Can you figure out what it is?
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/SU1HMDAxNDAuanBn.jpg)
Clutch Basket?
muffler bearing?
Clutch disc, missing a bit of the usual stuff that's on a clutch disc.....
$400 Cooling fan bracket thingy ???
a left hand?
doesn't Tristo's seat cowls come with one of those?
Is it at all related to the round component at the front of this Cayman engine?
(http://www.pictures-of-cars.com/New-Images/Porsche-Boxster-Engine.jpg)
Quote from: Speeddog on May 20, 2009, 03:15:41 PM
Clutch disc, missing a bit of the usual stuff that's on a clutch disc.....
Ding ding ding
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/SU1HMDAxNDEuanBn.jpg)
As usual the customer states this happened as he was "just driving down the highway"
Ill have to find some harder ones for you guys. Stay tuned.
yeah...
when he was cruising at 55 and decided to rev the shit out of the engine and drop the clutch?
Quote from: MrFry - Cycles on May 20, 2009, 03:50:12 PM
yeah...
when he was cruising at 55 and decided to rev the shit out of the engine and drop the clutch?
Not really sure. You wouldn't expect this from this type of customer, he's about 70. This is the sort of thing I'm used to seeing from young folk.
This game is rigged. >:(
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 20, 2009, 03:52:01 PM
Not really sure. You wouldn't expect this from this type of customer, he's about 70. This is the sort of thing I'm used to seeing from young folk.
Didn't anyone tell you that a Porsche is yet another form of Viagra for the +70 year olds??
Quote from: Monster Dave on May 20, 2009, 03:55:19 PM
Didn't anyone tell you that a Porsche is yet another form of Viagra for the +70 year olds??
They never taught us that in Porsche school. ;) Most of the older guys really take care of their cars. As in clean em with Q-tips.
Clutch entrails
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/SU1HMDAxNDMuanBn.jpg)
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 20, 2009, 03:52:01 PM
Not really sure. You wouldn't expect this from this type of customer, he's about 70. This is the sort of thing I'm used to seeing from young folk.
Ask him how often his grandson borrows the car. ;)
Quote from: Speeddog on May 20, 2009, 04:07:31 PM
Ask him how often his grandson borrows the car. ;)
His son has his own. Don't know of any grandchildren though. The guy is on a tight budget, but now he also needs a $1000 flywheel to go with the $2000 clutch job.
ah yes.........porsche and tight budget
those words go well together
Watercooled porsches.. :o no thanks! Must keep the techs busy though [thumbsup]
Quote from: Ducaholic on May 20, 2009, 04:58:24 PM
His son has his own. Don't know of any grandchildren though. The guy is on a tight budget, but now he also needs a $1000 flywheel to go with the $2000 clutch job.
That sucks. I figure the old duffer doesn't have much income anymore now that he's retired? What model Porche is it?
Quote from: TAftonomos on May 20, 2009, 06:28:37 PM
Watercooled porsches.. :o no thanks! Must keep the techs busy though [thumbsup]
Actually the water cooled ones are much cheaper to own than the air cooled ones.
Quote from: erkishhorde on May 20, 2009, 06:30:28 PM
That sucks. I figure the old duffer doesn't have much income anymore now that he's retired? What model Porche is it?
Its a plain Jane 02 Boxster.
Perhaps....but can you take a box stock 99 whatever and boost it like the old 935 mag cases with stock pistons? [laugh] Give me a 3.2 in an turbo look tub with a g50/50 any day over any of the newer stuff.
Quote from: TAftonomos on May 20, 2009, 07:13:33 PM
Perhaps....but can you take a box stock 99 whatever and boost it like the old 935 mag cases with stock pistons? [laugh] Give me a 3.2 in an turbo look tub with a g50/50 any day over any of the newer stuff.
You have no arguement with me on that. The old turbo cars have a special place with me. The new turbos are wicked fast that would be very hard to match with the 935 motor but they lack the soul. I don't think I need to explain soul on a Ducati board. ;)
Did that come out of a Boxster or Cayman ?
Looks to cheap to be from a newer 997.
I suppose it could have come out of an older 911 or maybe a 944, 969 or maybe a 928 .
Maybe an old 356 or 912 ? Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on May 22, 2009, 12:00:52 AM
Did that come out of a Boxster or Cayman ?
Looks to cheap to be from a newer 997.
I suppose it could have come out of an older 911 or maybe a 944, 969 or maybe a 928 .
Maybe an old 356 or 912 ? Dolph :)
Its out of a lowly 2002 Boxster, not the S one either. The ones out of the 997s look the same, just a bit bigger. Don't really have that many clutch issues other than them wearing out. See more issues with people buying a Porsche to learn how to drive a manual trans. I've replaced clutches in as little as 70 miles because of poor driving habits. Most will do 50 to 70k if driven correctly. By correctly I don't mean being a puss either. You can drive em hard, just don't abuse the clutch. I've never seen any Porsche clutch shear the disk right off the hub.
There are folks that can break an anvil.
That's some serious damage.
JM
A bit off topic but I was up in NW Illinois/SW Wisconsin this past weekend and saw a bright red 928 that sai SV84CAM on the plate running with a group of newer stuff...they were all flying but that 928 sounded like pure sex. They were getting a good chuckle out of the guy in the Scion tC trying to keep up just for the sound. *drool*
Quote from: ZLTFUL on May 22, 2009, 06:18:28 AM
A bit off topic but I was up in NW Illinois/SW Wisconsin this past weekend and saw a bright red 928 that sai SV84CAM on the plate running with a group of newer stuff...they were all flying but that 928 sounded like pure sex. They were getting a good chuckle out of the guy in the Scion tC trying to keep up just for the sound. *drool*
928s are great cars when they are not broken. They bring the suck when they do break. It sucks for the owners and the tech fixing the car. My dealership will very rarely bring one in. We may accept one every two years but this is entirely dependent on the condition of the car. I did some AC work of one a few months back. This car was an 89 with 15K on the clock. The AC system is vacuum operated and this car was one big vacuum leak. Fixed all the leaks and the AC started working again. I quoted the customer 10 hours at $125 an hour to start before I turned a wrench on the car with the possibility of more time needed and of course any parts that may be required. There were several vacuum solenoids that were bad. These were all under the dash and were next to impossible to gain access to. His final bill was just over 2 grand. This was just for the AC and I gave the guy quite a break. He also needed timing belts cause they were original and there were oil leaks out of everything. I had a guy offer me a 928 for free. Everything was there and it could have been a nice project for someone but to make it road worthy would have costed me far more in parts than the car was worth. They always have been and always will be a very expensive car to own.
Jon
Got another one for ya'll. Whats this?
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21122957.jpg)
I'll give ya a hint. It goes with this.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21123107.jpg)
Damnit! I wanna play but work blocks pictures! [bang]
Clearly it's the Connipoly pin. Probably sheared off when the Frambis seized up.
Regarding 70 year olds - I work with one, and he takes his M3's / M5's and 7 series past a ton more often than I do on the monster. He also trades them in about every 6 months.
mitt
I think I have a pretty good idea of what it is....
I have one from a audi that looks like it ;D
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/acalles1/DSC00513.jpg)
You stay out of it. Your too good at this game. Yes your right as always. ;D
So...
Is that one o them muffler bearings?
I didn't say what it was. just showed another picture.. ;D
I'm actually surprised there was another failure like this... this one was the first I've ever seen. Its not common for these types of failures to go this far... but this one was pure abuse.
is this problem more common on porsche?
Its out of a 911, the part you posted is from a boxster. Totally different um, part. Never seen this before either. Pure abuse. Showed 1000 ignitions over 8 grand. Car redlines at 7250. Showed 27,000 past redline.
Quote from: Ducaholic on October 21, 2009, 03:37:55 PM
Its out of a 911, the part you posted is from a boxster. Totally different um, part. Never seen this before either. Pure abuse. Showed 1000 ignitions over 8 grand. Car redlines at 7250. Showed 27,000 past redline.
part I posted is from a 03, 3.0 A4 Quattro...
no faults for engine speed max limit exceeded. lots of faults for misfires and engine load limit as well as ABS rough road faults (yes it drove in, but was running THAT BAD) :o. after repairs (which amounted to a little more then $8K) ran like a top. those V6's are beasts.
how the hell did they rev it that high???? 6th to 1st?.....things people do to cars..... remarkable.
I'm going to assume it's something from the transmission....
I thought maybe bellhousing fragments from exploding clutch but it looks a little small.
I'll think about it some more...
Okay Ill give.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21123025.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21123041.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21123453.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21123124.jpg)
This is out of a 2000 911 cabrio. Car has 22,000 miles. The ignitions I was mentioning earlier are how we tell if a car has been abused. An ignition is each time a spark plug fires. Usually we see 100 or so in range one which is redline to about 8,000 rpms. We never see them in range 2. This car shows 27,000 ignitions in range 1 and 1,000 in range 2. Clearly this car has missed a downshift or something. Funny thing is I put a new transmission in this same car two years ago because second gear quit second gearing. Customer owns an auto body shop down on the Mexican border. These guys are hacks at best as I've seen several of their butcher jobs come this way. Since said customer owns shop, he thinks he knows everything about everything. He assumes the transmission should be covered under warranty and throws a fit untill I explain to him I know what really happened. Then he quiets up and listens. He then asks how it can go over 8,000 rpm if it has a rev limiter. He probably meant to stick it in 4th at 100mph but hit second instead. There is no way I can send this transmission back to Porsche and they will cover it. First thing they will ask for is the ignition ranges. Not only did the transmission go boom, but he also took a good chunk out of the back of the engine. This is a very key piece because it is also a mount. So my estimate also included a new engine. Oh yeah, He has to pay the core charges too.
Chunk of the engine that stayed with the trans.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21123350.jpg)
Backside of the engine missing a mount.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-10-21123336.jpg)
All in all, the transmission is $10,000, the engine is $16,000 plus 25 hours labor and misc parts like a new flywheel and clutch puts the bill right at $30,500. [bang] I am still waiting to see what the customer wants to do.
Bah, I got distracted and forgot to post that it was part of a transmission bell - crap!
And... um wow. That's a big piece of engine still on there... that's not gonna buff out
Quote from: Ducaholic on October 22, 2009, 04:34:54 AM
All in all, the transmission is $10,000, the engine is $16,000 plus 25 hours labor and misc parts like a new flywheel and clutch puts the bill right at $30,500. [bang] I am still waiting to see what the customer wants to do.
on this one
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/acalles1/DSC00514.jpg)
I honestly don't have a clue how they did it. The owner said his son was borrowing the car. I wish I knew exactly what they were doing. I've seen lots of beat up clutches but nothing like this.
duel mass flywheel came undone at the dampener and the friction plate was slinging around beating on the transmission case.. it was running so rough it caused misfire faults. This also took out the upper oil pan and the right front inner CV was about to blow up.
like I said, they drove it in, only complaint was runs rough and no reverse.
It took me about 2 months but I found a good used trans. I had to replace the upper oil pan as well... labor for both was a smooth 24 hours. took about 3 full days.
they told there insurance co they slid off the road and hit something. insurance co paid for it. I just kept my mouth shut and let the adjuster figure it out.
Dayum. Looks very similar to an early boxter transmission. I still want to hear the customers story. Can't wait.
Quote from: Ducaholic on October 22, 2009, 07:40:58 AM
Dayum. Looks very similar to an early boxter transmission. I still want to hear the customers story. Can't wait.
people hate to tell you how they broke their cars.
Its like they think you gonna reprimand them for what they did.. I always feel like telling them, "I'm not your dad I ain't gonna yell at you, I just wanna know how far you really pushed this thing before it blew." [laugh]
I've been looking at the used prices on Boxters. They appear to be fairly reasonable but on the upper end of my price range. My question is, how would typical maintenance costs add up vs say a Nissan Z car or Honda S2000. I expect more, but how much is more? I'd really like to pick up a small 2 seat sporty car and hadn't realized until recently that pretty nice ones were available in the $25-$30K range.
If it comes down to it, I think a 350Z is my best bet.
Quote from: acalles on October 22, 2009, 06:47:20 AM
I honestly don't have a clue how they did it. The owner said his son was borrowing the car. I wish I knew exactly what they were doing. I've seen lots of beat up clutches but nothing like this.
like I said, they drove it in, only complaint was runs rough and no reverse.
they told there insurance co they slid off the road and hit something. insurance co paid for it. I just kept my mouth shut and let the adjuster figure it out.
Entirely possible they slid off the road. I saw similar damage several years ago when my sons gf tore the trans and rear end out of her moms MB SL500. Said they were going down the road, veered off, and hit a concrete post in the median that stuck up about 6" high.
Insurance paid, moms got another SL, and daughter was driving it soon after.
Quote from: DW on October 24, 2009, 10:40:54 AM
I've been looking at the used prices on Boxters. They appear to be fairly reasonable but on the upper end of my price range. My question is, how would typical maintenance costs add up vs say a Nissan Z car or Honda S2000. I expect more, but how much is more? I'd really like to pick up a small 2 seat sporty car and hadn't realized until recently that pretty nice ones were available in the $25-$30K range.
I was wondering about this also. I drove a used Boxster a while back and really liked it, plus the price was reasonable.
Quote from: Bun-bun on October 24, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
Entirely possible they slid off the road. I saw similar damage several years ago when my sons gf tore the trans and rear end out of her moms MB SL500. Said they were going down the road, veered off, and hit a concrete post in the median that stuck up about 6" high.
Insurance paid, moms got another SL, and daughter was driving it soon after.
not in this case. it was defiantly caused by the damaged flywheel. there was no under body damage and the lower plastic sound dampeners were intact not to mention the thin cooling fins on the trans were unharmed. had there been a impact with them all that stuff would have been destroyed.
Maintenance costs on a Porsche will always be more than on a Japanese car if you take it in to be serviced. In all honesty they are not hard to maintain yourself if your mechanically savvy. They are very different than other makes. If you plan to work on the car yourself, most everything is done from underneath so a good Jack and jackstands is mandatory. If y'all are looking for one than pm me and I'll tell you what to look out for.
Okay guys, got a good one fer ya. What's this?
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17112051.jpg)
a counter balance shaft or valve terrian shaft.
Gear driven on far left and chain sprockets near left and on right end.
Looks a little short and too big of diameter to be for the cam drive... but that's where I'd put my money.
Is The HandTM covering a clue?
Nice bling toolbox there. ;)
Variocam shaft of some sort??
Nah not covering anything up Nick. Diva your kinda close and I'm impressed. Little vague though [thumbsup]. Pip, Variocam would be in the cylinder head, this is in the block.
Quote from: Ducaholic on November 17, 2009, 08:17:56 AM
Nah not covering anything up. Diva your kinda close and I'm impressed. Little vague though [thumbsup]. Pip, Variocam would be in the cylinder head, this is in the block.
Why?? Because I'm woman. ;)
Doesn't mean I'm not a gear head and a Porsche nut.
A secondary balancer shaft??
Your close but it doesnt balance anything. I'll give a hint, Its about as common on Porsche cars as flaking rockers are on the 9x6 superbikes. Doesn't happen to all of them but it can be a big issue. Heres another pic and some damage.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17112202.jpg)
It goes in there, excuse the messy tool room where I'm working.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17110352.jpg)
I'm stumped. [bang]
crank shaft?
Looks like it fits in the smaller "saddles" that are closest to the the center of the pict.
the chains that it drives are on the engine piece hanging from the lift in the background.
Nice shopping cart, too! ;)
Yeah I wish that was my shopping cart, but it belongs to the parts monkeys. :-[ Yes it does go in the smaller bores.
Bling toolbox pic for Speeddog
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17130506.jpg)
Quote from: Ducaholic on November 17, 2009, 09:12:24 AM
Bling toolbox pic for Speeddog
~~~snip~~~
Nice jewelry box! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Speeddog on November 17, 2009, 09:27:32 AM
Nice jewelry box! [thumbsup]
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/smileys/s1.gif) (http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/smileys/flipa.gif)
;D
How long are you going to leave us hanging??
[popcorn]
I was gonna wait for some more peeps to chime in. Give them a chance.
Is it the intermediate shaft that has caused so much heartburn for porsche owners?
Quote from: Schwanger on November 17, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
Is it the intermediate shaft that has caused so much heartburn for porsche owners?
I thought the intermediate shaft was WHY they bought Porsches in the first place? [cheeky]
Quote from: Schwanger on November 17, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
Is it the intermediate shaft that has caused so much heartburn for porsche owners?
You nailed it [thumbsup]
This is the culprit from the outside of the motor. There is supposed to be a nut covering the hole.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-16153044.jpg)
So yank the motor out
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-16132325.jpg)
Put it on the engine stand
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-16134725.jpg)
Start taking it apart
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-16141926.jpg)
Look at them fancy camshafts
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-16145820.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-16152109.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-16172440.jpg)
Getting closer
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17093317.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17093302.jpg)
And the culprit
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17110415.jpg)
Usually its the bearing that fails first. Its disintigrated in this pic. When that happens, things get expensive very fast. The intermediate shaft is driven by the crank, which in turn drives the camshafts. Luckily this owner turned it off when he heard bad noises so I can rebuild it instead of putting a $16,000 engine in.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17111022.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/2009-11-17102422.jpg)
:P
Not nearly as exciting as I though.