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http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12497597?nclick_check=1&forced=true (http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12497597?nclick_check=1&forced=true)

The latest version of Pavley's bill drops the smog-test provision. It now merely authorizes law enforcement officers to fine motorcyclists who remove the converters.

It still represents carte blance for LEOs to write tickets.

Yeah. Assuming you take the catalytic converter off.


It's illegal to remove it. We know this, and you probably knew it before you took it off, and you did it anyway.



I'm not sure what the issue is if we actually have to be responsible for our own actions.

Because you're such a saint... [roll]

The issue is that my catalytic converter was unceremoniously copped out of my storage space by the facility manager and sold off (along with my extra Supersport fairings) as abandoned goods due to a clerical error. And there are lots of people in the same boat. Maybe you bought a bike that came with aftermarket exhaust and didn't get original parts in the deal. Who knows. The law is supposed to be an approximation of justice, not a means for cops to improve state revenues...or to meet some elusive, mythical emission targets set by an organization with an agenda and specious data.

I pick my loopholes.

The ole Ford is noisy as can be  [evil]

I figured as much...

Maybe we need a tax on bacon. Because making it, transporting it, and cooking it uses far more energy than my bike. That's much lower-hanging fruit than bikes.

Has removing the catalytic converter not been illegal in the past?  For some reason I thought it was because of something Desmoto said one time about them not legally being able to change FI, Carb's, etc.  Those types of things might be completely unrelated, I dunno...

It may well be illegal, but seldom enforced. But the point is that there are a lot of people who would be very hard-pressed to bring that cat back...whether or not they did the original mod or the bike came that way.

As far as I know, it's been illegal for sometime, so essentially, they'll be writing tickets for a law already on the books.



Hard pressed? This board is *full* of people in other states with no such laws. I'd be amazed if you couldn't get a stock exhaust off of one of 'em.



That and there is some sort of vague loophole that if a OEM exhaust costs above a certain percentage of the value of the vehicle, you're allowed to use an alternative one. Belle's bike, being worth all of $50, would have a pass. Duc-stu had been telling me about said law. Mebbe he knows more.

if it passes, i would rather see the bill pass in its original form ... with smog checks.  at least then, you can schedule to re-install all the smog shite (granted, if you still have it, but if not, arrange to borrow it) then take the smog test, then de-install all the smog shite.

having the po po enforce it will be nothing but trouble ... as you can get popped anytime.

The original bill, IIRC, included both.

This is decent news.   [thumbsup]


NO!!!  If you've gotten rid of the stock airbox, had any engine work done, or modded your stock headers (all of which I've done), you're screwed.  And you'd have to get your bike remapped for superlean smog-check.  I'd much rather fight with the cops about it.  Look, they're already have a billion reasons to target motorcycles and give a fix-it ticket.  They can pull you over for pretty much anything.  What's one more reason?

I'm off to pour motor oil onto a seal pup in the Bay.  See y'all later. 

We don't need to hear about your kinky personal life [puke]

Yeah, that's kinda where I was headed.  The bill sounds like it's being watered down to something that's a redundancy of existing policy.  So that's not soooo bad.  Not great--but not as horrible as the first version of this bill.




That sounds like a huuuuuuge pain in the arse. 




It's worth 50 whole dollars?!  Woot!   [moto]

don't forget to drink some NOS ... the fuel additive, not the energy drink.  [thumbsup]

as much as it REALLY pains me to have to admit it ... you are right on this one.  [bow_down]

damn you!!!  :'(

OK, I know it's totally off-topic but one of the sidebar stories on the same page as the emissions bill story was too hilarious to pass up:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12502031?source=most_viewed (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12502031?source=most_viewed)

  [puke] that is funny and nasty at the same time

At least it wasn't with a little dog.   :P

I would be surprised if most cops could even identify a canister, much less start enforcing a new law.  When I registered my out of state Superhawk, there was nothing stock about it, including obnoxiously loud pipes, integrated tail light turn signals, etc.  The CHP inspector didn't notice anything out of place.  Now, if I were clocked at 150 doing a stand up wheelie in a school zone with no pants on, I would expect the cop to go over my bike with a fine tooth comb.

Loud aftermarket pipes are illegal under more or less the same umbrella and are infinitely easier to spot than a cat/emissions removal.

And how many fix-it tickets get written for that? Almost none.

I'm not worrying about it.

Mind you, maybe we should start a "stock parts lending library" where you can borrow the stock stuff just long enough to pass the tests  ;D

Last year there was someone in the UK caught doing it with his bicycle. :-X

Wha?  Why?  Which part?    [laugh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm# (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm#)

So...the cleaning staff opened this guy's room, saw him doing [whatever] with the bicycle, then had him arrested because...somehow it was illegal? Not sure how UK law works, but that seems a bit ridiculous.

Gives a whole new meaning to that Queen song about bicycles.

People shouldn't love machines...





unless it's a Desmosedici rr. 

Yeah, but those vertical exhausts present a logistical problem ;D

can't you throw fuel additive in there before running it through smog checks though?

what does the catalytic converter look like anyways? my motorcycle does not have fuel injection.

(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs008.snc1/4445_105956404223_589624223_2759290_7752453_n.jpg)

Does that stuff really work? You just pop off that twist cap and pour it into the fuel tank?

DQ is messing with ya.  ;)
Check out the Nos thread (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24185.0).

I did a search on "NOS" on here and all I got for results were "... nose... nose nose ValentiNOS, nose NOSed, etc etc"

I'm not surprised you couldn't find them...but there were actually 3 separate threads (that I saw) on it:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24053.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24053.0)
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24050.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24050.0)
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24185.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24185.0)

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24185.msg425697;topicseen#msg425697 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=24185.msg425697;topicseen#msg425697)

yup ... dq is still pissed off @ the mormons from last weekend, and is taking it out on you  [evil]

dq sez the mormons are his customers ...   [thumbsup]

The Mormons are my customers...I can't be pissed at them. I'm just angry in general.

I think you might want to try this website out... http://www.angermanagementseminar.com/ (http://www.angermanagementseminar.com/)

I'm just a concerned citizen :)

They've tried that. No dice. I need automatic weapons instead.

http://www.hasbro.com/supersoaker/en_US/ (http://www.hasbro.com/supersoaker/en_US/)   ... for your safety and the safety of others