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Title: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on June 12, 2009, 05:27:41 AM
i noticed my tail light was burned out a few weeks back, and went to autozone to find a close replacement (don't have the bulb part # in front of me) and after popping it in, thought i was good to go.  but a few days later i noticed my tail light was out again... brake light was still fine though.  so, thinking it was just the incorrect bulb to be using, i stopped by my ducati dealer, and picked up the OEM ducati bulb.  popped it in and again everything looked fine.  last night after dinner, i went to start up the bike and once again noticed that the tail light was non operational, but the brake light was fine.

so what gives?  what is causing my tail light filament to keep blowing like this?  someone last night suggested a bad regulator... but before i order up $110 part from ca-cycleworks, i wanted to get other opinions.  it's worth noting that all blinkers work just fine (LED), as does high and low beam headlight.  the bike does have a scorpio alarm system...but it's plugged directly into the wiring.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: ducpainter on June 12, 2009, 05:43:52 AM
Have you chopped the tail?

It sounds like a vibration issue to me.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: herm on June 12, 2009, 06:16:57 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2009, 05:43:52 AM
Have you chopped the tail?

It sounds like a vibration issue to me.

+1 on this. i have had this happen to me on several occasions, and i think it is due to the tail chop and vibration (maybe caused by bumpy roads, etc...)

my solution was to install an LED tail light.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on June 12, 2009, 06:19:57 AM
i have indeed chopped the tail...  i would have thought that wouldn't make any difference though, since you're not moving the light around, just chopping off a little tubing...  i don't have any ambitions to go to an LED setup, so i really hope that's not the cause...   :-\
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: ducpainter on June 12, 2009, 06:31:56 AM
Quote from: ♣ McKraut ♣ on June 12, 2009, 06:19:57 AM
i have indeed chopped the tail...  i would have thought that wouldn't make any difference though, since you're not moving the light around, just chopping off a little tubing...  i don't have any ambitions to go to an LED setup, so i really hope that's not the cause...   :-\
If you are using the stock mounting then it shouldn't be an issue.

I don't think it's a regulator because the excess voltage would overcharge the battery and cook it also.

I suppose a loose connection could be causing a voltage spike, but I'd check to make sure everything is tight.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: Howie on June 12, 2009, 06:34:10 AM
Tail chops will shorten bulb life.  Unless you see the filament is broken, check the filament with an ohmmeter.  Another common problem is the copper tab that touches the bulb looses contact.  A 2057 may last a little longer at the expense of a slightly dimmer tail light.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: Porsche Monkey on June 13, 2009, 11:52:30 AM
Its caused by excessive vibration. The factory beer tray acts as a vibration damper. I had this same problem and it went away when I relocated my license plate using the tail light mounts. Or you could just get an led tail light.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: aaronb on June 13, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
the life of tail light bulbs could be measured in hours on my old enduro due to vibration, i picked up an led 'bulb' at the local autoparts store (in the 'fast and the furious' isle).  had no problems for the rest of the summer before selling the bike. 

(http://media.digikey.com/photos/Sunbrite%20Photos/SSP-1157B15912,SSP-1157B153S12.jpg)
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: DucHead on June 13, 2009, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: Ducaholic on June 13, 2009, 11:52:30 AM
Its caused by excessive vibration. The factory beer tray acts as a vibration damper. I had this same problem and it went away when I relocated my license plate using the tail light mounts. Or you could just get an led tail light.

ding ding ding!
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: caboteria on June 13, 2009, 04:52:55 PM
I had this problem and it turned out that my "ghetto chop" left about 1/8" of space between the tail light lens and the bottom of the seat so the lens was free to shake.  I just bent the brackets up a bit so that the seat pushes down on the lens and it's been fine since.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: corndog67 on June 13, 2009, 09:00:28 PM
I'm not sure if the Ducs use a standard automotive 1157, but the cure for my old Bonneville was to use a 1257, which is a heavier duty version.  They would last 3 months instead of 1. 
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: caperix on June 14, 2009, 02:09:01 PM
The factory bulb on mine had some sort of support in the middle to help with vibrations.  When the factory one gave up I tried auto parts store long line bulbs, but could only get about a week out of them before the vibration killed them.
If you got one at the Ducati dealer it should have been the same style as the factory one & I am surprised that it did not last longer.
I am going to have to agree with every one else, LED is the way to go to avoid failure.  Clear alternatives makes a nice kit, the integrator is a good thing depending on what you did with your signals after the tail chop.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: Howie on June 14, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: caperix on June 14, 2009, 02:09:01 PM
The factory bulb on mine had some sort of support in the middle to help with vibrations.  When the factory one gave up I tried auto parts store long line bulbs, but could only get about a week out of them before the vibration killed them.
If you got one at the Ducati dealer it should have been the same style as the factory one & I am surprised that it did not last longer.
I am going to have to agree with every one else, LED is the way to go to avoid failure.  Clear alternatives makes a nice kit, the integrator is a good thing depending on what you did with your signals after the tail chop.

My bike came with one of them too.  It lasted about 6 years and over 40K miles, though it was getting pretty dim from all the tungsten deposits on the glass.  Good luck finding another one.
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on July 27, 2009, 04:05:05 AM
well, i've been running the LED bulb (pictured above) for just a few days now, and so far so good...  i don't think it's as "bright" as the incandescent bulb...as in it doesn't seem to "fill" the space inside the plastic all around as good, but from directly behind it's plenty bright i think.  i went with the 1157 version... little on the expensive side (about $17 for a pair of them) but for now at least, it looks like my problem is fixed!
Title: Re: electrical Q: tail light bulb keeps burning out
Post by: DarkStaR on July 27, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
I use one of these, expensive (I got it for free though), and brighter than the standard bulb:
(http://www.carbeyondstore.com/images/products/PUT-237443-360-03(2).jpg)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Red-360-LED-1157-Bulbs-Direct-Replacement-Bulb-Pair_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem5633b71265QQitemZ370234823269QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_2769wt_1186 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Red-360-LED-1157-Bulbs-Direct-Replacement-Bulb-Pair_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem5633b71265QQitemZ370234823269QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_2769wt_1186)