbates the original problem.
Like I said no cops talk. I'm not going to debate the finer points of procedure with you but for starters the cop did not get fired. That's a pretty glaring difference. If you want to continue you can hit me via PM but I start 4 12's tomorrow so I probably won't get time to respond until Monday. My original statement stands though. If Mr. NFL would have stopped the car for 15 seconds like he was SUPPOSED to he wouldn't have to find someone to blame his actions on.
unpayed forced leave and reassigned. blah blah blah. that single individual, regardless of his employer or job title was a jerk. that sole individual, not DPD or generally police officers. the similarities i'm pointing out are two insensitive individuals crossing paths with people that need their help.
Back to the issue at hand....
I'm not going to defend the 18 yr old girl. After all, she did hit someone and run.
But after reading the news article I have to pin the blame for the 'run' in hit and run on Ms. Shanda Renee Wooten herself (the woman riding in front of our dead biker friend). The first thing she does after the accident is to start screaming at the driver that she killed him! If I was an 18 yr old girl who just caused a serious accident on a dark highway alone at night and a group of scruffy Harley riders made like they were about to lynch me..and then I watched a semi make hamburger of the poor guy .... I'd run too! Probably also be pretty freaked out.
Having said that.....10 minutes later I would have been reporting myself to the cops........but people react to trauma in irrational ways sometimes.
Quote from: sbrguy on April 22, 2009, 07:00:49 AM
My cousin who has been a model student and person all her life hit a parked car and ran. Her mother found out and made her go back and put a note on the car. I never thought she would do something like that :-\
dont' worry nobody ever thinks "their kid" is the bad kid, guess what they are.
My kid is not a great kid. I'm his mom. He is very apathetic about school and life. He is failing every subject in school and will not graduate next year. I do not know how to deal with him and his lack of caring. I'm the first to admit when he does something stupid. He's done some stuuuupid things.