Can you give me some direction or at least point me in the correct direction. All these different models are confusing me. What's the difference?? I got the engine size part but the rest???
S2R
S4R
Monster
Dark
and then there is a section on the Ducati site for naked street bikes. I thought the monster was pretty close to a naked street bike, but you just sit up a little more???
The only Blue with white stripe i can fine is a 996? Does that sound right? Are these special? I found an 05 on Ebay for like 12K... I thought it was high.
Any help, info or pointing in the right direction is appreciated.
Judd
Everything you've listed is a monster. A monster is a naked bike.
S2r and S4r are similar body styles. They have a single sided swingarm. The s2r has an 800cc air-cooled engine and wet clutch. The s4r has either a 996 or 999 water-cooled engine and a dry clutch (and better suspension and brakes).
A monster is any ducati monster from 1993-current.
A dark is a matte-black (and in some cases matte silver) monster, generally with slightly lower spec parts than others). Darks have been available on monster models for many years.
Edit: 12k for an '05 S4R is absolutely crazy. Is this your first bike?
S2R= equals newer 2 valve motor air cooled Comes in (800cc wet clutch, or 1000cc dry clutch)
S4r(S4Rs)(996) = equals newer 4 valve motor liquid cooled
S4(916)= equals older four valve motor liquid cooled
M900/M600/M750= original layout Monsters
Dark originally denoted a strpped down model, now it is merely a paint scheme. (flat black)
The S*R models are easily spotted by their single sided swingarm(SSS) as opposed to the smaller an older models with the dual sided swing arms (DSS)
Blue with white stripe was done on some S*R bikes. As well as white with red, tangerine and black, silver and black, Chromo's, metallics, red and black, dark.... etc.... all.
Here's a post I wrote a while ago that might help a bit:
Quote from: Spidey on February 23, 2009, 07:32:59 PM
I don't remember a good comparisons anywhere on the DMF. I've got a model comparison FAQ half-written (along with about a dozen others). [roll] Here's a quick summary. It won't tell you anything about the differences in riding or handling, but may give you a starting point.
This generation: 696 and the 1100. They have a half-trellis frame and other major differences from prior monsters. There's also the streetfighter, a 1098 engine in an entirely new chasis. I wrote up a review of the 1100 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=13509.0) and compared it--in part--to a s2r 1000 if you're interested. There are a number of 696 reviews floating around and some of those may compare to prior models.
Prior generation: the S*R line, with the 695 as the 'classic' styled monster
s2r (800cc) (05?-08)-- ST based frame, single sided swingarm, wet clutch
s2r1000 (06-08) -- ST based frame, SSS, dry clutch, 1000 dual spark motor.
s4rs (07-08) -- ST based frame, SSS, 999 testastretta motor, dry clutch, ohlins, radial brakes
s4rT (07-08) -- ST based frame, SSS, 999 testatstretta moto, dry clutch, radial brakes
s4r (04-06) -- ST based frame, single sided swingarm, 996 motor, dry clutch. This was replaced by the upgraded s4rs/s4rt with the 999 motor.
At the same time as the S*r line, there was 695. ST-based frame, DSS, wet clutch, 695 cc motor. Basically, it was a 620 with a bigger motor.
Two generations ago:
Prior to the S2r 1000, there was the M1000 (03-05). St-based frame, DSS, 1000DS, dry clutch.
Prior to the S2r 800, there was the m800 (03-04?). ST based frame, 800cc, DSS, wet clutch.
Prior to the 695, there was the 620 (02-05?). ST based frame, 620cc, DSS, wet clutch.
Prior to the S4r, there was the s4. St based frame, 916 motor, DSS, dry clutch
Your 750 was likely at least one generation prior, using the 888 based frame, back when monsters came in two flavors: 750 and 900. It was probably carbed, and may have had a single front disk.
The 600, 620, 695, 696, 750, s2r, 900, and 1000 (one year, I think) came in Dark versions.
Quote from: Spidey on May 08, 2009, 11:35:36 AM
Everything you've listed is a monster. A monster is a naked bike.
S2r and S4r are similar body styles. They have a single sided swingarm. The s2r has an 800cc air-cooled engine and wet clutch. The s4r has either a 996 or 999 water-cooled engine and a dry clutch (and better suspension and brakes).
A monster is any ducati monster from 1993-current.
A dark is a matte-black (and in some cases matte silver) monster, generally with slightly lower spec parts than others). Darks have been available on monster models for many years.
Edit: 12k for an '05 S4R is absolutely crazy. Is this your first bike?
S2R also includes the S2R 1000 which is close to 1000 cc's.
Is this the blue and white you're looking for?
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=16106.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=16106.0)
Quote from: Spidey on May 08, 2009, 11:35:36 AM
...generally with slightly lower spec parts than others...
That's debatable.
General Pic References (in reverse chronology):
Monster (Current Model
Design):
(http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/Ducati_Monster_1100_2009_24_1024x768.jpg)
S4RS:
(http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/Ducati_Monster_S4R_2008_01_1024x768.jpg)
S4RS Tricolore:
(http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/Ducati_Monster_S4R_2008_06_1024x768.jpg)
695 Dark:
(http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/Ducati_Monster_695_2006_07_1024x768.jpg)
620 Dark (Dual Disk):
(http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/Ducati_Monster_620_2004_02_1024.jpg)
620 Dark (Single Disk):
(http://s2.bikewalls.com/pictures/Ducati_Monster_620_2004_03_1024.jpg)
In later and now newer models, the only really BIG difference is displacement.
Huh?
Quote from: juddmyers on May 08, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
Can you give me some direction or at least point me in the correct direction . . .
. . .
Any help, info or pointing in the right direction is appreciated.
Judd
Judd - my advice is get off the laptop and get out and see some Monsters & other Ducati's up close.
Your profile doesn't show geographically where you are, so I don't know what local DMF club is nearby. There's gotta be one.
direction - check your local DMF listing (it's at the bottom left of the screen menu).
Post up there. Go to the next beer call / meet up / track day / dealer even / whatever. Introduce yourself and you automatically will have instant friends, guaranteed.
Ducati's are meant to be heard, touched, seen, to be appreciated. If a picture of a Ducati says a thousand words, then a real Ducati up close is a rock concert.
They are out there. Find 'em and go check 'em out. You will not be disappointed. ;D
JohnnyD
Thanks for all the great replies. I am in St. Louis MO. I can't find a Ducati dealer here in St Louis. Whomever supplied the link and asked if that blue bike was it..........Yep.. that's it alright!! I am in lust with that thing.
I know I want a dry clutch... I want a SSS.
Judd
Quote from: juddmyers on May 08, 2009, 12:50:56 PM
Thanks for all the great replies. I am in St. Louis MO. I can't find a Ducati dealer here in St Louis. Whomever supplied the link and asked if that blue bike was it..........Yep.. that's it alright!! I am in lust with that thing.
I know I want a dry clutch... I want a SSS.
Judd
And you've never ridden a motorcycle before? :-\
That blue bike is a big bike and is pretty powerful. Might wanna get a beater first, something thats harder to get into trouble with.
Whatever you do, good luck.
Judd, it is my highest recommendation to start with something smaller like the 620 or 695. Much more manageable than the s4r for noobs.
Quote from: JBubble on May 08, 2009, 12:54:15 PM
And you've never ridden a motorcycle before? :-\
That blue bike is a big bike and is pretty powerful. Might wanna get a beater first, something thats harder to get into trouble with.
Whatever you do, good luck.
The blue and white S4Rs are lookers - but I'd say that's a bad plan for a 1st bike.
The power on that bike and the non slipper clutch will not suffer errors as lightly as one of the smaller displacement bikes that have the ATPC slipper clutch. Something like the 620 695 696 or S2R800 all have the (wet) ATPC clutch - having that slipper mechanism can be quite helpful when you're learning the ins and outs of what a bike will do when you mess up a down shift. Slipper = a bit grumpy but youre good. No slipper (might) = locked rear wheel/Blown line/rear wheel skip.
Also, those smaller engined bikes, have less power. Being down on power helps forgive throttle transgressions. Smash open the throttle in 1st on a 620 and she'll go - maybe even lift the fornt a touch. Do the same on an S4R and you'll be on the pavement wonder where your bike went an why the world is upside down.
It's your decision.. but I'd hate to see a 'what I learned from my crash' post from you right off the bat.
maybe i misread. i didn't see where he's never ridden before.
if you are looking for a new bike, Ducati has two naked single sided swingarm bikes with a dry clutch.
Monster 1100
Streetfighter 1098
if you are looking for used bike with those two items
Monster S2R 1000
Monster S4R
IF this is your first bike, the Monster S2R 1000 or Monster 1100 are your best choices if you are firm on those two features.
otherwise IF this is your first bike, sticking with the 800 or less Monsters are your best options. but you will lose the dry clutch and only the S2R 800 has the SSS.
as listed on Ducati.com for the St. Louis MO area.
Donelson Cycles 9851 St. Charles Rock Road Tel.: +1 314 427-1204
St. Ann, Missouri, United States 63074
Quote from: Raux on May 08, 2009, 01:20:17 PM
maybe i misread. i didn't see where he's never ridden before.
It wasn't stated in this threat - it was over here:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=23258.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=23258.0)
Thanks for the info.. I am not against a 696 at all. I did say that I don't have real experience with one. I have two wheel experience but it's racing mtn bikes for the past 5 years. I hope some of those skills at least carry over. I am 32 years old and am pretty level headed. I don't want something that I am going to be disappointed in early on and kick myself for buying. I will be taking the MSF course for 100% sure. This bike will be used. I am actually looking for two bikes in the next year. One for me and one for my wife. She has had a bike before, an HD sportster. Looking for a 600 series for her.
I understand the power and I am ok getting a smaller bike if I just must. But i feel if your going to own a Ducati, you should get the joy of the dry clutch and sss to go with it.
I hate that I can't get a 696 like that. That SR800 might be a great choice, if i could find a good used one.. hmmmmm
You guys are doing great... keep it up!! Thanks!!
Judd
geez. you guys do background research on thread posts?
Quote from: juddmyers on May 08, 2009, 01:27:01 PM
Thanks for the info.. I am not against a 696 at all. I did say that I don't have real experience with one. I have two wheel experience but it's racing mtn bikes for the past 5 years. I hope some of those skills at least carry over. I am 32 years old and am pretty level headed. I don't want something that I am going to be disappointed in early on and kick myself for buying. I will be taking the MSF course for 100% sure. This bike will be used. I am actually looking for two bikes in the next year. One for me and one for my wife. She has had a bike before, an HD sportster. Looking for a 600 series for her.
I understand the power and I am ok getting a smaller bike if I just must. But i feel if your going to own a Ducati, you should get the joy of the dry clutch and sss to go with it.
I hate that I can't get a 696 like that. That SR800 might be a great choice, if i could find a good used one.. hmmmmm
You guys are doing great... keep it up!! Thanks!!
Judd
well if you can control your wrist, then and a pair of S2R's one 800 for her and one 1000 for you sounds like your premier choice.
Beater bikes aren't that expensive. Maybe patience is the best way to go and learn how to handle the street first before getting a big S4R/S2R. You're still going to be able to find used ones and you don't want to bust up your sweet blue/white S4R with a newb mistake.
If you're absolutely stuck on buying a bike with a dry clutch and SSS, buy Mr.Incredibles S4R since its an absolute steal, but also get a cheap used ninja 250 or sv650 for 6 months then sell it to another newb. Your bicycle experience gives you some two wheeled experience, yes, but it doesn't give you any experience with a throttle or a clutch.
The Monsters for sale board is here: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=9.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=9.0)
Craigslist will have a ton of bikes too.
Quote from: Raux on May 08, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
geez. you guys do background research on thread posts?
It wasn't that hard since he only has 7 posts. Helps when you're looking for a local board for someone.
Quote from: Raux on May 08, 2009, 01:32:53 PM
well if you can control your wrist, then and a pair of S2R's one 800 for her and one 1000 for you sounds like your premier choice.
That is mighty sexist. Why shouldn't she have the 1000 or the S4R or the SBk.
Quote from: rose_guy on May 08, 2009, 01:35:55 PM
That is mighty sexist. Why shouldn't she have the 1000 or the S4R or the SBk.
cause he said he was looking for a smaller bike for her. " Looking for a 600 series for her."
Quote from: juddmyers on May 08, 2009, 01:27:01 PM
Thanks for the info.. I am not against a 696 at all. I did say that I don't have real experience with one. I have two wheel experience but it's racing mtn bikes for the past 5 years. I hope some of those skills at least carry over. I am 32 years old and am pretty level headed. I don't want something that I am going to be disappointed in early on and kick myself for buying. I will be taking the MSF course for 100% sure. This bike will be used. I am actually looking for two bikes in the next year. One for me and one for my wife. She has had a bike before, an HD sportster. Looking for a 600 series for her.
I understand the power and I am ok getting a smaller bike if I just must. But i feel if your going to own a Ducati, you should get the joy of the dry clutch and sss to go with it.
I hate that I can't get a 696 like that. That SR800 might be a great choice, if i could find a good used one.. hmmmmm
You guys are doing great... keep it up!! Thanks!!
Judd
The balance you've refined on your MTN bike will help and some of the feel for tipping things in as well. But a bike like a bigger duc or any bigger bike is like strapping a rocket to your ass. Besides the power factor there's a additional layer of complication regarding throttle, gear changes, braking the effects on your traction, suspension etc etc etc. Those complications can be mitigated more when on a less powerful bike.
I started off on a 620 and that went just great - I probably would have been good on an 800 too - though I might have had a couple more 'oh shit' moments. After some solid time on my 620 I got a 900. Great bike, but well down on power from the S4R.. and it was a transition.
Despite me 'experience' the bigger engine and dry clutch punished a couple of my mistakes quite quickly - needing a trip to the cleaners for my shorts. One, my fault, was a ham fisted down shift. Would have been fine with the ATPC of the 620, but the non slipper dry clutch locked my rear wheel, chirped my wheel at 60mph and lead me to cross a double yellow briefly. No bad cam of it.. but scared the crap out of me.
The other was a near crawl (walking pace) in heavy traffic. I was being 'good' and keeping the bike in 1st, holding the clutch in as taught in the MSF. I hit something slippery while on my front brake causing the front to shimmy real fast. I lost my grip on the clutch lever and *bam* me and bike are pointed at the sky. Again, scared the shit out of me - and the sky bit would not have happened on a 620 - with my size (200 pounds in gear) it would probably have stalled.
So, for me, going to a bigger bike brought some humble and perspective.
For reference a 620 has similar power numbers to an 883 sporty.. but it's a lot more bike.. well weights a lot less. A 620 will do everthing with a good bit more immediacy than any flavor of sporty.
+1
The 696 I have is plenty fast enough. it won't send the front wheel up but that's not a bad thing. i have plenty of power, have great handline and very little weight.
The 900 I had, was faster because of the torque, sent the front wheel skyward with a bad clutch drop or twisted too hard and handled not as great and weighed more.
in short, i love my smaller bike. i'm only looking at a larger bike in the future for 2-up touring duty.
People tend to focus a lot on displacement when they buy a bike. I think that's a little misguided.
I started out with a Sportster 883. It was a pretty good bike to start on. When I bought my Monster, I bought a used 900. Waaaaay faster than the sportster. I was actually looking for a 620 at the time, but a 900 is what I found in my price range. I really would suggest sticking with a 620, 695 or S2R800 as a first bike. If you want more speed, buy a smaller front or larger rear gear. If you haven't ridden before I swear to you that a 620 is fast enough that you'll find plenty of opportunity to soil yourself. If, after a while, it accelerates too slowly, you can always change the gearing (front sprockets are about $30, rear ones double that). There are easily dozens, if not hundreds, of people on this board who race 620s. So they're by no means slow.
As far as the single sided swing arm goes, well, they're cool. Not much else I can say about that.
Dry Clutch. This is a tricky thing. It is one of the things that makes a Ducati a Ducati. BUT, and there's a pretty big but, they tend to be pretty grabby. When you first start out (heck, even after you've been riding for years) it's pretty easy to kill the bike by letting the clutch out too quickly. And that's more true on a dry clutch. The wet clutches are much easier to use and easier on your wrist if you're in stop and go traffic.
Oh, and if you haven't signed up for a motorcycle safety course yet, do that before you buy anything.
And lastly, Ducatis aren't Harleys. The cool people on Ducatis are the ones wearing full safety gear. So when you look at the price of a motorcycle, add a $1000 for mandatory stuff like a helmet, jacket, gloves etc.
If you are gonna be looking for a used bike, the S2R800's are a great starter bikes (pretty forgiving when you do something stupid). They also have enough power that you won't get bored with it as you get more comfortable. They have the styling of the bigger SR's ( single sided swingarm, shotgun exhaust). They are a wet clutch, so you won't be able to open it up and unleash the Edward Scissorhand's sound. With the right exhaust, they make a lot of noise. If you shop around, you can find one pretty cheap. I love mine.
Yea a MSF course is on my list.
For the wife, I think a 800 or so is to large. I really think she needs the small 600. She is very short, like 5'2.
I wasn't comparing a HD to a Ducati or wasn't meaning too. I am a firm firm believer in gear. I don't get on my bike without a helmet. i will be buying all the gear.
A little more about me: I grew up on 4 wheelers.. I have experience with a clutch. I love riding.. 4 wheels, 2 wheels it doesn't matter. I love it. I hope that will be the same for a motorcycle. I have always been the buy that only needs a bike and a trail.... and i am good to go. Also on my motorcycle, I really am not interested in the speed... more interested in the ride. Also again.. racing my mtn bike I have learned a lot about traction.. low siding.. high siding and all that fun stuff. I AM NOT SAYING ITS THE SAME AS A MOTO
You guys are great!!! Thanks again for the help. If I could but today I would be all over that one for sale here.
Welcome to the disease! [moto]
I'm a little predjudiced because I own one but I think the S2R800 would do you just fine. The S4r is just a crazy wheelie-machine so don't even think about it. I debated over the S2R1000 and the S2R800 and finally decided that even though a dry clutch and slighty better suspension would have been nice I didn't need the extra power. The 800 can't be called a rocket ship but then again it's certainly not cruiser bike slow. It handles well and has enough torque to pull the front wheel if you try a bit. I've ridden mine for two seasons and haven't tired of it at all (especially with the Termignoni exhaust installed). Although the 800 has a wet clutch it is also the only S2R with a slipper clutch so if you do get a bit rough on a downshift it will be less likely to lock the rear wheel and send you on a scary ride. Without your mountain bike and dirtbike experience I'd probably be recommending a first time rider to a 620 or 695 instead but you like the look of the single-sided swingarm. (so do I)
If you do go for an 800 you will have to settle for used as they stopped production last year.
The 620 apparently has a slightly lower seat height so that may be a plus for the wife.
Quote from: juddmyers on May 08, 2009, 03:21:17 PM
For the wife, I think a 800 or so is to large. I really think she needs the small 600. She is very short, like 5'2.
We have a few threads about lowering bikes and/or seats. I'm sure you'll get good advice and links if you post/ask specifically [thumbsup]
Quote from: juddmyers on May 08, 2009, 03:21:17 PM
Yea a MSF course is on my list.
For the wife, I think a 800 or so is to large. I really think she needs the small 600. She is very short, like 5'2.
I'm 5'2 when I have boots on and I ride an 800. She's not gonna be able to flat foot the 600, 620, or 695 either. If she's got the experience and likes the style, get the 800 and get a shallow seat like I did. Her height will be a factor no matter what.
I would have to disagree about the slipper clutch being a factor in the decision over which bike to get. I think it would be in your best interest to know how to use a conventional clutch for at least the first few years of your riding experience. Most bikes don't have slipper clutches. I would suggest trying to master downshifting and using proper gearing for engine braking (as well as acceleration ;)). These are things they'll teach at the MSF course but you'll have to really get the technique down to become a good rider. Just my .02.
I think until you're more advanced will you truly appreciate the benefits of a slipper clutch.
So having said that, starting on one of the 6xx monster's would be best IMHO.
Good luck
Quote from: JBubble on May 08, 2009, 03:50:49 PM
I'm 5'2 when I have boots on and I ride an 800. She's not gonna be able to flat foot the 600, 620, or 695 either. If she's got the experience and likes the style, get the 800 and get a shallow seat like I did. Her height will be a factor no matter what.
I highly recommend that she start on as low and light a bike as she can, such as a used Ninja 250. It will build her confidence and skills very quickly, much faster than if she started on a bigger bike. I guarantee you will not have difficulty selling a Ninja when she is done with it.
Personally I think even a used 620 or 695 is a little bit much as a starter bike for someone with no experience whatsoever, but these are probably the best choices in the Monster range.
Chances are highly likely that the first bike for a brand new rider is going to end up on the ground at least once, if not more. Best to start with something that won't break your heart when it happens. Again, a good starter bike is easy to sell when you are ready to move on.
Quote from: somegirl on May 08, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
I highly recommend that she start on as low and light a bike as she can, such as a used Ninja 250. It will build her confidence and skills very quickly, much faster than if she started on a bigger bike. I guarantee you will not have difficulty selling a Ninja when she is done with it.
Personally I think even a used 620 or 695 is a little bit much as a starter bike for someone with no experience whatsoever, but these are probably the best choices in the Monster range.
Chances are highly likely that the first bike for a brand new rider is going to end up on the ground at least once, if not more. Best to start with something that won't break your heart when it happens. Again, a good starter bike is easy to sell when you are ready to move on.
I agree, that's why I included the whole "if she's got the experience" bit. If she doesn't, definitely go with a beater. You could both learn on it.
Quote from: juddmyers on May 08, 2009, 03:21:17 PM
Yea a MSF course is on my list.
I really enjoyed my class at the HD dealership. Nothing like tearing the clutch out of a Buell. It was really worth it.
Also again.. racing my mtn bike I have learned a lot about traction.. low siding.. high siding and all that fun stuff. I AM NOT SAYING ITS THE SAME AS A MOTO
Oh yea, don't forget that they put the front brake lever on the wrong side. Pulling in the clutch doesn't do much for stopping power.
Found this link. Lists monster models, specs etc, but only up through 2003. Might be helpful if you're trying to find one with a lower seat hight for your wife.
http://www.ducatimonster.org/faq/faq_model_comparison.html (http://www.ducatimonster.org/faq/faq_model_comparison.html)
Quote from: psycledelic on May 08, 2009, 06:13:25 PM
She has lots of experience. She grew up on two wheels. Had her license at 14 and has had many motos.
ok...headed to the local Ducati dealer today to sit on one and see if it's really what I am looking for.
Quote from: juddmyers on May 09, 2009, 08:05:11 AM
ok...headed to the local Ducati dealer today to sit on one and see if it's really what I am looking for.
..... and?
;)
Quote from: stopintime on May 09, 2009, 08:48:39 AM
..... and?
;)
And then he has to explain to his wife how: 'One ust followed me home. There was nothing I could do. Really...'
Hope the trip goes well.
Regarding your wife - based on all that experience, I'd expect her to be just fine. The one thing she might find off putting is the seat height - but on the other hand the light weight of the bike vs a sport will mitigate that factor. If she does get a monster and wants the saddle a bit lower there's lots of good info on that here. There's a number of board members who are about your wife's height - they are a good info pool when that time comes. Also - in the local clubs section of the board there's a dedicated womens section. If she wants some 1st hand thoughts from other female riders about Monsters you should point her there.
Quote from: yuu on May 09, 2009, 09:03:16 AMRegarding your wife - based on all that experience, I'd expect her to be just fine. The one thing she might find off putting is the seat height - but on the other hand the light weight of the bike vs a sport will mitigate that factor. If she does get a monster and wants the saddle a bit lower there's lots of good info on that here. There's a number of board members who are about your wife's height - they are a good info pool when that time comes. Also - in the local clubs section of the board there's a dedicated womens section. If she wants some 1st hand thoughts from other female riders about Monsters you should point her there.
Great advice. Here's our Short Rider FAQ (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1853.0).
Well just got home from the dealer. It went great for me. I think it is exactly what I am looking for. I really like how it felt sitting on it. The wife is another story. She was on her tiptoes. She really liked the weight but the height wasn't good for her. She is having second thoughts... afraid we will get her one and not be able to get it low enough and comfortable for her. I told her I would research that.
Looks like I am on the right track. I need to buy two helmets now and schedule my MSF course. I have about everything else gear wise.
cool...but which bike did you sit on?
Sorry... I sat on two S2R's. The 800 and the 1000. My wife say on a 696.
Quote from: juddmyers on May 09, 2009, 03:22:52 PM
Well just got home from the dealer. It went great for me. I think it is exactly what I am looking for. I really like how it felt sitting on it. The wife is another story. She was on her tiptoes. She really liked the weight but the height wasn't good for her. She is having second thoughts... afraid we will get her one and not be able to get it low enough and comfortable for her. I told her I would research that.
Looks like I am on the right track. I need to buy two helmets now and schedule my MSF course. I have about everything else gear wise.
If she's already able to tip-toe it, shaving the seat should get her to a comfortable height. I don't know about the 696, but with the older Monsters narrowing the seat was almost as important as lowering.
Quote from: hydra on May 08, 2009, 04:34:09 PM
I think until you're more advanced will you truly appreciate the benefits of a slipper clutch.
+1
Been getting lazy on my 696, plenty of times when I downshifted and thought, that would have been bad without a slipper.
Dont forget to save a few grand for all the mods you'll start doing. You dont think you will, I know, but trust me, YOU WILL. [laugh]
[moto]
Quote from: DDDDan on May 09, 2009, 03:38:38 PM
If she's already able to tip-toe it, shaving the seat should get her to a comfortable height. I don't know about the 696, but with the older Monsters narrowing the seat was almost as important as lowering.
Yup. My shallow seat lowers seat height by 20 mm and also feels more narrow, which made a huge difference for me.
I've sat (and ridden) on a 620 and 695. I'm a chick and I'm 5'2". I was tiptoeing all of them, even with a shallow seat and correct suspension for my weight. You can get a lowering link that can lower even more but if you start cranking it down you're gonna have to change the front forks as well.
And at what point are you gonna stop cranking it down? When she can flat foot the bike? At that point, she may start dragging hard parts if she leans the bike.
Just some stuff to keep in mind.
Just occurred to me, I picked up a wrecked 620. It's got a lowering link installed cause the girl who had it was petite. Lemme know if you go with the 620, I can send it out. [moto] [thumbsup]
Remember, If you are wanting an exhaust system and you want to get it from the dealer. Your only chance to finance it will be when you buy the bike(s). After that, it will be a serious hit to the wallet. Plus, with the way the economy is, you might be able to get a decent price and install. I am sure there are different opinions on this, but just didn't want you to miss the opportunity.
Quote from: Scottish on May 10, 2009, 12:25:55 AM
Just occurred to me, I picked up a wrecked 620. It's got a lowering link installed cause the girl who had it was petite. Lemme know if you go with the 620, I can send it out. [moto] [thumbsup]
That would be awesome if you still have it later!! I am not looking to buy hers until late this summer. When I get it bought I'll give you a holler for sure.
Judd