So I'm headed home this afternoon on the 210 and I come up behind some jackbag doing 60 in the carpool lane. You know the guy, lost in conversation, arms flailing about as he tells his story, etc. The rest of the traffic around me is buzzing by and I decide to join them. A quick twist of the wrist and I haul ass around him and make my way back into the 2nd lane. Of course, the bike cop on the side of the ride sees nothing but the (apparent) 82 mph on his radar gun. I tell him my sob story which, of course, he cares little about and writes me my ticket. Surprisingly, he does not confiscate my out of state license -- whew! So the question for all of you longtime CA riders is this: will an (older guy's) spotless record get this taken under advisement for a year or is traffic school a possibility? Obviously, I'd love to not get bent over by my insurance company for a questionable ticket. Timing really is everything... and not just on the track.
You should be able to do an online course for a fee that will keep it of your record. My wife got a ticket doing 90 and this kept it off her record, but she can't remember how she went about enrolling in the corse.
Good luck
If you got a ticket in CA and have an out of state license, just pay the fine and you won't get any points.
sorry to hear about that. Good luck.
I've been coasting on my out of state license for over 1+ years, but now that I've decided to stay I don't want to get nailed for this when I do ultimately get my CA license. I'll have to do something about it, just want to make sure it doesn't blow my insurance up.
Good luck. I am not in CA. Here's what I know. I recently took driving remedial course (by State recommended/approved) to reduce 2 points. But you have to do it before your ticket court date and verdict is rendered. Basically they apply the -2 points to the next ticket the driving bureau receives. So you may luck out that way. in addition, i know that its best to go to court and hope that prosecutor will give you option to pay court fee for 0 point and reduce speed. It's not a good idea to just mail in your payment.
I got a speeding ticket in Ca. with a Co. licence and I just paid it.
About a year later I got my Ca. Class B to drive a school bus.
CHP and the DOJ did a complete background check for Ca. Co. and Or. because I had lived in those states.
Nothing about the ticket ever showed up.
Quote from: nfwb11 on June 06, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
I tell him my sob story which, of course, he cares little about and writes me my ticket.
this is why you never tell them anything. always answer as ambiguously as possible.
Quote from: xcaptainxbloodx on June 07, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
this is why you never tell them anything. always answer as ambiguously as possible.
90% of the people I let off with a warning are the ones that tell me what they did without waiting for me to ask them. The ones that are being obviously ambiguous all get tickets.
Like mentioned above..just pay for a course and you should be fine.
In AZ, I took a 2 day course, paid a few bucks and the points were gone. I just couldn't get another ticket for a year.
CA should have something comparable?!
Quote from: IZ on June 07, 2009, 06:26:13 PM
Like mentioned above..just pay for a course and you should be fine.
In AZ, I took a 2 day course, paid a few bucks and the points were gone. I just couldn't get another ticket for a year.
CA should have something comparable?!
Yep. Traffic school. You can go once every 18 months. It's 8 hours and can be taken online. In LA County you can go to 2nd offender school (16 hours instead of 8) also. But.....you can't go at all if your cite is for a certain amount over the speed limit. I can't remember if it's 20 over or 25 over.
With an out of state license you don't need to take the course. The points don't follow you. As long as you pay the fine that is all they care about.
remember "anything you say can (will) be used against you in a court of law".
so if you have nothing positive/or that will totally exonerate you to say, don't say it at all, you are not required to.
I think the main rule is "don't lie".
Quote from: sbrguy on June 07, 2009, 09:23:20 PM
remember "anything you say can (will) be used against you in a court of law".
so if you have nothing positive/or that will totally exonerate you to say, don't say it at all, you are not required to.
I think the main rule is "don't lie".
Like I said. While true, the people that go this route all drive away with a ticket. And I don't need you to say anything anyway. If I did I wouldn't have stopped you.
Quote from: Scotzman on June 06, 2009, 09:54:19 PM
You should be able to do an online course for a fee that will keep it of your record. My wife got a ticket doing 90 and this kept it off her record, but she can't remember how she went about enrolling in the corse.
Good luck
The availability of online traffic school is based on the county in which the ticket was received.
You could try to fight the ticket through Trial by Declaration, citing some combination of basic speed law CVC 22350 and the other driver (and you) impeding traffic(not sure of the CVC), but that may not get you off and you may not be entitled to traffic school.
Quote from: hbliam on June 07, 2009, 10:38:06 PM
Like I said. While true, the people that go this route all drive away with a ticket. And I don't need you to say anything anyway. If I did I wouldn't have stopped you.
I've always had great luck with the three Cs
Courteous (Why be rude? The officer is just doing his job, and I was the guy doing something wrong, not him)
Contrite (Yes, I am actually sorry that I'm making the officer write a ticket)
Confess (Yes, I was doing something dumb)
And not to contradict you, you can still do the 3Cs while not specifically admitting what you did wrong.
"Yeah, I was being an idiot/agressive/having too much fun" is usually sufficiently confessional, without actually admitting guilt.
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on June 08, 2009, 09:55:20 AM
I've always had great luck with the three Cs
Courteous (Why be rude? The officer is just doing his job, and I was the guy doing something wrong, not him)
Contrite (Yes, I am actually sorry that I'm making the officer write a ticket)
Confess (Yes, I was doing something dumb)
And not to contradict you, you can still do the 3Cs while not specifically admitting what you did wrong.
"Yeah, I was being an idiot/agressive/having too much fun" is usually sufficiently confessional, without actually admitting guilt.
Good post and I agree, you don't have to admit guilt to be "honest' with the Officer.
how about with traffic cops?
Im pretty sure theres a different set of rules with them cause ive been in a car as a passenger and heard them tell the driver "i dont wanna hear it" or "too bad" they seem to be a different breed.
Quote from: He Man on June 08, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
how about with traffic cops?
Im pretty sure theres a different set of rules with them cause ive been in a car as a passenger and heard them tell the driver "i dont wanna hear it" or "too bad" they seem to be a different breed.
I know you just got a ticket you are very unhappy with, but there's a big difference between the discussion going on here and your comment. knock it off please.
I apologize if i was being offensive in anyway, but it is a legitimate question. If hbliam, which, to my understanding is an Police officer,, says that hes more prone to give a ticket if someone keeps it shut then if they were to just honest, is it the same etiquette for traffic cops?
If that's inappropriate to ask, the feel free to delete both of my post.
I wondered the same too. Why was your remark/post considered offensive? It just seems that the topic of [leo] is a blasphemy. Sounds ridiculous to me frankly speaking!
On-Line traffic school, so easy a monkey in a sack could do it. In CA it is all about the money, they make it pretty easy so you are not inclined to clog up the court system.
I always thought it would be kind of cool, if everyone in the state, just for one month, drove the speed limit. The lost revenue would be staggering
Quote from: ab on June 08, 2009, 07:41:35 PM
I wondered the same too. Why was your remark/post considered offensive? It just seems that the topic of [leo] is a blasphemy. Sounds ridiculous to me frankly speaking!
We have a "no cop talk" rule around here (to go with the "no politics, no religion, no inflammatory comments" rules)
It tends to make tempers flare and it's never fair to paint any group with a broad brush. Law enforcement & speeding tickets just seems to pop up more often than most for some strange reason on this forum ;D
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on June 08, 2009, 08:20:47 PM
We have a "no cop talk" rule around here (to go with the "no politics, no religion, no inflammatory comments" rules)
It tends to make tempers flare and it's never fair to paint any group with a broad brush. Law enforcement & speeding tickets just seems to pop up more often than most for some strange reason on this forum ;D
[bow_down]
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on June 08, 2009, 08:20:47 PM
We have a "no cop talk" rule around here (to go with the "no politics, no religion, no inflammatory comments" rules)
It tends to make tempers flare and it's never fair to paint any group with a broad brush. Law enforcement & speeding tickets just seems to pop up more often than most for some strange reason on this forum ;D
The rule came into being because of the dozen or so cops that are members (or were) of the board. The comments were offensive to us as a group and as members of the board I believe the admin (DML) decided we had as much of a right to feel comfortable here as anyone else.
I didn't think he mans post was out of line. I can't speak for all cops just for myself.
Traffic specific cops (motorcycles for instance) are more prone to write you a citation as that is their main function: traffic enforcement. And no it's not for revenue generation ( at least around here). Our captains look at reports of collisions and if there is an increase of accidents at intersections due to someone running a red light they tell us to write more red light tickets. If I am monitoring a red light for those type of violations due to that direction your chance of getting out of the citation are fairly slim.
If that's the case I'm cool with it. While I'd prefer not to shell out a few hundred bucks for the fine, the lack of points and an insurance hike are more my concern.
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on June 08, 2009, 09:55:20 AM
I've always had great luck with the three Cs
Courteous (Why be rude? The officer is just doing his job, and I was the guy doing something wrong, not him)
Contrite (Yes, I am actually sorry that I'm making the officer write a ticket)
Confess (Yes, I was doing something dumb)
+1
Quote from: somegirl on June 08, 2009, 09:59:16 PM
+1
Liar. You totally skip the 3C's and go straight to the 36C's. Total abuse.
Quote from: MrIncredible on June 08, 2009, 10:11:57 PM
Liar. You totally skip the 3C's and go straight to the 36C's. Total abuse.
Stop sexually harassing that poor lady! Oh wait, that's no lady, that's your wife. ;D
HeMan, the question was absolutely fine and in keeping with the thread. It's the editorial comments I am trying to steer away from, that's all. I should have been more clear.
And as allways, it has nothing to do with anyone being offended.
what state is your license from?
MOST states do not accept points from California.
California DOES NOT keep records of out of state violations.
I got two speeding tickets on 405 about 2 years ago on my east coast DL. I had to get my driving record for ALL states I worked in for the last 10 years (for employment purposes). So I sent the info to CA for my driving record there -- with a photocopy of my license -- the one I got the tickets on, and:
Letter came back "NO RECORDS FOUND"
Will have to doublecheck your state, but if they don't accept CA points, then just pay the ticket, wait a little while, then get the CA DL.
I tried to say that twice already but no one listens to silentbob. I'll just go back to being silent.
I was listening SilentBob... to you and Ducatizzzz. Seems like that's the way to go. I'll touch base with the MI DMV to see what their policy is and probably just pay off the fine without worrying about it. Makes me happy I kept my old license!
Quote from: silentbob on June 09, 2009, 08:20:16 AM
I tried to say that twice already but no one listens to silentbob. I'll just go back to being silent.
Uhh, you can't even convince DMV your stolen bike is stolen. Why would we go to you for DMV license advice? [laugh]
Quote from: hbliam on June 09, 2009, 10:16:34 AM
Uhh, you can't even convince DMV your stolen bike is stolen. Why would we go to you for DMV license advice? [laugh]
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