Ducati Monster Forum

Hey all,

Well, as the Majority of you know I got told I was losing my Job at the Ducati Dealer because of the recession as of June 30 (They are closing the store down) I finished up on Monday morning as I have a new Job starting next week, I have gone back to the Car Audio world, I got a Job at WOW sight and sound, it's only Casual to start with (25 to 30 hours a week) but a job is a job, and the Manager of the store it looking for a Dept Manager for the section, and he said the couple of guys that are in there either are not interested or are moving to different sections, so we'll see what happens.

Anyway onto the Interesting stuff.  ;D

I got motivated today and removed the OEM Black Brembo kit from my S2R 800 and Installed the Spanky new Brembo Goldline Upgrade Kit, I changed the OEM bolts to Stainless Steel where I could, and I'll order the Stainless rotor bolts so next time the wheel is off to change the front tyre I'll put the stainless bolts in to stop corrosion.

Before:
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/SpankyMK/DSC01595.jpg?t=1243918865)
After:
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/SpankyMK/DSC01601.jpg?t=1243918901)

I have bled the system a couple of time this afternoon, but it's still a little spongy, So I have pulled the lever back to the bar and cable tied it there, topped off the fluid and left the Master cylinder cover loose to allow for any final bubbles floating around, but even in it's spongy form and when I was bedding in the disc's/Pads, the difference is mind blowing!
I could quite easily stand the bike on it's nose!!!  :o
Even with the Ferodo XR pads and pulling the lever as hard as I could on the OEM system I could never have achieved that sort of stopping power.

Nice looking CD.
A very worthy upgrade for the S2R 800's they did suffer from lesser brakes.
 

great job....I like the idea about stainless bolts...

feel free to order double and I'll fix you up mate!  [thumbsup]

Only one word to describe those gold calipers - "Bohemoth"

No worries Spider, I'll let you know when I'm getting my order ready  [thumbsup]

Congrats on a new job [thumbsup]

- and I'm back to choosing between a vacation or new brakes [bang]

oy, am I the only one who reckons those aftermarket brembos look a fair bit better than the OEM spec ones on the m1000/748 etc???

Sorry to sound ignorant but was this a straight swap with no mods required. Also, where did you source them from, new or off another monster.

Have just ftted a pair of discs from one of the Sports models, not sure which, but the one/s that runs a 6 bolt pattern !  ;D

They are thicker than the stock M1000S ones, and the lever is now a lot more solid in feel and there is better bite when applied. [thumbsup]

Aren't they the same? They look the same to me but I'd admit I'd not paying real attention!

It's an upgrade kit from Ducati, it's basically just converts the S2R 800 into a S2R 1000 Braking system.


The only difference being that from the Factory the S2R 1000 brakes are Black and in the S2R 800 upgrade kit they are Gold (For Maximum Wank value  [evil] )

They have 2 different upgrade kits for the S2R 800 front end:
#96845805B  The Goldline brake upgrade that I have fitted here I think it retails for about $1200
and
#96615702B The Radial front end, this kit includes new Disc's, Radial brakes, Ohlins forks, Magnesium bottom Yoke and Carbon Fiber Mud Guard, and it can be yours for approx $7000  :o

The only thing I didn't get in the kit was brake fluid (Of course) Dumbass me forgot that little fact, started stripping all the old equipment off and then had to put it back together to go and get some fluid (That wasted half an hour)  [bang]

But apart from that little brain fart, it all went on very easy, no drama's, no hassles, all the bolts and accessories to do the job are in the box, I just did a quick re-bleed this morning and it has all come up very nicely, so I'll have breakfast this morning, then I'm going for a run up the Gillies
 [evil] [thumbsup]

Sorry Spider I can't see the difference from my OEM ones.  Must be subtle. (Mine are dirtier at the moment tho)

Your bike is looking good CairnsDuc - I'm undecided on the chain, leaning more towards like than dislike.

Thanks Heatherp, I am undecided on the Chain myself, I'll probably put on a gold or black next time, leaning more towards the black. but I don't have to worry about that for quite a while  ;D

sorry to go on a tangent. This cought my attention.
*waves* fellow installer here! Private cash work mostly, but since 1993. We dont have WOW here, but you get lots of kids buying their "bargains" at JB Hifi and the likes, then they blow something up DIY'ing it. So i come in and help for $  ;D.
Are you on MEA or DIY forums? I'm also doing alot of comp judging these days too. Funny, as I left the industry in 02, only to come back in and its all changed, T/A this and PEQ everything to death that! No need to be good at installing anymore, electronics fix the f'ups.  :P
 Doing my an install for myself, its been years, 3-way active front, deadhead & I.B. 18" out back. Old school amps, new school drivers. - Chris

ps, let us know how the new job gets on!

I used to be involved on all levels of the Industry, judging, installing, used to be the Senior Moderator on the Rockford Fosgate forum (I still think I'm listed a the main Mod) I used to do dome mod work on some other forums.

I used to set up and run shows, Sound offs, set up and tune customer cars and then in my spare time setup, design and install my own systems (As in: Late night/Early mornings) but in the end I just burnt out, to much time in the industry, working 7 days and most nights for no extra money.

The worst I did was for setting up for a show on sat/Sun, Thursday night I had no system in the car, worked most of Thursday night, slept for 3 hours at work, went home and had a shower, came back and tweaked and tuned customer cars all day and then worked all night friday night to complete a system by about 4am the Saturday morning, tweaked and tuned until about 8 when all the customers turned up, drove the 3 hours to the show, spent all day sorting out customer cars and helping them. finally got to sleep at about about 11:30pm after the wet T-shirt comp (I had my priorities right  [thumbsup] )
We won all but 1 class we entered, I walked away with a trophy, but decided I had had enough, it was no fun anymore.

I got out the industry for about 3 years, went back in again when a job presented itself, but again the hours started racking up and it was time to walk away again, but while I was there I designed and built this little number: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/423680 (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/423680)

So this time I am just going in to do a job, no shows, no demo car, none of that crap, just walk in, do my job and walk out again.
Sorry to rant, but the Car audio industry has always held such mixed feelings for me.  :D

You won a trophy in the wet t-shirt comp? Well done!

I also LORV the RF gear, not enough to get a tat' (dont like tats) but its a real CA company that has continued to make reputable products.

Wow, it must be a CA thing at our level, you could have lifted that from the diaries of many sucessfull installers/organisers. Thanks mang, it was guys like you that kept it going while i was out doing other things.  ;D

Nice echo, fan of that 3-way front end. Hard to get with in such a small car, but you mention in that link how you worked, obvioulsy PLD and distance to Kickpanel was critical. 1 seater or 2, for SQ? [thumbsup]


No need to apologise mate! Totally understand. Car Audio had peaked and now its also a mixed time for me aswell. So I totally respect that now you just want to earn your keep. I left because I never wanted to get that deep, hence go out early.
The few customers that call me now are ussually for upgrades, removal of gear, re-fits into different cars, or just basic stuff for friends. Not tied to any shop any way, anymore (or have been since '02). Well done CairnsDuc, thanks for sharing your story with us [thumbsup] . - Chris

LMFAO!!  [laugh]

Notice he still didn't clarify which class he didn't win  ;)

Well done CD with the brakes and the job  [thumbsup]


Was there any change to the master cylinder? If you have kept the original master cylinder you will get more 'feel' on the lever ... don't know if this means spongy but the smaller master pushing into 4 pistons instead of 2 will require more lever movement.

EDIT: snipped stuff because my brain doesn't work anymore

Size  [laugh]
Best Mates wife beat me......pregnant dog!!

The Kit includes everything needed for the Job, New Master, lines, bolt's, the lot.

The main reason for the upgrade was the Safety factor, I go and have my fun on the Gillies range, and I could reach the limits of the black brakes very quickly, even with new Ferodo XR pads and replacing the fluid, I tried to extract as much as I could from the OEM setup, and by the time I had finished with them they were pretty decent, but the Gillies range is very tough on Brakes. Now with the Goldlines, I am not at the limits of the brakes all the time.

So now I can fiddle with setup of these brakes, I will be replacing the OEM pads, they are crap, very poor initial bite, and very wooden when they get hot.

What kind of upgrades do you have in mind?

By now, I know you're an undercover agent for MasterCard [evil] , but I forgive you.

if you haven't already, you might want to bleed the master cylinder, did it come with a bleed nipple where the banjo bolt is? if not get a rag, and wrap it around the m/cyl and using a ring spanner crack it open as someone squeezes the lever, they often get a pocket of air that leads to a spongy feel and it won't move without bleeding.
You might want to rethink stainless rotor bolts as well, they don't have anywhere near the tensile strength as regular steel bolts and the cad plate on the std bolts will stop corrosion. Not forever, being in cairns i guess, but better than shearing bolts. Call me paranoid but they're your brakes, your choice for sure, but know what you're doing, not everything is a move forward.
http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grade-Chart.aspx (http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grade-Chart.aspx)

paul.
p.s, nice brakes!

Visa Actually  [laugh]

I always like my brakes to have a particular feel, These at the moment don't have it, the initial bite is very average and it requires to much pressure to get the brakes to really grab and brake hard, I have ridden a couple of S2R 1000's and they are the same, my original brakes were also the same, so I intend to change the front brake pads to the XR (Sintered) pads from Ferodo or the Platinum, I'm not concerned with pad or disc life, I would rather wear out disc's or Pads a bit prematurely than not have enough braking power.

Don't get me wrong, the brakes are an immense improvement over the OEM 2 piston setup, this is more about setting it up to get the feel and performance I prefer.

Loony888, I have heard similar about Stainless vs the Steel bolts, If I was going to do it, I would probably go the whole hog and get the pure over the top, unadulterated utter wank that is Titanium  [evil], Corrosion up here is really bad, I have replaced an immense amount of fasteners on the bike due to corrosion already, Most Stainless, some Titanium.

And I have bled the system a few times, but allowing it's a new install I have spoken to a few people in the know and they have said it will still need a couple more. every time I bleed it, the sponginess is less and less.

GREAT thread ! Nice work on the brake upgrade  [bow_down]

and great Car Audio disscusion !!!

PPI > R.F.  ;D

J/K RF still makes good stuff and well PPI doesn't

~DaVe

how do you know how good the brakes are when you havent run them in  properly yet run them in and get the air out mine were a bit woody new but now there two fingers only job cheers bazz

That's why I haven't ordered new pads yet, I intend to bleed the system a couple of more times, I'll let the system bed in and settle down, but I have ridden a couple of S2R 1000's that have the exact same setup, and they feel very similar with the OEM pads, I just don't like the feel of the OEM pads, I prefer the strong initial bite that Sintered pads offer, I have also ridden a MultiStrada and a GT1000, all with similar (Note: similar, not the same) brake setups and they also have this same initial feel.

The OEM black Brembo 2 piston setup had the same feel when I first bought the bike, very vague on first application and a very wooden feeling overall, I changed to the Sintered pads, much better initial bite and superb feeling.

The only brakes I truly loved from Factory were the Radial setup on the S4R I had as a daily rider when I worked for the local Ducati Dealer, Which had a set of Ferodo Sintered pads fitted in it. (The bike had 8000ks' on it and had been trashed from day one)

I think that is half the problem, I was spoilt when I got to ride so many superb bikes, In the short time I was at the dealer I rode it all, Hypers, 1098/s/r, S4R, 696, 1100 Monster, Etc
So I got to try some amazing machinery and there amazing braking systems that they were equipped with.

Also, please don't think I am complaining about the Brakes, I love the upgrade and the difference is immense, I just am just going through the final little tweaks to get the absolute best out of the setup, overall I feel it was money well spent  [thumbsup]

I too was truely impressed when Brad changed the stock pads on the 4 pots to Ferodo's.

Plan to do the same once I get back in the saddle and start pushing it a little....

of course great brakes do mean great suspension....no point having great initial bite...but soggy front end...it'll just dive!

fair enough c d , my only complaint with my brakes is the black dust on white wheels does the ferodos stop that cheers bazz

Bazz, the platinum's are the ones that are normally recommended as the first ones to try....but I believe the ST (stainless disc) and XR produce a lot less dust (disc deposition is the terminology used).

RJ

I have the Platinum on the rear of the bike, and it is amazing how much dust comes off those tiny little pads, to confirm what Spider as said above.
While I had the rear apart to install the Painted swingarm, I installed a new set of pads and replaced all the fluid in the rear brake system, I am still amazed at how much air was in the system :o bedding in the new rear pads put an amazing amount of dust all over the rear wheel.

Having said that though, at least the rear brake has some decent stopping ability now, when I bought the bike I figured the rear brake must be an optional extra, because every time I pressed the brake peddle, nothing happened!  [laugh]

But the Sintered (or XR as they are referred to now) Were excellent for there lack of dust, even during the bedding in process, they weren't to bad, and offered amazing feel and stopping power.

Cairns....we're ready to start our hotdesk helpline!

"Hello, welcome to the bike upgrade centre, yours speaking with Spider, where would you like to spend your money today?"

 [thumbsup] [laugh]

perhaps we have an automated option:

press 1 for VISA
press 2 for Mastercard
press 3 for Wife's VISA
press 4 for Vince's Mastercard

By selection 4 you will have the chance to win some fabulous prizes.

1st prise 1 horses head delivered straight to your bed. ;)

2nd prize a knee capping  8)

3rd prize thrown into a Sardinian pig pen for their next supper, Hmmm yum yum    [bacon]

So don't be shy try your luck you never know you might just be the lucky winner  [thumbsup]

4th Prize: A Pants Down Spankin!!!  [laugh]

ill go with 4th Prize, now who want to spank me  [evil]

Heh!! You feel the need to ask??? [evil] [thumbsup]

Everyone form an orderly queue and make sure you have warm hands  [thumbsup]  ;D

Well its Vince's card so he should go first.

ok now im home who is spanking me first [evil]

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