Props to Ducati Austin for letting me ride their latest bike!!
The first thing I noticed right off the bat is that this bike feels light. Just turning it around and backing up it was far easier than on my S2R. Forgot what the exact weight is on this bike but there is an instantly noticeable difference. U-turns are smaller and much easier!
So fired it up and off I went. The clutch action was the next big difference. It was hard to tell when it actually engages and took a bit getting used to, especially at moving off (never stalled it though!)
This model had the termi kit already on, so it was good to go. The power was very smooth all the way up with no hiccups, and the shift action was even smoother. The clutch pull was very easy, much more so than any other monster I've been on. The ergos seem to place you further over the tank and you don't see much of the bike when you are on it. I didn't take to the new tank much; my knees didn't settle into it as naturally as the contours of the old tank.
The new guages take some getting used to if you're used to the old analog style. Like the 1098 there's a rocker switch to cycle through the different info available. This allows the rider access to a bit more data than before, such as the battery voltage.
What's the verdict? Well, this is a very different bike from the previous gen of monsters, and not just stylistically. The contrast between it and my S2R (and my old 620 for that matter) was night and day. This new monster is a thoroughly modern and contemporary bike with the latest technology, wheras the S2R is more of a beast of 90's tech whose engine definitely has its favorite spots on the tach. Personally I won't be moving to the new monster anytime soon and I like my bike fine, but it was fun to try out Ducati's latest. The impression I came away with is that this new bike is thoroughly modern and almost a bit detatched, with a very different character than before. All in all though I think the new monster is an excellent city bike and a fine entry model for the line-up!
nice write up.. I'll be seeing it later on today... I'll post up my impressions as well...
Apparently the bikes just showed up this week so I'm sure quite a few dealerships are having demos today. I just felt the need to post a write-up before anyone else - damn this board sometimes! ;D
Interesting, GP did pretty much the same thing. Put the termis on as they were pulling it out of the crate. My guess is the bike must sound anemic with the stock pipes
Quote from: dbran1949 on May 17, 2008, 11:43:47 AM
Interesting, GP did pretty much the same thing. Put the termis on as they were pulling it out of the crate. My guess is the bike must sound anemic with the stock pipes
I think termis simply help maximize the experience and are a good idea for a demo. haven't heard any duc really that sounds particularly great with stock pipes, 'cept maybe 1098.
Thanks for the write-up! I'm still not used to the style, but all things must change I suppose.
I just got back from my demo ride too, what a fun little bike! The bike i rode was identical to the one above, black w/ termis (baffles in).
i will agree that the clutch was a bit funky (or just different) very light pull (+) but the contact point was very far out (-). seat to bar reach is much shorter than the OG monster, a bit too short for me at 6'1''. the foot pegs were in a very nice position, they felt a bit lower than my s2r1k. i don't know if ground clearance will be an issue, but it was comfy.
the engine ran flawlessly through the range, it was very smooth at low throttle through town and was eager to spin up the tach whenever asked. the motor was more than enough for cruising around town, adequate the twisties, but lacked a little omph on the freeway. it required a down shift (5-4) to get moving from a cruise at 75
brakes were good, of course, and the suspension felt nice. the bike was very quick to turn in and held it's line nicely compared to my bike. maybe that's from the forward riding position.
after riding thee 696 i immediately climbed onto a hyper'tard. wowsers, that bike was fun! it was my first taste of the 1100ds and i am jealous of it's fueling compared to my 1k, otherwise it felt very similar to the 1000. if they make an 1100s monster it would be an absolute hoot...
to sum it up, i really wanted to hate the 696 because it is different but i think ducati has built a winner. my dealer has already sold 13 so clearly they did something right.
I stopped by Spectrum Ducati today to check it out as well. Not as fugly as I thought it would be. It does seem that the bars are a bit further foward than my S2R, but the ergos seemed nice. I do prefer the analog gauges, but not a major flaw. If they come out with the same bike with a SSS and 1100 motor I'd be interested.
Hey Aaron, I assume you rode the 696 at Corse in Saukville? I had a chance to demo it too. Absolutely stunning! I had a ton of fun ... I went up there on my 620 to get the 6K service done. On the way out I saw the 696. Now I'm SERIOUSLY considering putting a deposit down on one. I too wanted to hate this bike ... but I can't.
Valor
Me too.
It was white w/ the fly screen and seat cowl, and standard exhaust. Overall, I loved it. I though I was going to hate the headlight, but once I was riding, I forgot all about it. ;) The digital multifunction gauge, I didn't like so much. I guess it takes some getting used to. It's a fun bike. It has plenty of power (for me), and fits me very well.
I'm putting my deposit down on Monday. Anyone know what the price of the bike is w/ the Termi's?
that bike is a awful as i thought it would be. my dealer wouldn't let me demo it because i asked him if it came with a lifetime supply of barf bags when you buy one. he didn't like that much. if someone were to like the look and seating position of this machine , they are more likley to ride a race machine. the ergos are all wrong. its not cumfy like my s2r. not even close. and the mirrors are useless. they are so low and you see nothing except your torso. no matter how high you adjust them. ick......... >:(
the "the monster is ruined" ron
There's a white demo 696 here in Bend, OR, they just put the Termi's on and they're looking for just over $10K for it... might go demo it next week for fun...
Isn't it interesting how people keep saying that they 'want to hate it'? I'm personally 'kinda' feeling that way but curious on how it rides and such. Don't get me wrong, not going to get one, ever, I'm VERY VERY happy w/ my S2R, just curious on how it rides...
Quote from: the ron on May 17, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
that bike is a awful as i thought it would be. my dealer wouldn't let me demo it because i asked him if it came with a lifetime supply of barf bags when you buy one. he didn't like that much. if someone were to like the look and seating position of this machine , they are more likley to ride a race machine. the ergos are all wrong. its not cumfy like my s2r. not even close. and the mirrors are useless. they are so low and you see nothing except your torso. no matter how high you adjust them. ick......... >:(
the "the monster is ruined" ron
Take a deep breath Ronnie, you were only dreaming when you thought you would ever HAVE to get one.
Quote from: the ron on May 17, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
that bike is a awful as i thought it would be. my dealer wouldn't let me demo it because i asked him if it came with a lifetime supply of barf bags when you buy one. he didn't like that much. if someone were to like the look and seating position of this machine , they are more likley to ride a race machine. the ergos are all wrong. its not cumfy like my s2r. not even close. and the mirrors are useless. they are so low and you see nothing except your torso. no matter how high you adjust them. ick......... >:(
the "the monster is ruined" ron
Ride your ride, let others ride theirs.
That doable?
Quote from: the ron on May 17, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
my dealer wouldn't let me demo it because i asked him if it came with a lifetime supply of barf bags when you buy one. he didn't like that much.
the "the monster is ruined" ron
LMAO!!!
The Ron, you slay me sometimes!!
To quote Steve Martin, "How can ya be so frickin funny"? [laugh]
Duc Sea had the black o black with termis and bar ends. Looked nice. Can't get over the headlight or the cheap azz plastic tank but looked and sounded good!
I drove up to Motocorsa in Portland today for two reasons. First was to drop off my S2R1k and my buddy's Tuono, both of which I crashed last week (took him out while crashing, and yes we were off set). Second was to taste the 696 as I had been on their deposit/preorder list before getting my S2R. They had a black one sitting inside but it had a Do Not Sit On sign. Was somewhat bothered by that and even mentioned I wanted to sit on it as it may replace my broken S2R. No dice.
What is that all about? Oh well, going back up in a couple weeks and maybe then. They are taking good care of us though on the crashed stuff so I am in no way trying to bad mouth them. And I understand not wanting every dork off the street to handle it.
I thought it looked better in person than in the pics. But it lacks that certain organic flow that the other bikes have. They could have done all the same changes but refined them just a little and the end result would have been better. The air intakes in the tank I think are a great idea and I had been asking for that or a while. But the tank itself is fat and not cohesive. The DSS is fine but I would have preferred the design from the old SS, the 2005-2006 999, or the Aprilia Mille. But most disappointing are the dyno numbers that show this bike no more powerful than a 620.
Ducati are on the ball regarding product launch, perfectly syncronized worldwide, they had one on display in Ducati Tokyo Ohta in Japan.
Looks totally modern, they have really beefed up the chassis. The lower fork clamp is huge as is the tubes on the frame. When they release the 1100S version (if?) I will be joining the queue.
The dealer here was also pushing the Ducati Performance accesories pretty strongly, seems they already have the full lineup available. Maybe the profit margins aren't what they used to be.
I worry about the air cooled 1100S version though. I wonder if they will make one. All the competitors have more HP they may just go straight to an 848 based engine and skip the larger aircooled engine. What do you think?
I went to see it out my local shop (Renaissance Motorcycles, Tucson, AZ) today and it was placed right next to a 1098R. After first chewing out the employee who runs their website and rider's club about not letting us know they had the "R" on display, I saw the 696. Though they were offering demo rides (on the 696, not 1098R), I wasn't dressed for it so I passed.
The first mod I saw for that bike is removing the charcoal canister because they hung it just like on the S2R but then designed a plastic trim piece to sort of hide it. The problem in removing this piece is on the other side of the bike there is a part (rectifier?) mounted onto it. Removal of that plastic piece requires relocating that rectifier. [bang]
The 696 is definately growing on me, though I don't think I'll ever favor it over my S2R, the 696 is no 999/749. [moto]
Quote from: the ron on May 17, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
that bike is a awful as i thought it would be. my dealer wouldn't let me demo it because i asked him if it came with a lifetime supply of barf bags when you buy one. he didn't like that much. if someone were to like the look and seating position of this machine , they are more likley to ride a race machine. the ergos are all wrong. its not cumfy like my s2r. not even close. and the mirrors are useless. they are so low and you see nothing except your torso. no matter how high you adjust them. ick......... >:(
the "the monster is ruined" ron
I love that it bothers Ron so bad lol [thumbsup]
(http://ducatiseattle.smugmug.com/photos/295040817_ozg2K-S.jpg)
I have to say that I didn't think I would like the new monster...but after seeing it in person I am becoming a fan, especially from the front. It has a very agressive look to it, and I hate to say this but it made the other Monsters sitting nearby look a little out dated. *yes I put my nomex on before I typed that*
Quote from: the ron on May 17, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
that bike is a awful as i thought it would be. my dealer wouldn't let me demo it because i asked him if it came with a lifetime supply of barf bags when you buy one. he didn't like that much. if someone were to like the look and seating position of this machine , they are more likley to ride a race machine. the ergos are all wrong. its not cumfy like my s2r. not even close. and the mirrors are useless. they are so low and you see nothing except your torso. no matter how high you adjust them. ick......... >:(
the "the monster is ruined" ron
Luckly you don't make much sense, I just tood delivery of mine and I'm 6'2" 220 the ergos are just rite, mirrors give me a perfect view, But the style is a matter of your taste. Which I like the new modern look.
Dan
Oh yeah and the fast idle lever is back
+1 for fast idle ;D
It sounds like the difference in the clutch is that the 696 has the apc slipper clutch. Someone with a late model 620 or 800 monster should find it the same. The first 620 that came into the shop with one of these I thought was broken [laugh]
The friction zone is very different from the non slipper versions and not comparable to the dry clutches. You use to be able to buy a upgrade kit for $500 that had the clutch,primary drive and a new clutch master cylinder. great deal, that must be why they did away with the kit. [bang]
Quote from: factorPlayer on May 18, 2008, 05:10:38 PM
Oh yeah and the fast idle lever is back
+1 for fast idle ;D
I'm curious how tall you are...
I was very comfortable when I sat on it, and I'm only 5'3". I couldn't demo ride it, they only had the one and it was sold. It was definitely not as comfortable as the 695, but I am anxious to get the motor running and take her for a spin.
I love how the heckler pops in all proud of how juvenile and foolish he acted at the dealership, brilliant! Then, taking the opportunity to act even more foolish by announcing to the forum how much he hates the new beauty while breaking every grammar rule in the English language and mis-spelling nearly half of the words. What a great multi-tasker, I would be proud of myself too. [roll]
What is that great quote? Better to remain quiet and people THINK you a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
A closed mouth gathers no feet ;D
Quote from: big bear on May 18, 2008, 11:57:36 PM
A closed mouth gathers no feet ;D
that's funny. [thumbsup]
cdc