Quote from: JBubble on May 16, 2009, 07:38:27 PM
Just needed a battery so we stole one from my bike. No riding for us this weekend since only one bike can go at a time.
You only need the battery to start the bike hint hint...
Quote from: NAKID on May 18, 2009, 06:25:30 PM
You only need the battery to start the bike hint hint...
Funny, neither bikes ran with a dead battery. They would only run while hooked up to a car.
Hint hint.
Sounds like you have other issues, like with the stator, hint hint...
Quote from: NAKID on May 18, 2009, 06:41:11 PM
Sounds like you have other issues, like with the stator, hint hint...
Why would BOTH bikes do this? Seems like a huge coincidence.
Quote from: JBubble on May 18, 2009, 06:41:52 PM
Why would BOTH bikes do this? Seems like a huge coincidence.
Jacob broke yours so you couldn't escape.
Quote from: MrIncredible on May 18, 2009, 08:25:25 PM
Jacob broke yours so you couldn't escape.
Oh.
Well that makes sense.
Quote from: NAKID on May 18, 2009, 06:25:30 PM
You only need the battery to start the bike hint hint...
i dont think this is true.
I always thought they would run on the stater but they don't.
they started just fine but as soon as you disconnected the jumper
they shut down
If'n ya lived in civilization this thread would have pics of said riding. :P
Quote from: trouble on May 18, 2009, 10:54:58 PM
If'n ya lived in civilization this thread would have pics of said riding. :P
Unfortunately, said riding did not take place.
Maybe in a couple weeks.
Quote from: Mother on May 18, 2009, 09:02:23 PM
I always thought they would run on the stater but they don't.
they started just fine but as soon as you disconnected the jumper
they shut down
i discovered the same thing when my battery wasnt charging. the bike definately uses the battery while running, and when said battery is done, so is your ride.
Sow how does the battery ever return to full charge? That just doesn't make sense...
A carbie will run without the battery, an FI bike won't.
Why?
The stator has to put out enough to run the bike *and* charge the battery.
I've run FI cars with no battery before. . .
from experience...if the battery is completely flat then your FI monster won't run. if it will take a bit of a charge then you'll be ok, but if it won't take a charge then you need a new battery anyways
my XR will run with a dead battery, but the lights don't work that well, and it won't start again.
Quote from: KnightofNi on May 19, 2009, 07:55:22 AM
from experience...if the battery is completely flat then your FI monster won't run. if it will take a bit of a charge then you'll be ok, but if it won't take a charge then you need a new battery anyways
my XR will run with a dead battery, but the lights don't work that well, and it won't start again.
Yeah, thats what we think is going on.
We have one known good battery that works in both our bikes.
One older battery that sat for almost a year on no charger, never got turned on, nothing. That one is more than likely completely dead.
And one battery we don't know the history of (got from a friend) that is suspect.
If the stater (spelling?) was bad on my bike and not charging the battery, wouldn't the good battery have run dead by now?
I'm not technically proficient so I could be completely wrong. It just would seem super weird to me if both bikes had a bad stater or whatever.
I look at it just like a fire truck
Carbie will run directly off the hydrant
FI bike runs off the tank water and the hydrant refills the tank
Battery tester says both batteries are tits up
mystery solved
Quote from: Monsterlover on May 19, 2009, 06:16:28 AM
Why?
The stator has to put out enough to run the bike *and* charge the battery.
I've run FI cars with no battery before. . .
Cars have sufficient output at idle to run, most sporty bikes permanent magnet alternators don't driven off the crankshaft don't. If you look at your car, you will see there is a difference in pulley size, and the alternator is spinning faster than engine speed. Our Ducs and your KTM spin at crankshaft speed. Take an inductive ammeter and measure output, you will see it is less than needed to run the fuel pump, FI and lights.
you da man howie [bow_down]
Another lesson learned about motorcycle batteries
When your local shop says to charge at 1.5 amps
LISTEN
because attempting to charge at 200 amps is a poor choice
Now I have a new battery and a new Battery Tender Plus
I happy to hear you found replacement batteries up in the woods. I was afraid you might have to resort to using potatos.
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Didn't
had to go to that place where all them big boxes are lined up with the gooey gravel laid between 'em
and the christmas lights where those trails come together
full of all sort of folk all packed together
smells funy there
and
it's loud