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Title: Tires and Brake Pads: Longevity
Post by: Monster Dave on June 12, 2009, 08:02:02 AM
So I'm just curious to see how other riders and bikes compare for wear and tear of tires and breaks. I know that weight and displacement make a significant difference as does riding technique. However, I've gotten an amazing amount of longevity out of my parts and am pretty amazed.

Bike: 2003 Monster 620.
Tire mileage: 17,000 miles - Pilot Roads.
Break Pads (Front and Rear): +25,000 miles and counting.

How do you guys compare? What's the best you've gotten out of yours?


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: Buckethead on June 12, 2009, 08:27:58 AM
When something suddenly goes from being 1 piece to multiple pieces, it breaks.

The things you use to stop your bike? Brakes.

Just sayin.  ;)

Also,

Bike - '06 Sport 1000
Tires - stock Pirelli Phantoms. I got 6600 out of the rear, and about another 1000 out of the front. Could have gotten a little more out of the front, but it was cupped pretty badly.
Brakes - 8500 miles and counting.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: Speeddog on June 12, 2009, 09:28:09 AM
On the dual front disc bikes, the pads will last a *long* time.
I'd guess an average rider could get 40k out of 'em.
I've done ~100 bike services in the past year, and I've had one new set of front pads in stock the whole time...still got 'em.  :-\

I'm at about 32k miles on my bike, 3rd set of pads, including the originals.
I replaced the OEM ones, 'cause I didn't like 'em.
Then I changed calipers, so another new set.
None of 'em are close to worn out at all.

Rear pad life depends very much on the rider, I go through 'em in about 10k miles, but I use the rear brake a good bit.
Some folks, they'll last forever.
Others, 7k miles and they're done.
I've seen a bike with one rear pad worn halfway through through the *backing plate*.  :o

Tires?
I've probably averaged 5k miles or so per set.
Rears worn out, fronts worn 'triangular' enough that the handling gets spooky.
Other than a set of Pilot Sports years ago, they've all been Diablos, other than the OEM Dragon Evos.



Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: He Man on June 12, 2009, 10:06:05 AM
my rear pad was toast at 9,000 miles. my front pads are half gone at 11,000. they suck pretty bad, i have a replaceset of Ferodo Platniums sitting on my table, i just havent gotten aroudn to install them.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: DCXCV on June 12, 2009, 10:24:11 AM
Bike: M695
Front Pads: 27.5k - just replaced them when I did a fork swap.  They had nothing left, but then I weigh more than most 6xx riders at 195
Tires: 17k out of my first front, about 8-9k on rears. On 2nd front/4th rear.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: Monster Dave on June 12, 2009, 12:34:01 PM
It's interesting that the numbers tend to be all over the place. Every time I have service done I have them check my brake pads for me, but surprisingly they always say "plenty left, they still look new!" Amazing! I'm pretty easy on the brakes anyway, I tend to make the most of engine breaking since most of my riding is city.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: rockaduc on June 12, 2009, 02:06:50 PM
The stock issue Pirelli Diablos needed replacing at 9k miles, replaced my front pads when I converted to 4 piston calipers over the winter (stockers still had plenty of life left in 'em), rear pads still OEM issue w/ 14k miles om 'em.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: ScottRNelson on June 12, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
Bike: 2003 Monster 620.
Tire mileage: 17,000 miles - Pilot Roads.
Either M620s are way wimpier than I thought, or you're not having enough fun on that bike.  Or maybe the roads where you live don't wear tires as much as the ones around here.

I've never been able to go more than 4000 miles without wearing a rear tire down to the wear bars.  I used to get about 6000 miles from a front, but lately I just replace them both at the same time instead.

For rear brake pads, I get somewhere between 10K and 20K from them.  Fronts last quite a bit longer, but they have four times the surface area too.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: Monster Dave on June 12, 2009, 02:20:49 PM
Either M620s are way wimpier than I thought, or you're not having enough fun on that bike.  Or maybe the roads where you live don't wear tires as much as the ones around here.

I've never been able to go more than 4000 miles without wearing a rear tire down to the wear bars.  I used to get about 6000 miles from a front, but lately I just replace them both at the same time instead.

For rear brake pads, I get somewhere between 10K and 20K from them.  Fronts last quite a bit longer, but they have four times the surface area too.

It's all flat rubberized asphalt out here in the desert. I know that I've pushed my Monster to the limit (at least its own limit), so I have just been considering myself fortunate up to this point. I even did a track day on my Pilot Roads!! LOL, that was fun!!! Took some time to get the left and right side of the tread to match again (the track was all right turns!!!).  [cheeky]


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: corndog67 on June 12, 2009, 07:16:26 PM
I replaced the rear tire of my S4 about 300 miles after I bought it.   I've put about 2000 on it, and it's over half gone.   On nearly every large street bike I've owned, I usually get about 3000 out of a rear with any sort of street oriented compound, maybe 5000 out of a front, if it's a soft/sport/race compound, maybe 2000 for a rear, and about 4000 for a front.   

Brake pads vary.   I prefer the soft organic compounds, I'd rather replace pads than rotors, the semi metallic ones seem to score the rotors pretty good, the organics last less than 15,000, sometimes way less.   I very seldom use the rear brake, I hardly ever replace the rear pads. 


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: somegirl on June 12, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
My stock tires on my 695 lasted for 10k miles including 3 track days.  Actually they still had plenty of tread left, but I replaced them because they were squaring off.

My Pilot Road 2CTs are now also at 10K miles (no track days but plenty of twisties) and still doing great.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on June 13, 2009, 04:11:43 PM
I suspect rider weight may play a factor, given that you weigh all of 80 lbs.  :P


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: sbrguy on June 13, 2009, 11:09:27 PM
2003 620

rear brakes every 6-6.5k miles
fronts never
tires pilot powers, front and back lasted around 7500 miles, rear was squared off, the front was down to wear bars, wouldnt' want to go that far again really.

i use my rear brakes a lot in slow parking lot maneuvers and slow speed stuff.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: Monster Dave on June 15, 2009, 08:13:31 AM
I use a LOT of engine breaking around town so I'm sure that plays a lot into the longevity of my break pads.


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: ScottRNelson on June 15, 2009, 08:40:07 AM
I use a LOT of engine breaking around town so I'm sure that plays a lot into the longevity of my break pads.
But how do your brake pads hold up?  ???


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: red baron on June 15, 2009, 11:29:57 AM
Bike: 200s S2R 1000.
Tire mileage: 3500 on each rear 7-8000 on each front- Pilot powers. The stock OEM Bridgestones lasted 2500k.
Break Pads (Front and Rear): +13,000miles and counting. No visible wear other than the dust on my wheels.



Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: BumpaD_Z28 on June 15, 2009, 11:37:52 AM
I just replaced my rear brake pads at ~17k ... I think the ones on there (worn) were stock !!!

~DaVe


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: the_Journeyman on June 15, 2009, 11:44:13 AM
I've got 18,000 on my M750 front pads.

Tires?  I beat them pretty badly 5kish on Diablos. 

JM


Title: Re: Tires and Break Pads: Longevity
Post by: Monster Dave on June 15, 2009, 11:51:24 AM
But how do your brake pads hold up?  ???

Edit - that's brake pads!!!


Title: Re: Tires and Brake Pads: Longevity
Post by: Desmo Demon on June 15, 2009, 01:08:59 PM
Monster - Hadn't had it long enough to make a determination. Bought the bike used and the OEM pads are still on the bike at 14k miles. I'm estimating that since we take it easier with that bike, tires should last in the 3000-4000 range.

ST2 -  Had 32k on the original front brake pads and I eat up a set of tires in 2000-3000 miles. Replacement EBC HH pads look like they will only last about 18k-22k miles.

748 - Two sets of pads assigned to specific rotors with two different front wheels (I swap them as sets). 18k miles between the two sets of pads and tires are gone in 2000-3000 miles.

I have yet to replace a set of rear brake pads, but the ST2 is pretty close at 46k miles.



Title: Re: Tires and Brake Pads: Longevity
Post by: DucHead on June 15, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
...I've never been able to go more than 4000 miles without wearing a rear tire down to the wear bars...

Jeezus, 4000 miles from a rear tire?  I'd go broke replacing two rear tires every four months.  Maybe your tire pressure is too low.

I run Pilot Road 2s on both bikes, and I get about 12k miles from a rear and more from a front.

Brake pads...about 35k miles on the Bandit.  I dunno about the Monster.  I swapped out the OEM pads when I replaced the OEM rotors for Galfer Waves.


Title: Re: Tires and Brake Pads: Longevity
Post by: ScottRNelson on June 15, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
Jeez, 4000 miles from a rear tire?  I'd go broke replacing two rear tires every four months.  Maybe your tire pressure is too low.
At the recommendation of people on the Yahoo ST2_owners list I ran a set of Avon Azaro sport touring tires at 42 rear and 38 front throughout the life of the tires.  They had claimed that the Avons lasted quite a bit longer than others.  That rear tire was history at 4000 miles just like the other brands.  Do you think the pressure might have been too low?

I do a lot of stop and go riding and I'm never gentle on the throttle.  It's rare that I'll go even a mile at a steady pace, so I'm always accelerating or braking.  To me it's worth the price.


Title: Re: Tires and Brake Pads: Longevity
Post by: DucHead on June 15, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
At the recommendation of people on the Yahoo ST2_owners list I ran a set of Avon Azaro sport touring tires at 42 rear and 38 front throughout the life of the tires.  They had claimed that the Avons lasted quite a bit longer than others.  That rear tire was history at 4000 miles just like the other brands.  Do you think the pressure might have been too low?

I do a lot of stop and go riding and I'm never gentle on the throttle.  It's rare that I'll go even a mile at a steady pace, so I'm always accelerating or braking.  To me it's worth the price.

Hmmm...my guess is that the difference is due to my wimpy riding and superslab commuting/trips compared to your more aggressive riding on curvy CA roads.    :)


Title: Re: Tires and Brake Pads: Longevity
Post by: skurvy on June 15, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
2006 S2R
1st set of Pilot Powers - 10,700
2nd set of Pilot Powers - 11,800+
3rd set will be Pilot Powers -
tire pressures: F=32, R=34

Brakes - stocks changed at 12,000
replaced with Ferodo Platinums - 10,500+

I was going to try the Pilot Road 2CTs but got the PP2CTs for cheaper. The PP2CTs were only $20 more than the regular Pilot Powers for the set, so I figured I'd give them a shot.

**edit/update** The place I ordered tires from sent me the regular Pilot Powers instead of the 2CTs. I'll just stick with what I know for now.
 


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