Got thinking about what ducpainter says about his compressor that has last him some time...im gonna drop the coinage on a 2 stage compressor. Gonna run the 220v outlet sometime this week.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=55995 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=55995)
fits the budget. Good brand (right?). Would cost me $700 after shipping. Can't find it at home depot or lowes or anywhere. This is reconditioned though. Any issues with that? Is there anyone in the tool biz that can help me find a better deal? I'm up for other brands as well just $700 is kind of my, holy shit how much extra do you need? cap limit. Originally I was going to pick up a $500 single stage, but for the efficency of a two stage, the $200 is worth the extra moola.
How about Northern tools? ive not had a good experience with them though. I picked up a pipe threader, and had to return 4 of them. Each one had its own problem. Over heated motor after ~1 min of use. Over heating wire after 5 seconds of use, made a horrible death noise when turned on, and one of them just plain out wouldnt start. I ended up getting a full refund, and they got some guy to pick it up, so their customer service is top notch. Free shipping too (thing weighed ~300lbs!!!)
I have a craftsmam upright similar.
Does me good. I bought it used on eBay for $200.
Search local and you should be able to find something in good shape.
ah i forgot about ebay...
Cant find any 2 stages in my area on CL. :(
I bought a Camp Hausfield (Sp) years ago and it's used ALL THE TIME!
I bought mine at Sears
Quote from: He Man on July 05, 2009, 10:05:37 AM
Got thinking about what ducpainter says about his compressor that has last him some time...im gonna drop the coinage on a 2 stage compressor. Gonna run the 220v outlet sometime this week.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=55995 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=55995)
fits the budget. Good brand (right?). Would cost me $700 after shipping. Can't find it at home depot or lowes or anywhere. This is reconditioned though. Any issues with that? Is there anyone in the tool biz that can help me find a better deal? I'm up for other brands as well just $700 is kind of my, holy shit how much extra do you need? cap limit. Originally I was going to pick up a $500 single stage, but for the efficency of a two stage, the $200 is worth the extra moola.
How about Northern tools? ive not had a good experience with them though. I picked up a pipe threader, and had to return 4 of them. Each one had its own problem. Over heated motor after ~1 min of use. Over heating wire after 5 seconds of use, made a horrible death noise when turned on, and one of them just plain out wouldnt start. I ended up getting a full refund, and they got some guy to pick it up, so their customer service is top notch. Free shipping too (thing weighed ~300lbs!!!)
With the use you'll give it it will last forever.
There are better brands, but CH is a well known brand.
I don't think you'll regret it.
As long as theres no problems with a reconditioned one!
Quote from: He Man on July 05, 2009, 02:21:30 PM
As long as theres no problems with a reconditioned one!
It really depends on what they did/did not do to 'recondition' it.
What's the warranty?
Harbor freight only had 90 day warranty on it. so i didnt buy it. However, i have been working a few weekend jobs.
So now im looking to spend around $1200 for a new compressor. New ideas? its +500 to my orignal $700 budget. :p
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400059748251&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr8_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=400060578477&itemcount=8&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DDR%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DSI%252BISS%252BUCI%26otn%3D8 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400059748251&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr8_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=400060578477&itemcount=8&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DDR%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DSI%252BISS%252BUCI%26otn%3D8)
saw that, but cant figure out the shipping.... however, 40amps on a single phase 220 :o. 5 year bumper to bumper warranty!!!
Anyone know if I could run a 3 phase from a residential box? Ive only tinkered with 3 phase while working at the hospital, and redoing wires in restaurant air conditioners....is it possible to install a 3 phase from the main box in house? IIRC, the boxes ive seen all just had leads.
also saw this used thing its in NJ, about an hour away. just throw it in the back of the van and bring it home! would save a lot of money, but i have no idea about the brand.
http://cgi.ebay.com/5-HP-Campbell-Hausefeld-Industrial-Air-Compressor_W0QQitemZ160346518049QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Air_Compressors?hash=item255565b221&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/5-HP-Campbell-Hausefeld-Industrial-Air-Compressor_W0QQitemZ160346518049QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Air_Compressors?hash=item255565b221&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1)|66%3A2|39%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
You can get a phase converter to go from single to 3 phase.
40 amps is a lot for a 5 hp motor
I had a Campbell Hausfeld portable compressor for about five years til someone broke into our van and stole it.
We used it to run nailguns, sometimes for 8-10 hours a day and never had a problem with it.
If you can find one, an upright compressor will take up less space in your shop, but is harder to move. The moving probably doesn't concern you, since your not going to be able to just plug it into any regular house outlet anyway, so it's not like you can carry it to a buddys garage for wrenching or spraying.
What do you think you'll use it for most often?
It might be worth a call to your local utility to see if it's practical to connect 3 phase power - you never know. In my case they wanted $30k!! If you have 220 V service, you can connect a phase converter. There are several types. Static phase converters are simple and relatively inexpensive, but you lose 1/3 of your rated HP, probably not good for a compressor. Rotary converters require a separate motor that spins up and are more expensive. You can also use variable frequency drives (VFD) as single phase to three phase converters, but 5 HP may be at the upper end of the range, and expensive, for using them for phase converters.
It seems to me, not knowing your big picture, that a three phase compressor and the added complication and expense of a phase converter isn't the best solution. Later, when you're out of school and maybe buy a place you can spend the money for three phase power or a phase converter.
You can get single phase compressors with reasonable capacity. I'm still also convinced that with patience you should be able to find a good used one for cheap on Craigslist :). I've been using a single phase 5 HP compressor for about 10 years and it works fine. I paint with it and use sanders and do some sandblasting with it without a problem.
QuoteHarbor freight only had 90 day warranty on it. so i didnt buy it. However, i have been working a few weekend jobs.
What's going to go wrong with it with occasional use? Personally I wouldn't worry about the warranty - if it lasts 90 days it will probably last 20 years.
The most likely area for a problem is the motor. If it's made in USA or Taiwan or assembled in Mexico it should not be a problem. Other likely problem areas such as switches are easily and cheaply fixed.
I didnt know there was such a thing as phase converters, i have a bunch of 220v equipment in my garage. mostly torn out from work sites that threw them away. ill see if a phase converter pops up, i might get lucky. ill need to google an image of it though.
ive been hunting on CL for the past month and have not seen one two stage for sale. im only searching within 50miles of nyc, anymore and its not worth it.
I plan on doing some pretty heavy sand blasting intially. i have three four story brick buildings that i want to blast, but other then that, its mostly for soda blasting. everything else ill be donig will be light duty such as air tools. I just want a compressor that will be the last one i ever buy. The campbell hausfeld one on HF is sold out, thye get it back in stock every few weeks....a new one woudl cost around $900 bucks, but at that price why wouldnt i go for the eaton one, they sound like a much better brand.
The Eaton one DOES run on single phase 220v just to be clear. Electricity is most expensive in NYC then any other location in the US IIRC, at the location it will be hooked up, its about 36 cents per kWH, sometimes 40, sometimes 33ish. that doesnt include taxes.
I just looked at my breaker, i have a two 40amp 110vs comming up, anotehr 40amp two pole breaker is alot! How many amps do most 2 stages take anyway?
You usually can't get 3 phase in a residential area, at least in CA. I have a phase converter, 7 1/2 hp to run a milling machine and lathe, a bit less than $1000. Plus the electrician to make sure my garage didn't catch fire.
I have a 33 Gal., 6 hp Sears Craftsman single stage, single phase compressor, close out, for about $280 I believe, I bought that one because Sears will back up anything that goes wrong with it.
Personally, I would stay away from the Chinese made stuff. My last compressor was a Master Power from Costco, made in North Carolina, but it was stolen when I moved into this piece of crap city I live in. No problems ever with it.
QuoteI plan on doing some pretty heavy sand blasting intially. i have three four story brick buildings that i want to blast, but other then that, its mostly for soda blasting. everything else ill be donig will be light duty such as air tools. I just want a compressor that will be the last one i ever buy.
He Man, I just have to do a reality check on this-you want to sandblast three 4 storey brick buildings? You're planning on using a 5 HP compressor to sandblast buildings with? You better pack a lunch because it's gonna be a long day :) A 5 HP compressor, whether it's one or two stages is going to put out about 14 cfm at say 90 psi. For sandblasting buildings in a reasonable amount of time you need a cfm rating in the hundreds of cfm. Maybe a 100 HP engine or more. You
can sandblast buildings with a 5 HP compressor but it will take a long long time, like painting those buildings with a toothbrush. Sandblasting buildings, soda blasting parts, and running small air tools with the same compressor is kind of like racing in the Paris Dakar and MotoGP with the same bike. They're two completely different applications.
You're probably time and money ahead just renting a large sandblasting rig for the buildings and forget about doing them with a 5 HP compressor. Unless you have no other priorities and your time is worth absolutely nothing, which I don't think is the case.
if i get the eaton one it ll be fine. the HF sand blaster im looking at is 6-25cfm @ 100psi. the eaton spits out 20cfm at 100psi and has a continous duty mode. :D
the 4 story building.... its a NYC apartment building, your not doing more than a 20x50feet face thats including the area of the windows. ive seen the guys do the near by buildings with ~20hp gas powered one, not much bigger than the 25 gallon ones in about 5 hours from start to finish.
its not like im blasting paint off the brick, its just cleaning the nyc smog. If you were blasting paint of a brick wall, yea im going to agree with you, ive seen this dude blast a 4 story buliding on a corner (2 faces, each face probbaly twice the size of the one i plan on shooting), and theyve been working at it with a truck sized compressor for 4 days before they finished. it had about 1/2 inch of paint on it!!!
im crazy, but i aint crazy enough to waste my time doing someting way over my head. The quote i got on cleaning the face of the building was $4,000 dollars. yea i think splitting the job on a 5hp continous duty compressor into two days is worth my time. Plus i can finnaly get the make the beast with two backsing graffti of my the side of this dudes house...which is actually the wall that is adjacent to my garage. the graffiti removal guys want $1500 bucks to soda blast it off!!!! and i dont mind if it was artful grafftii but it looks like shit. its just covered with grout but you can still see it since the grout is a differnt color.
man im thinking of all the things i can clean. LOL
OK, I'd just assumed you were removing paint. Sounds like just cleaning the brick is a LOT easier. But, for cleaning, wouldn't a good pressure washer work well, and be less of an environmental mess than a sandblast? (don't mean to be continually second-guessing your efforts, just askin...)
Quote from: He Man on July 11, 2009, 04:42:43 PM
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I just looked at my breaker, i have a two 40amp 110vs comming up, anotehr 40amp two pole breaker is alot! How many amps do most 2 stages take anyway?
Both my single stage and my two stage had 5 hp motors that used 21.9 fl amps. That requires a 30 amp breaker.
This thread is uselees without pics. [popcorn]
Quote from: Langanobob on July 12, 2009, 12:43:42 AM
OK, I'd just assumed you were removing paint. Sounds like just cleaning the brick is a LOT easier. But, for cleaning, wouldn't a good pressure washer work well, and be less of an environmental mess than a sandblast? (don't mean to be continually second-guessing your efforts, just askin...)
Water could work, i would just need a pressurized water blaster + some chemicals, with a soda blaster, it doenst seem to get that much more dirty since it sprays water while it shoots the soda, removing about 50% of the powerder residue. Plus powder is 100% environmentally friendly. That means i wont get a cited for a ticket when Mr. DEP comes in his prius looking to ticket blitz. But water would be cheaper, id have to look into how effective it is at remvoing smog on brick.
21.9 amps on the motor isnt much more than an AC, thats not so bad. Ill call up eaton on monday and see waht their actual usage is. I think they require a 40amps just because of the continous duty mode. From what it seems, the compressor only takes about 100 seconds to fill up 60 gallons at 125psi. I already have a 220v single phase 6 gauge comming out to the 220v outlet. 6 gauge is good for up to 50amps i believe. so it should be fine when i do need continous duty.
I think they require 40 amps because the motor draws more than 30 on start up.
The performance of any of these relies on how it's plumbed in.
Quote from: trouble on July 12, 2009, 07:03:57 PM
The performance of any of these relies on how it's plumbed in.
He obviously knows that. :P
Quote from: painter on July 12, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
He obviously knows that. :P
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [popcorn]
Quote from: trouble on July 12, 2009, 07:03:57 PM
The performance of any of these relies on how it's plumbed in.
waht do you mean?
Quote from: painter on July 12, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
He obviously knows that. :P
another example of my overly requested simley.
;D
Quote from: trouble on July 13, 2009, 08:05:24 AM
another example of my overly requested simley.
;D
...but...
aren't you gonna answer him?
You can flip me off in person when you head east before dimby.
Quote from: He Man on July 12, 2009, 07:35:11 PM
waht do you mean?
He Man, too bad that you're isolated in NYC as I probably have everything you need for this building cleaning job, but I'm 3,000 miles away.
Regardless of whether you go with water or other media, you should practice on an inconspicuous (can't believe I spelled that right the first try :)) area first. If you get the nozzle too close, or don't keep the speed even you can easily go too deep in areas and end up with a real splotchy looking job. But probably still better looking than a smog coating.
Thanks for the heads up langanobob, i woudlnt say im isolated from nyc, your just isolated from me. ;D
i got the quote back from eaton, the motor only eats ~25-30amps when its running the 40amps is prevent it from jumping during on/off situations. but its also a whopping $350 bucks to ship :o Harbor freight only charges $75, and ive been looking at local tool shops and wholesalers, grainger, reiss and such. some of them dont carry, or have only a limited supply. I cant believe its so hard to find one locally. of all places too.
Have you tried pawn shops?
I have not, but i dont know of a pawn shop that big. most of them arent any much larger than a foodcart.
Why not Lowe's? We sell CH and the most expensive one is $799. Then again I live in CA not NY.
Edit:
They dont have it in stock in NYC. thye do have a single stage 80 gallon one, but im looking for 2 stage. :(
Ok... how much better is a two stage compared to this?
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_211720_211720 (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_211720_211720)
(free shipping)
upong further inspection...
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_290946_290946 (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_290946_290946)
How is that brand?
or this one?
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200350475_200350475 (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200350475_200350475)
and here is a competing IR one in what i assume two stage since it has a relatively high PSI rating.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318461_200318461 (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200318461_200318461)
Well, I looked around the internet for a better price and Northern Tool has it at least $50 cheaper than anyone else AND the free shipping...
yea they have free shipping on all of the IR units. it just comes to picking which one now.
however, im actually quitep issed right now. i just got a phantom parking ticket on my motorcycle.
You want two stage. It's way more better.
Phantom Parking ticket?
see nymmc
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 16, 2009, 11:17:29 AM
You want two stage. It's way more better.
got it. Im just going to take your word for it this time! $1100 is within my budget and IR seems to be a reputible brand. and the specs are excellent.. and best of all free make the beast with two backsING SHIPPING! (saves me $300 bucks!)
If I were buying a compressor from your list, for another $100 I would get the Quincy. IMHO Quincy is just plain better than I-R and if you compare the spec's they sure list a lot more information than I-R. Maybe I-R doesn't list more specifications because they don't have as much to brag about. IMHO I-R has cheapened up some of their products to try and be price competitive. I have an old I-R Type 30 myself but I'm not sure the new ones are as good. Just sayin' and don't mean to muddy the water after you seem to have already made a decision. If you get the I-R I'm sure it will be fine.
Edit: Another thing I don't like about I-R is that the first single stage compressor on your list shows 11.5 HP on the specification page. That is based on the locked rotor current and is pure BS and unethical to boot. At least Northern shows it as 5 HP on their catalog page.
Quote from: Langanobob on July 16, 2009, 12:34:11 PM
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Edit: Another thing I don't like about I-R is that the first single stage compressor on your list shows 11.5 HP on the specification page. That is based on the locked rotor current and is pure BS and unethical to boot. At least Northern shows it as 5 HP on their catalog page.
...and there is no way a single stage pump puts out 18 cfm at any usable pressure. ;)
well that one quincy compressor for 1299 seems to be stackd with goodies.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200350475_200350475 (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200350475_200350475)
if i get the maintence kit the warranty extends to 5 years limited. they dont sell the maintence kit though id have to order it from quincy directly. but i assume it is just motor and an airfilter?
stats look good to 175psi @15cfm, none of the air tools i have or will get in the future look like they need more than 90psi, this has to push out at least 20cfm at 90psi.
langanobob, can you double check to make sure i got everything good and im not just seeing double?
singel PHASE, two STAGE, 230volt 175psi 15cfm, FREE SHIPPING.
am i seeing double or is this a great buy?
Quotelanganobob, can you double check to make sure i got everything good and im not just seeing double?
DP has probably forgotten more about compressors than I'll ever know so I hope he will chime in. But, if I were in the market for a new compressor I'd be very inclined to pick the Quincy. Never heard anything bad about them and can't say that for I-R.
But it is up to you to make your own decision (had to say that so you can't come after me if the Quincy turns out to be a POS [cheeky])
yes i can. its America, i can sue you for whatever i want.
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Cant wait!
Quote from: Langanobob on July 16, 2009, 06:28:20 PM
DP has probably forgotten more about compressors than I'll ever know so I hope he will chime in. But, if I were in the market for a new compressor I'd be very inclined to pick the Quincy. Never heard anything bad about them and can't say that for I-R.
But it is up to you to make your own decision (had to say that so you can't come after me if the Quincy turns out to be a POS [cheeky])
I own a Quincy.
It's probably older than He Man and still going strong.
Good choice.
Quote from: painter on July 17, 2009, 03:14:36 AM
I own a Quincy.
It's probably older than He Man and still going strong.
Good choice.
heh im glad i picked the quincy then! Lets see who dies first. [evil]
At my current rate, i think machine will win :(