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With all the attention Michael has gotten since his death and being called the " King of Pop ."

I felt the Beatles have been sort of forgotten with all the hoop la.

Here's your chance to vindicate the Beatles or not.                 Dolph

There should also be options for Woody Guthrie and Boobies.

I'd go w/ Woody.

Can we add a "you're kidding me..." to the poll?  ;D

If the question was centered around being pop culture (not music) phenomena, I think it would be closer, but we're talking about Usher and, like... Usher being the artists openly biting on MJ.  There are hundreds, if not thousands of rock bands that make their living sounding like the Beatles.
Jackson was a great performer, singer, dancer and media lightning rod.  The Beatles were great musicians and songwriters.

Nearly every major artist in nearly every genre from country to metal cite The Beatles as a major influence. Jackson influenced a LOT of people and integrated rock and motown in a new a fresh way, but he in no way came close to the influence of the boys from Liverpool.

Yeah, sorry, this poll is a gimme. Well, except for I guess the 2 people who have voted for MJ...

Beatles, easy.

well, if you consider people that were influenced by people that were influenced by the beatles, i suppose you could say the old guys from liverpool.

however, you could easily make a very strong argument that MJ has had more of an influence on modern pop music.

Quote from: derby on July 02, 2009, 07:16:04 AM
however, you could easily make a very strong argument that MJ has had more of an influence on modern pop music.

I look forward to hearing that argument :)   Lemme ask - do you think MJ was influenced by the Beatles?  How about the Jackson 5?

Quote from: il d00d on July 02, 2009, 07:34:36 AM
I look forward to hearing that argument :)   Lemme ask - do you think MJ was influenced by the Beatles?  How about the Jackson 5?

i think i covered that in my original point.

however, i think it's quite possible that current pop music has been directly influenced more by mj than it has by the beatles.

(i don't think a lot of these teeny bopper, top 40, r&b, kids are listening to a bunch of 60s music)

Quote from: il d00d on July 02, 2009, 07:34:36 AM
I look forward to hearing that argument :)   Lemme ask - do you think MJ was influenced by the Beatles?  How about the Jackson 5?

Well ...

There had to be a reason for MJ to invest in the Sony catalog ...

;D

Quote from: gojira on July 02, 2009, 08:15:03 AM
Well ...

There had to be a reason for MJ to invest in the Sony catalog ...

;D

yeah.. brilliant financial advisors.  ;D

I am not sure I follow - you are saying MJ was one of the people influencing more modern music who was influenced by the Beatles?

Roots of modern tween music probably go waaay back to Nsync and Backstreet Boys.  New Kids on the Block were probably the primordial ooze from which the likes of Miley Cyrus or whoever Disney is putting on the corner evolved.  Also, the teenyboppers of the 60s probably didn't listen to the Beatles after about 65 or so.  I am saying that is a type of music that exists outside the influence of many bands - they are not really influenced by anything that doesn't appeal directly to pubescent girls.  Trendy haircuts are probably more influential to tween bands than the Beatles or Michael Jackson.

As for the slightly older crowd, I watch American Idol (mostly against my will) and hear 16-year-olds speak reverently about Elton John and Marvin Gaye, so I am not sure that the 60s have been totally forgotten.  But it is something that I have wondered about.

Anecdotally, we have things like this to support the case for the Beatles:
http://search.hottopic.com/clothing/Beatles (http://search.hottopic.com/clothing/Beatles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles%27_influence_on_popular_culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles%27_influence_on_popular_culture)

Also go to any musician wanted/available board and search for "Beatles" - compare that to the search for "Michael Jackson" :)

why compare beatles and MJ?
strange makes no sense.

on modern - new wave music using synths and drum machines
for old people yea I guess the beatles.

Boy Bands go back further. New Edition was kind of similar to MJ. I'd have to agree that much of the POPULAR music on the radio today has more to do with MJ than Beatles. Now whether that's a good thing is another discussion entirely. I truly believe that MJ (not single handedly) ruined music by turning it into a visual medium. The fact that so many pop stars lip sync their live shows and no one cares kinda backs that up.

EDIT: I just saw 2 MJ threads locked AFTER I posted this. I don't want to restart arguments in progress. MJ was NOT ALONE in making audio secondary in music, he was part of a movement.

Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on July 02, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
for old people yea I guess the beatles.

Dude, I'm one year older than you and I grew up on the Beatles. My wife was born in 1980 and she's a bigger fan than me...

Quote from: redxblack on July 01, 2009, 10:17:46 PM
There should also be options for Woody Guthrie and Boobies.

While I disagree that Woody has had more of an influence on popular music than the Beatles, there can be absolutely no question whatsoever that boobies have been the primary driving force behind most musicians' desire to perform since the beginning of time. MJ may actually be a major exception here.

A bit off-topic:

You know you're old when your kid says "Hey, dad - did you know Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?"

You know you're really old when your kid says "Hey, dad - did you know Paul McCartney was in a band?"

You know you're truly ancient when your kid asks "Hey, dad - who is Paul McCartney?"

My 14 year-old is a major fan. My 47 y/o wife doesn't like them at all. I think it's more of a taste thing than an age thing (my kid has musical taste, my wife not so much.)

Quote from: NAKID on July 02, 2009, 10:57:12 AM
Dude, I'm one year older than you and I grew up on the Beatles. My wife was born in 1980 and she's a bigger fan than me...

dont get me wrong I love the beatles but they have no impact on anything 1980 and up. c'mon now.
its cute/fun music for its time but thats about it. no impact on todays popular music.

madonna, U2, Nirvana, pearl jam - they have had more of an impact on popular music rock and pop.
surely not the beatles

Regardless of this poll, the fact still stands that Thriller is the best selling album in history.

Quote from: Monster Dave on July 02, 2009, 11:23:42 AM
Regardless of this poll, the fact still stands that Thriller is the best selling album in history.

and no band/singer will ever come close.

michael jackson isn't a band, but he did collaborate on a single with a beatle.

also, could you give it a rest already? It's cool you like(d) the guy, but it's getting to be a one note horn. It's not that big if a deal except that one note is constantly tooting.

Quote from: redxblack on July 02, 2009, 11:38:14 AM
michael jackson did collaborate on a single with a beatle.

and its still a great track.

Say. Say. Say  -  Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson (RIP) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gWvBXS2t4A#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Quote from: That Nice Guy Beck! on July 02, 2009, 11:20:52 AM
dont get me wrong I love the beatles but they have no impact on anything 1980 and up. c'mon now.
its cute/fun music for its time but thats about it. no impact on todays popular music.

You kinda discredit yourself by saying that, so I can't help but feel you are lashing out a bit, Beck.  I think you need a hug.  And a vintage Pepsi.

We're the Pepsi gen-er-a-tion heee hee!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain#Musical_influences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain#Musical_influences)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Vedder#Musical_style_and_influences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Vedder#Musical_style_and_influences) (note the Jackson 5 influence)
I would find something for Madonna, but it is widely believed that Madonna was strongly influenced by Madonna before Madonna was popular.

Bono on the Beatles
Bono on the Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j5ovloiWqY#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Quote from: il d00d on July 02, 2009, 11:50:22 AM
You kinda discredit yourself by saying that, so I can't help but feel you are lashing out a bit, Beck.  I think you need a hug.  And a vintage Pepsi.

We're the Pepsi gen-er-a-tion heee hee!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain#Musical_influences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain#Musical_influences)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Vedder#Musical_style_and_influences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Vedder#Musical_style_and_influences) (note the Jackson 5 influence)
I would find something for Madonna, but it is widely believed that Madonna was strongly influenced by Madonna before Madonna was popular.

Bono on the Beatles
Bono on the Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j5ovloiWqY#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

lol [drink]

I grew up listening to MJ back starting late 70's when i was 5th grade.   [thumbsup] for MJ.  RIP.

As for Beetles, I like a few songs but not really my thing.

I grew up with the Beatles starting in 1964.

Before that everything was just " poppy " as far as Popular music i.e. Top 40 ( what you heard on the radio ) .

After the Beatles there were all kinds of bands from Great Britian like the Rolling Stones mainly but it spanned all the bands that sprung up in the USA like the Beach Boys , Beau Brummels, Knickerbockers , Vogues, Loving Spoonful, more than I can type here . Then all the bands like Credence Clearwater Revival , Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, The Byrds, Mountain ,Grand Funk Railroad, Boston, Allman Brothers, Cream, Traffic, Who, Them, Deep Purple, Kinks, The Animals, Mommas and Papas, Traffic, C,S,N,and Young. Santana, Ten Years After, Jethro Tull, Uriah Heep, Jerry and the Pacemakers , The Dave Clark 5 , ELO, Fleetwood Mac,  The Yardbirds . Led Zeppelin, and on and on , and on.

I think what the Beatles gave "POP " music is...... melody !

My question would be then, who changed " POP " music more .The Beatles in the less than 10 years they were together and all the Bands they spanned in Great Britain of which I've only mentioned a small number , same here in the US, just a small number mentioned.

Now MJ, you be the judge.                            Dolph

The Beatles come to town - RARE 1963 (color) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I91CFOCp04#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)