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Title: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: MetalDuc on May 20, 2008, 03:53:29 PM In keeping with the good planning of the DMF (as opposed to TOB) I think it is appropriate to update this tread for the next CSS Session.
The schedule is below but the next classes to be held at Willow Springs with be 10/25-10/28. California Superbike School 2008 USA schedule (http://www.superbikeschool.com/schedule/) Who is in this time around? In Out Previous Schools 2008: Evil_Ductator L1 10/26 aprilmaybe L1 10/25 Ivan L1 10/25 madmatt (CW 10/26) Sachica L2 10/12 MetalDuc L2 10/12 joekarati L2 10/12 SteveG L2 10/11 & L3 10/12 Tom L2 10/12 gm2 (CW 10/11 & 10/12) madmatt (CW 10/11 & 10/12) hydra L1 9/? uclabiker06 L1 9/21 Sachica L1 6/7 MetalDuc L1 6/7 SDR_John and pops 6/8 gm2 (CW 6/7 & 6/8?) madmatt (CW 6/6, 6/7) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: SteveG on May 20, 2008, 04:25:45 PM Hmm... if they have an L2 on the 8th I might consider it...
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: sqweak on May 20, 2008, 08:35:42 PM as of 6ish weeks ago l2 already had a waiting list a mile long for l2+ :-\
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: Research Monkey on May 20, 2008, 11:37:24 PM as of 6ish weeks ago l2 already had a waiting list a mile long for l2+ :-\ Thats the only thing that sucks about CSS... they run levels 2,3, and 4 in 1 group! I think i'd have to put the reservation in NOW to get a date in October! Which i will do as soon as i get my bonus! Level 4 here i come... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: joekarati on May 21, 2008, 03:55:28 AM Ok 2 Level 1 spots reserved for 6/7 at Willow [thumbsup] NICE!!!!! [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: gm2 on May 21, 2008, 09:41:22 AM Thats the only thing that sucks about CSS... they run levels 2,3, and 4 in 1 group! I think i'd have to put the reservation in NOW to get a date in October! Which i will do as soon as i get my bonus! Level 4 here i come... well, all the groups on track are about the same size at any given time.. so why does that suck? true, they sell out early. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: SDR_John on May 21, 2008, 05:04:48 PM Only had one L1 spot left for Saturday 6/7 as of this evening... >:(
Me and pops signed up for Sunday 6/8... still 4 spots left [thumbsup] [moto] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: gm2 on May 21, 2008, 05:06:40 PM i may be out there both days. not sure yet..
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: Research Monkey on May 21, 2008, 11:46:21 PM well, all the groups on track are about the same size at any given time.. so why does that suck? true, they sell out early. It sucks because there are less spots available after you take level 1. I forgot how many per group there were... but for example... group 1 would have 10 level 1 people group 2 would have 10 level 1 people group 3 would have 5 level 2 people 3 level 3 people and 2 level 4 people See what i mean? So there are less available spots? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: gm2 on May 26, 2008, 08:43:27 AM confirmed.. i'll be out there blue flaggin' everyone on the 7th and 8th
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: madmatt on May 26, 2008, 09:13:17 AM confirmed.. i'll be out there blue flaggin' everyone on the 7th and 8th I'll be there on the 6th (and maybe the 7th and 8th). Cornerworking as well. Anyone wanna trade their truck for an Audi S4 for the weekend? ;D Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: madmatt on May 27, 2008, 07:50:47 AM Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: uclabiker06 on June 02, 2008, 09:07:17 PM Just looked into California Superbike School today and it seems pretty cool. I've never done a track day so this should be a perfect intro. Can anyone who has taken level one speak on how their experience went. I was going to sign up for June at Willow but I think I am going to go with September.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 Post by: sqweak on June 02, 2008, 10:11:26 PM go read the thread about CSS on the racing board, most of us have already posted our experiences there. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 (Updated) Post by: gm2 on June 08, 2008, 08:54:07 AM ok kids, tell us how it went :)
i was in T11, so got to see josiah and courtney set up for the tight, slow 12-13-14 all day. they both got *visibly* smoother and faster through this difficult section of track. only gotta turn the bike once guys [thumbsup] we didn't get a chance to chat after but much fun to watch. [clap] as for me my rear tire disappeared about half way through the day so i spent the afternoon doing gary mccoy impersonations. totally sideways coming onto the front straight a few times. that CSS slide bike experience just paid for itself. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 (Updated) Post by: madmatt on June 08, 2008, 09:25:42 AM was there on Friday. cornerworking in 2. soooooo windy. 1 small student crash towards the end of the day, no biggie.
all in all, was fun. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 (Updated) Post by: MetalDuc on June 08, 2008, 05:05:17 PM ok kids, tell us how it went :) Ok well I am am working on a write up and damn am I a blow hard (no not that kind). I don't want to leave anybody in suspense though so here it is in a nut shell. CSS is a very well organized and run school which meets every need you can think of. Students are well taken care of both physically and mentally with food, drink encouragement and friendliness. The class sessions largely reflect the information contained in Keith's books Twist I/II. As good as the books are it comes across much better in person and you have the ability to give and receive live feedback about the concepts and techniques. If you have some riding experience under your belt you may wonder what you are getting out of this after the first couple of sessions on the track. It seems to be stuff you already know. By the end of the day though you have processed the fundamentals of riding, practiced applying it on the track made improvements and gotten both faster and smoother. My slowest lap was 2:29.12 in session 1 and my fastest was 1:54.54 in session 5. Throwing out the erroneous times in each session my average lap times per session were: Session 1 - 2:18.4 Session 2 - 2:10.5 Session 3 - 2:04.1 Session 4 - 2:02.9 Session 5 - 1:58.9 The times speak for themselves, marked improvement each time out. All while getting smoother, more relaxed and most importantly more in control. Not bad for the first time ever on a track. I was even taking it easy in Sessions 4 & 5!!! As said before this is a *HIGHLY* recommended course [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS June 6, 7 & 8 (Updated) Post by: MetalDuc on June 08, 2008, 05:36:36 PM Oh yeah, a couple of more things. The weather was just about perfect. Durring the peak heat of the day it was just into the hot range but by no means unbearable. Still had to keep on top of hydration and electrolytes but it was very nice not to have to worry about actually feeling cooked.
There were couple of crashes in my group durring different sessions. Both were by people on their own bike (ridden to the event) who happened to come together. Both were most likely cold tire crashes and pretty minor with no injuries. Bothh were able to keep riding for the rest of the day. I am actually surprised that none of the staff made a comment to people riding their own bikes to be cautious of their tires cooling between sessions. The provided bikes were in contineous use so it was less of a factor. Just something to keep in mind if you are taking your own bike. Give it a lap or two to get the tires warm. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 10, 2008, 02:56:01 PM Time to start looking at the next round of CSS. First post updated accordingly, so let's hear it if you are interested [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 10, 2008, 03:01:02 PM Quite a few of us are going to be out of the country on 9/20 ;D
How bout 10/11? I'm down for l2. Did you kids sign up already? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 10, 2008, 03:07:02 PM Not yet, but I wanted to get some advance notice going for this very reason. A Level 2 Day in October works just as well for us :)
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: gm2 on June 10, 2008, 03:25:18 PM Quite a few of us are going to be out of the country on 9/20 ;D yeah, about that.. you(r wife) will get an email today. maybe you won't be. we won't be anyway, with very good reason. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: joekarati on June 10, 2008, 03:25:37 PM I'm down for L2 and my schedule is (so far) flexible.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: SteveG on June 10, 2008, 03:31:30 PM L2, yep! By then this project will be history and I'll be able to sneak away for a change... Which day should we do this?
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: hydra on June 10, 2008, 03:57:33 PM hey folks, i think i'm going to sign up for L1 in sept. (can't wait that long to go)
but maybe i can do L2 in oct to catch up with y'all ;D did most of you use their zx-6's? and if you bring your own, do you have to use water in your radiator? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 10, 2008, 04:01:07 PM hey folks, i think i'm going to sign up for the in sept. (can't wait that long to go) did most of you use their zx-6's? and if you bring your own, do you have to use water in your radiator? I rode theirs as I think the others did so I don't know about the tech inspection. There may be some info on the website. They seemed to be pretty lax about bikes and gear though. Just remember your tires will probably get cold between sessions so take it easy for a lap or two each time you get out there. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: gm2 on June 10, 2008, 04:14:16 PM and if you bring your own, do you have to use water in your radiator? you mean WaterWetter? no, you don't. but water in your radiator is a pretty good idea. ;D Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 10, 2008, 04:17:12 PM yeah, about that.. you(r wife) will get an email today. maybe you won't be. we won't be anyway, with very good reason. just heard, sorry :( I still vote for Oct. ;) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: hydra on June 10, 2008, 08:10:02 PM you mean WaterWetter? no, you don't. but water in your radiator is a pretty good idea. ;D [laugh] yeah i didn't know what it was called. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: uclabiker06 on June 12, 2008, 01:05:12 PM I'll probably be signing up for L1 on 9/21. Does anyone know if there is a deposit required in addition to the $650 fee if you use one of there ninjas? I would think that there is just in case you drop one of their bikes.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: gm2 on June 12, 2008, 01:07:15 PM yes but it's just in the form of a CC authorization the day you get there.
sign up quick if you haven't already. they sell out fast. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: uclabiker06 on June 12, 2008, 04:35:47 PM Do they have ANY discounts at all??
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 12, 2008, 04:42:06 PM on what? tuition? not so much. You get a pretty damn cheap set of dunlops if ya want em (even if you rent a bike), and the deposit on a rented bike is only about 750...not full price.
YMMV, but for me it was worth every penny. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 17, 2008, 01:15:51 PM I have some more deatils for the October dates to help you all make up your minds. As of today the following is the list of open spots for each date.
10/11 Level 2 - 0 your bike, 10 their bikes 10/12 Level 2 - 6 your bike, 10 their bikes 10/25 & 10/26 Level 2 - Completely open If you are taking your bike as I assume most of you are it looks like 10/12 is the day we should sign up for. Sachica and I will be on theirs so our choices are a little more flexible. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: madmatt on June 17, 2008, 01:21:38 PM ... You get a pretty damn cheap set of dunlops if ya want em... what is this? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: gm2 on June 17, 2008, 01:22:22 PM what is this? just the usual student discount on tires Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: madmatt on June 17, 2008, 01:24:18 PM I think they'll sell them to you at that price just about anytime...student or not.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: gm2 on June 17, 2008, 01:32:22 PM I think they'll sell them to you at that price just about anytime...student or not. lately they have added a 'student in the last 6 months' stipulation to that deal. that's if you call and have em drop shipped (for free..). if you buy them at the track, you're right i don't think they check anything. they also have old tires or did a few months ago. "208s with the 209 profile"... which i asked sport tire what that was, they had no idea. i think they only have the 208s at css -- and a confused person on the phone. nevermind the 211s. have to wait for those to get 3 yrs old i guess. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 17, 2008, 03:14:20 PM I have some more deatils for the October dates to help you all make up your minds. As of today the following is the list of open spots for each date. 10/11 Level 2 - 0 your bike, 10 their bikes 10/12 Level 2 - 6 your bike, 10 their bikes 10/25 & 10/26 Level 2 - Completely open If you are taking your bike as I assume most of you are it looks like 10/12 is the day we should sign up for. Sachica and I will be on theirs so our choices are a little more flexible. I'm ready to commit friday. If we do 10/12, we could go back for level 3 and/or 4 on the 10/25-26... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 19, 2008, 08:45:04 AM A couple of pics from Level 1 that came in the mail yesterday. More Here (http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/jperillo/Motos/CSS%20Level%201%2006-07-08/?albumview=grid)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/jperillo/Motos/CSS%20Level%201%2006-07-08/IMG_0647.jpg) (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/jperillo/Motos/CSS%20Level%201%2006-07-08/IMG_0716.jpg) (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/jperillo/Motos/CSS%20Level%201%2006-07-08/IMG_1062.jpg) (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/jperillo/Motos/CSS%20Level%201%2006-07-08/IMG_1157.jpg) (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/jperillo/Motos/CSS%20Level%201%2006-07-08/IMG_1119.jpg) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: SDR_John on June 19, 2008, 09:44:47 AM Cool pics guys... Did you order prints? CD?
I ordered the CD and he told me FOUR weeks to get it... Booooo! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 19, 2008, 09:59:13 AM Cool pics guys... Did you order prints? CD? I ordered the CD and he told me FOUR weeks to get it... Booooo! We ordered the CD which was also supposed to be 4-6 weeks. Last night's discovery in the mail was a pleasant little surprise. He gave us a deal of 1st person full price, 2nd person half price on one CD. So it was $99 for 28 pics. I hope you get yours soon [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 19, 2008, 10:03:13 AM IIRC, Steve and I were on 14/15 in Level 1. Official DMF CSS bikes, confirmed. [laugh]
So...Level 2. Can we get a consensus? I'm gonna sign up for 10/12 tomorrow unless anyone objects to that date... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 19, 2008, 10:07:55 AM IIRC, Steve and I were on 14/15 in Level 1. Official DMF CSS bikes, confirmed. [laugh] So...Level 2. Can we get a consensus? I'm gonna sign up for 10/12 tomorrow unless anyone objects to that date... Well that might have to change if we are in the same group ;) We are ready to sign up as well. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 19, 2008, 10:09:05 AM Well that might have to change if we are in the same group ;) We are ready to sign up as well. As long as they have spots, I'm doing "ride your own". [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 19, 2008, 10:24:27 AM As long as they have spots, I'm doing "ride your own". [thumbsup] Of course! That is why we are going on the 12th :) If you are signing up right now let me know your details (not sure if they will assign a group durring sign up) and I will try and get the same one. If not I will call in a littler later today and post up my details. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 19, 2008, 10:58:49 AM I'm not gonna sign up till tomorrow (payday ;D). We were fine last time calling in afterwards and telling 'em who we were attending with. Not sure it will be quite as big of a deal since at level 2 we should all be on track at the same time...
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: joekarati on June 19, 2008, 09:05:12 PM I am soooo wishy washy about this...I need to get off my ass and get the date booked. I hate booking shit in advance...don't they have the procrastinator's special?
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: uclabiker06 on June 19, 2008, 09:30:21 PM +1... [laugh]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: MetalDuc on June 20, 2008, 10:06:59 AM Well I procrastinated yesterday but got around to it today. 2 spots for L2 on 10/12 [moto]
There are still 5 bring your own bike spots open 10/12 so just call already! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 Confirmed for 2) Post by: SDR_John on June 20, 2008, 11:24:04 AM We got our CD...
Another Family Portrait... ;D (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2595321045_e283bc85d8_o.jpg) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 Confirmed for 2) Post by: MetalDuc on June 20, 2008, 12:26:39 PM Very nice! Bikes 12 & 15??? I guess I must have rode the tires off of 14 on Saturday [laugh]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 Confirmed for 2) Post by: SteveG on June 20, 2008, 06:00:38 PM sweet... I'm signed up for the 12th. Or, hopefully I am. It's a little late to talk to them today so I filled out the web form. I wish there were 'ride your own' spots left on the 11th, would have been fun to do class both days. Ah well, it will be fun to do it for one day again, too :) Joey, hurry up and pull the trigger!
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 Confirmed for 2) Post by: sqweak on June 20, 2008, 06:47:57 PM Ok, I'm in for the 12th too. Same as steve, web form. ;D [thumbsup]
Joe sounded like he was dang close to signing up. ;) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 Confirmed for 4) Post by: MetalDuc on June 20, 2008, 07:07:47 PM Come on Joey, there are 4 of us now, so do it already [moto]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 Confirmed for 4) Post by: joekarati on June 20, 2008, 08:41:29 PM Come on Joey, there are 4 of us now, so do it already [moto] Okay sluts, I'm registered via web form for 10/12, own bike, L2. so there. [beer] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 Confirmed for 4) Post by: sqweak on June 20, 2008, 09:19:50 PM [clap]
so we've taken 3/5 "your bike" slots. Someone should let tom know :) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: joekarati on June 21, 2008, 12:02:47 PM tom's in, and it looks like I'll be driving him out to the class... [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: SteveG on June 21, 2008, 12:09:22 PM tom's in, and it looks like I'll be driving him out to the class... [thumbsup] Translation: "Galle, fix your f'n truck!" :P Glad to hear Tom's in, it's going to be another fun day! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: joekarati on June 21, 2008, 12:15:18 PM shit sorry dude, i didn't even look at the line up...but yes, fix your truck bro!!! we got lots more days a comin'!
jc Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: SteveG on June 21, 2008, 12:27:34 PM Dude, no apology necessary, I was keeeding... I really do need ot get the darned thing fixed :)
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on June 22, 2008, 06:55:47 AM So we probably have just about every bring your own bike and Level 2 spot. This is going to be great!
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: joekarati on June 22, 2008, 06:12:52 PM Garrett, or someone, can you request a rider coach if they're workin'? James was the shizzle.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on June 23, 2008, 05:55:03 AM i don't think so. but it's worth a try..
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: SteveG on June 23, 2008, 11:19:53 AM Woot! Going to be a busy weekend, they had room so I signed up for level 2 on Sat and level 3 on Sun, both on my bike, confirmed. ;D
[moto] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on June 23, 2008, 12:14:41 PM umm, i thought the plan was that we were all doing level 2 "together" on sunday? [roll]
got my confirmation [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: SteveG on June 23, 2008, 12:49:22 PM Well, we'll all be at school together anyway... the way I'm looking at the weekend is that those are two days I *know* I can have off, so I'm taking full advantage of it. It would be great to be in the same class with everyone else, but this is going to be fun too, and I rather like the idea of a full weekend of instruction; it takes some time to get into the groove, and last time I felt like I was just getting into it as the day ended. I'm hoping that being out there again without a huge break, more of the second day will be groove time. We'll see.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on June 23, 2008, 01:10:01 PM steve - probably obvious, but you can keep your bike there overnight when you do this
i'll be real interested to hear what you in particular have to say about L3... ;) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on June 23, 2008, 01:51:48 PM Well, we'll all be at school together anyway... the way I'm looking at the weekend is that those are two days I *know* I can have off, so I'm taking full advantage of it. It would be great to be in the same class with everyone else, but this is going to be fun too, and I rather like the idea of a full weekend of instruction; it takes some time to get into the groove, and last time I felt like I was just getting into it as the day ended. I'm hoping that being out there again without a huge break, more of the second day will be groove time. We'll see. *shrug* You gotta do what works for you, but considering that dates were discussed and schedules aligned so that we could all join up together I just thought it was a bit of an odd move. Especially since CSS is back at SoW two weeks later for those of us that wanted to quickly follow up with L3. Let us know how you like L3 :) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: SteveG on June 23, 2008, 01:57:24 PM ...two weeks later is my birthday, can't go...
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on June 23, 2008, 02:26:56 PM Woot! Going to be a busy weekend, they had room so I signed up for level 2 on Sat and level 3 on Sun, both on my bike, confirmed. ;D [moto] Good for you. I know what you are saying about getting in the groove and then time to go. I personally like the idea of being able to go back just a couple of weeks later the way the schedule currently lines up. Time off so your aren't pushing it but not too much time if you want to get back for L3 and L4 in the groove. I think no matter what it is awesome that we will all be there at the same time. It isn't like you have a ton of time to talk and mess around anyway but it is nice to see faces you know. ;D Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on June 23, 2008, 02:55:49 PM I personally like the idea of being able to go back just a couple of weeks later the way the schedule currently lines up. Speaking of...Should we start a roll-call for 10/25 L3 ;D Might as well get the deposit down now... I think I'll take L3 and do a bit more trackdays over the winter before returning for the more free-form L4 in the spring. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on June 23, 2008, 03:07:40 PM I don't know if I am quite ready to make the L3 plunge at the moment. Right now just looking forward anxiously to L2 since I won't have any track days between now and then.
I have been considering this in September which would probably mean no L3 (most likely one or the other). http://www.richoliver.net/FunCampMain.html (http://www.richoliver.net/FunCampMain.html) Anybody interested in the 2 day Fun Camp? Highly recommended by RSTby the way. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on June 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM Speaking of...Should we start a roll-call for 10/25 L3 ;D Might as well get the deposit down now... I think I'll take L3 and do a bit more trackdays over the winter before returning for the more free-form L4 in the spring. christ, this has become the css board word of advice: don't be in a rush for L4. i think you'll get the most out of it by doing L3 and then riding a lot. you'll come in knowing better where your weak spots are. not that spring isn't plenty of time to have done that.. i'm just sayin' Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on June 23, 2008, 03:11:29 PM http://www.richoliver.net/FunCampMain.html (http://www.richoliver.net/FunCampMain.html) Anybody interested in the 2 day Fun Camp? Highly recommended by RSTby the way. i'd love to do the mystery school. but other travel/$$ means probably not me this year. daryl was trying to get some folks interested last year. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on June 23, 2008, 03:21:11 PM christ, this has become the css board Blame yourself. ;) In all seriousness, I'm just hungry for direction. I credit CSS for getting me this far this quick, so I'm happy to return there and continue down that bath (though knowing that my strides won't continue to be so great.). Truthfully I'm down for taking as many different worthwhile classes as possible so I can kick my skills up a notch and start running with you guys so I can learn from y'all as well. [thumbsup] Quote word of advice: don't be in a rush for L4. i think you'll get the most out of it by doing L3 and then riding a lot. you'll come in knowing better where your weak spots are. not that spring isn't plenty of time to have done that.. i'm just sayin' Yup, that's the impression I got and my desire for the time off between em! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on June 23, 2008, 03:27:37 PM I don't know if I am quite ready to make the L3 plunge at the moment. Right now just looking forward anxiously to L2 since I won't have any track days between now and then. I have been considering this in September which would probably mean no L3 (most likely one or the other). http://www.richoliver.net/FunCampMain.html (http://www.richoliver.net/FunCampMain.html) Anybody interested in the 2 day Fun Camp? Highly recommended by RSTby the way. Hrmm, This is especially interesting Quote BUILD YOUR OWN FUN CAMP! Special dates available upon request for groups of four or more! I've never done dirt. I could probably be convinced to hold L3 for mystery school instead. ;D Are they newbie friendly enough that mags could come? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on June 23, 2008, 03:39:42 PM From what I understand they are very newbie friendly. In fact they are like the only MSF authorized dirt bike course in CA so I think they accomodate all levels. She might be more interested in some of the programs other than the 2 day fun camp. Either way it seems like the bikes are small the speeds are low and there is something to learn for anybody that goes.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: joekarati on June 24, 2008, 07:36:51 AM re: CSS Sunday
Don't get all mad at me, but I need to switch my L2 class to Saturday rather than Sunday. I was all IZ_ eyed when I signed up...I need to work on Sundays at the school all thru the Fall and thus....I'll call to see if it's even possible. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: sqweak on June 24, 2008, 10:08:08 AM heh, so assuming tom will go with ya, I guess that means you 3 will do saturday and sachica metalduc and I will do sunday.
Thing is, I thought we were on sunday because they didn't have any your bike spots for saturday ??? Can you ask when you call? I'd be happy to move to Saturday if there is room. I have some more deatils for the October dates to help you all make up your minds. As of today the following is the list of open spots for each date. 10/11 Level 2 - 0 your bike, 10 their bikes 10/12 Level 2 - 6 your bike, 10 their bikes 10/25 & 10/26 Level 2 - Completely open If you are taking your bike as I assume most of you are it looks like 10/12 is the day we should sign up for. Sachica and I will be on theirs so our choices are a little more flexible. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October (10/12 6 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on June 24, 2008, 10:18:56 AM Title: Re: Keith Code CSS September and October Post by: joekarati on June 24, 2008, 12:19:52 PM Thing is, I thought we were on sunday because they didn't have any your bike spots for saturday ??? Can you ask when you call? I'd be happy to move to Saturday if there is room. Oops...yeah, I remember that when I was all drunk...that's why we go 10/12 Sunday. I'll leave it AS IS. Sorry for the headache. :P Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on September 24, 2008, 11:08:53 AM Bump.
First post updated. Any new takers or interested parties? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on September 25, 2008, 07:18:59 AM looks like both Matt and I are cornerworking 10/11-12
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: joekarati on September 25, 2008, 09:05:37 AM looks like both Matt and I are cornerworking 10/11-12 Snap! Bring on the Black Flags... ;D Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on September 25, 2008, 09:16:32 AM Snap! Bring on the Black Flags... ;D (http://www.your-bars.com/images/bbars.jpg) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on September 25, 2008, 09:34:53 AM (http://tattoos-101.tattoofinder.com/files/henry-rollins-01.jpg)
....too bad it's really a blue flag ;) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on September 25, 2008, 10:08:35 AM looks like both Matt and I are cornerworking 10/11-12 [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 10, 2008, 08:01:29 AM Two more days! I am pretty excited for this one actually. The anticipation has been building for a week and a half now.
2nd track day ever here I come.... [moto] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 10, 2008, 08:02:43 AM looks like a fun socal hooligan crew.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 10, 2008, 11:58:08 AM Two more days! I am pretty excited for this one actually. The anticipation has been building for a week and a half now. 2nd track day ever here I come.... [moto] stay off the brakes or i'm gonna blue flag your ass [cheeky] looking forward to the weekend also http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USCA0955?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared (http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USCA0955?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared) now since it's always windy there the fact that they're calling it out... at least it won't be 105 and windy. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on October 10, 2008, 12:41:33 PM have fun kids!
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: 'diction on October 10, 2008, 01:58:20 PM Awe... If Squeak doesn't go, who's gonna protect all the big boys from the little women ?
:-* j/k i already got an invite, from someone special. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: darylbowden on October 10, 2008, 02:06:55 PM Lucky bastards, enjoy. I'll just be sitting home getting older... ;)
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on October 10, 2008, 02:52:32 PM Awe... If Squeak doesn't go, who's gonna protect all the big boys from the little women ? :-* j/k i already got an invite, from someone special. Go away. >:( not kidding. Lucky bastards, enjoy. I'll just be sitting home getting older... ;) I'm considering repeating level 1 on my bike, let me know if you wanna do a 1/2 weekend this winter/spring Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: darylbowden on October 10, 2008, 02:58:15 PM I'm considering repeating level 1 on my bike, let me know if you wanna do a 1/2 weekend this winter/spring Yeah, once this next week goes by and the employment picture becomes clearer, I'll be able to make some decisions to that end, but it's definitely something I'm looking to do. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: 'diction on October 10, 2008, 06:07:43 PM >:( since you are understandably married and happyly so, i'll say this is comming from 'game over' stage. and not from 1.) the lack of boy's night out 2.) your general desire to see your friends happily engaged in pursuits of the ahem, fairer sex but I will take this into consideration next time I think to tell you to go away, so you can think nothing of it... and just do it k' on a lighter note.... I got Keith Code's autograph. Be jealous makes a nice sticker. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 11, 2008, 07:08:18 PM stay off the brakes or i'm gonna blue flag your ass [cheeky] looking forward to the weekend also http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USCA0955?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared (http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USCA0955?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared) now since it's always windy there the fact that they're calling it out... at least it won't be 105 and windy. I'll do what the lesson calls for but I was thinking of actually using the brakes this time. Last time I stuck it in 3rd gear and only used breaks when I really f'd up or was making sure I got well past somebody and needed to take a bit off for the corner. I thought I might try shifting more this time and using the brakes sparingly but consistantly. I guess we will see. :) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 12, 2008, 07:32:24 PM Weeeeeee!!!!!!
Felt nice and comfortable getting back on the track. Picked up right where I left off on level 1. Sachica had a bit of a rough start to the day but is feeling mildly better about the day as a whole. Great to see everybody out there. Special thanks to Steve, Matt and the G man for their fast boy riding tips. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 13, 2008, 07:54:46 AM Agreed...was fun. I managed to keep up with the group which was nice.
Felt good to be back. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 13, 2008, 08:31:40 AM Agreed...was fun. I managed to keep up with the group which was nice. Felt good to be back. ... i guess 2 ppl is a group. =) freakin chilly but a fun couple days. everyone had really obvious improvement.. fun to see. tom needs to start moving off the seat.. he's making me nervous :-X :) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: joekarati on October 13, 2008, 10:36:23 AM That was a super great day. The day was informative and helped me really get my confidence back at the track...good to see Matt out there tearing it up! [beer]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 13, 2008, 11:14:39 AM That was a super great day. The day was informative and helped me really get my confidence back at the track...good to see Matt out there tearing it up! [beer] If that was you riding with a lack of confidence, you must be just a blur on a good day ;D Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: aprilmaybe on October 13, 2008, 11:25:06 AM Glad you guys had fun. I going on the 25th and I can't wait.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on October 13, 2008, 12:40:08 PM If that was you riding with a lack of confidence, you must be just a blur on a good day ;D he is ;) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 14, 2008, 06:38:38 AM shall we file this biotch?
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: derby on October 14, 2008, 07:28:42 AM we're filing schools as track days, now?
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 14, 2008, 07:29:47 AM we're filing schools as track days, now? was a track day for GM and I. Plus, it's at the track and during the day. What's the diff? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: derby on October 14, 2008, 07:43:55 AM was a track day for GM and I. Plus, it's at the track and during the day. What's the diff? curriculum? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 14, 2008, 08:23:10 AM curriculum? I guess I don't see why it would matter where it gets filed...seems pretty track day related. Not to mention, other track days offer curriculum (e.g. Track Daz). Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: hbliam on October 14, 2008, 08:45:48 AM You guys should argue about this for a couple more pages and then go ahead and file it. [popcorn]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: derby on October 14, 2008, 09:20:09 AM I guess I don't see why it would matter where it gets filed...seems pretty track day related. Not to mention, other track days offer curriculum (e.g. Track Daz). i'm sure you could care less what i think, but here ya go: yes, trackdaz does offer curriculum, but not at their "normal" track days. regarding CSS, while it may be a free track day for you and garrett, it's a school for everybody else. if we're archiving for organizational reasons, it would make sense to archive the trackdays in one thread, the schools in another, (the rides in another), etc... let's say, for example, somebody is searching the forum for information on CSS and wants to read about people's experiences. in this case, they have to read through 33+ pages of general "5 guys went to street/big willow/buttonwillow" threads to get "level 1 and 2 really helped me because ____". personally, i think archiving these threads is somewhat counter-productive because they lose context. a single thread w/ links to the original, individual threads for the events would've made much more sense. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/12 5 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 14, 2008, 09:25:28 AM curriculum? According to the conversation at Coaches afterwards it was passing ;) You guys should argue about this for a couple more pages and then go ahead and file it. [popcorn] How about if I just update it for the next session? You in or out? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on October 14, 2008, 01:27:53 PM FWIW, IIRC (enough acronyms for ya?) the archive was requested in order to spare people who don't care about the track from the cultter of all the track threads (schools, days, whatever)
childboard, track thread, track/school/ride threads...doesn't matter to me *shrug* Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 14, 2008, 02:56:00 PM think we should make 5 copies of this thread and do all of the above.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 14, 2008, 03:37:10 PM yeah, seriously derby...who really gives a shit?
[cheeky] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: darylbowden on October 14, 2008, 03:38:47 PM FWIW, IIRC (enough acronyms for ya?) FTR ( ;) ) Those aren't acronyms, those are initialisms. Acronyms are when you can pronounce the word made by the initials, i.e. SCUBA. When you have to pronounce each individual letter, it's an initialism. * This has nothing to do with anything, but since this thread is pointless at this point anyways, I thought I'd jump on board. Oh, and I bet Garrett will appreciate it. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 14, 2008, 03:54:43 PM Oh, and I bet Garrett will appreciate it. [laugh] [laugh] i DID think about saying that very same thing... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: darylbowden on October 14, 2008, 04:14:17 PM [laugh] [laugh] i DID think about saying that very same thing... English Majors... UNITE! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: joekarati on October 14, 2008, 07:05:55 PM Erm, those are not the dates that we went to track for the school this past weekend! (?)
[bang] [bang] [bang] OK, so, I think I agree with Derb, or in other words, I think we should have a track day main archive and now a CSS one also. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 14, 2008, 07:44:15 PM OK, so, I think I agree with Derb, or in other words, I think we should have a track day main archive and now a CSS one also. I agree with Joe that Derby is wrong. [wine] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 14, 2008, 08:00:25 PM The subject of the thread and first post have been updated for people that want to coordinate the next session. Write ups on your experience this weekend are welcome whether they be on track observations, in the class or the corner.
I think this thread can be useful both as feed back and for organization. I was going to wait until I got my lap times for comparison in my oficial write up but maybe I will just do the write up and then evalute the times when they come. I am sure people thinking about level 1 want to know what it is like and people considering level 2 want to know if it is worth it and so on. The more those of us who have been there share the more valuable the thread becomes. Hopefully the organization part encourages people who might put off going alone to be encouraged by the knowledge that another person from this community will be there. [beer] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: Speeddog on October 14, 2008, 10:09:13 PM Let's not file this away with the trackdays.
It does have value beyond what a normal trackday thread has. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: hbliam on October 14, 2008, 10:11:59 PM I'm not really interested in getting addicted to track time but have been considering CSS for some time to just make me a better street rider. What's been your (everyone who wants to answer) experiance in that respect? Is the $650 worth it if I don't really plan on being a track junkie like the rest of you? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on October 14, 2008, 10:27:19 PM I didn't set out to take the course and be a track addict, but thats how it worked out. I actually went to try and get my confidence back/up. Here's a write-up from way back then. (april?) I think it's a great school with lessons that applicable at any speed or location, street or track.
Quote from: sqweak (I think this is applicable here, but if not mods can feel free to move it to Riding Techniques) Well, I think I can say that my track cherry has been sufficiently popped. ;D For those who don't know me or my exhalted poser status (;)), I've had some confidence issues after a 1-2-3 punch of a hiatus from riding, death of a friend, and some silly newbie wrecks. This led to me not really riding as much as I would like to and increased stress and self-pressure when I'm on a group ride in the twisties. gm2 has been encouraging me to get out to the track but I've always had a reason not to: work schedule, lack of leathers, etc. Finally this latest round of encouragement came from gm2 and when I made excuses he pointed out that CSS was coming up, was on a weekend, and would rent me a bike and leathers. Out of excuses, I decided to put my money where my mouth was and signed up [thumbsup] I battled a serious case of nerves and anxiety leading up to Saturday, but reading reviews on this board and talking more with gm2 and sexybill convinced me that it would be a low pressure environment more focused on skill improvement than track speeds. I didn't sleep much the night before and met up way too early in the morning with gm2 and steveg to carpool up to Streets of Willow @ Willow Springs. We made really good time and quickly went through the assembly line of signing in, leaving a deposit, getting group/gear/equipment/coach assignments and grabbin a quick bite of breakfast. The first task of the day was to work on our throttle control, an area I'm absolutely horrible with in turns on the street, and it resulted in us doing a couple of single file orientation laps and then starting our first on track session with the instructions of 4th gear only and no brakes. I started out as a nervous wreck, thrown off by never being on a track or on an i4. The terror of coming out of a decreasing radius turn 2 and going down hill into a double apex turn 3 heading back uphill without being able to slow up led to an absolutely abysmal starting laptime of 2:47. I slowly started to warm up and had shaved nearly 20 seconds off by the end of the first session. :o The classroom instruction was good (though I greatly prefer Keith over Dylan), but I got way more out of the on track coaching. My coach would give me things to work on independent of the individual lesson for the session, and was often giving me big thumbs up and head nods indicating my improvement of these areas while we did a lead-follow. After the first session, I was really having some problems with a 90 degree left hander with bumps all over the apex (turn 10) and asked my coach how to better handle it. He advised me that it appeared I was coming in too hot for my comfort zone and would be better served entering slower, getting the bike over and getting on the throttle soon to stabilize the bike before I hit the bumps. Our next lesson was on turn in points and they had been marked for every turn on the track. We were allowed to use 3rd and 4th gear, but still no brakes. Both of these helped me tremendously and encouraged by them I started to get a bit more aggressive with the bike. After a few laps to get the tires warmed up, I found myself coming into turn 3 at a speed I was certain was much too hot for my ability. I decided to try flicking the bike in knowing that it would either stick or I'd hurtle off the track and likely end my day (CSS has a no crashing rule :-\), but to my surprise it worked! This was the light bulb moment for me as I finally understood that the bike was capable of far more than I could imagine, and the day continued with edging up entry speeds and increasing lean angles. It would turn out that my "flick it" idea would be the next lesson, and I repeated this uncanny habit of trying something to help myself in a session only to go to the next class and find that was the assignment for our next session (after flick it was relax, and then two step turn-in and apex sighting). My rider coach continued to help me identify and fix trouble spots on the course separate from the class's assigned lesson and with his help I became more consistent in my lines and my confident in my abilities. There were multiple times when I nailed a turn and grinned ear to ear as I realized I was doing it right. I am sure I was nowhere near even an amateur racer's level of correctly executing the turn, but I was hitting the basics of a settled and stable bike at a decent lean angle and it was a pretty damn cool feeling. I did turns at speeds and lean angles that I would have never believed to be possible for a 400lb bike and 250lb rider according to the laws of physics. ;D In the last few sessions I had improved from being passed by practically everybody to the point that I was regularly passing the one or two other slow guys because my lines and speeds were better. I barely scratched the surface of the i4, not being used to the powerband I was severely short shifting well below it but I was content focusing on using the now available brakes as little as possible and maintaining my smoothness. I continued improving my lap times in each session and ended the day turning consistent times 40 seconds faster than my first lap. :o My coach closed out the day telling me how amazed he was that I was the same guy he'd followed being so timid during the first session. [laugh] I really enjoyed the day and am eager to get some time out on my duc and see what and where I can safely apply my learnings. I'm not sure if I'm ready for level 2 yet, but I'm pretty sure I'll be heading back and completing the entire curriculum as I get to where I think I'm prepared for each level. Being on the track is a whole other world and I can't lie: I've been eying track bikes & leathers and considering completely eliminating what little "sporting" street riding I currently do ;) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 15, 2008, 07:52:19 AM I'm not really interested in getting addicted to track time but have been considering CSS for some time to just make me a better street rider. What's been your (everyone who wants to answer) experiance in that respect? Is the $650 worth it if I don't really plan on being a track junkie like the rest of you? i sincerely think that anyone that rides a motorcycle in any capacity should take CSS Level 1. If you never plan to step foot on a track after that, maybe you don't continue. Although you may feel differently about that at the end of the day. regardless, *everyone* should do L1 if you ask me. and if you plan far enough ahead to get a BYOB spot, it's only $390. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: hbliam on October 15, 2008, 08:19:47 AM i sincerely think that anyone that rides a motorcycle in any capacity should take CSS Level 1. If you never plan to step foot on a track after that, maybe you don't continue. Although you may feel differently about that at the end of the day. regardless, *everyone* should do L1 if you ask me. and if you plan far enough ahead to get a BYOB spot, it's only $390. That's what i figured and why I was considering it. I don't want to BMOB my first time on a track, during a class. Dropping my 1100s would probably cost more then the $750 deposit, crashing it certainly would. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 15, 2008, 08:28:40 AM i sincerely think that anyone that rides a motorcycle in any capacity should take CSS Level 1. If you never plan to step foot on a track after that, maybe you don't continue. Although you may feel differently about that at the end of the day. regardless, *everyone* should do L1 if you ask me. and if you plan far enough ahead to get a BYOB spot, it's only $390. +1 Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 15, 2008, 08:38:07 AM That's what i figured and why I was considering it. I don't want to BMOB my first time on a track, during a class. Dropping my 1100s would probably cost more then the $750 deposit, crashing it certainly would. although, both comically and tragically, someone crashed on the 2nd turn of the first SIGHTING LAP of the day last saturday, normally i would say that crashing at the school (esp in L1) is darn near impossible. while it's true that if you keep going with the classes you'll naturally start to go faster, this is definitely not a go-fast school. the techniques they teach are applicable at any speed and most of the on-track sessions in L1 have very limited rules about what gears/brakes you can use so that you concentrate on the lesson, not qualifying. first time out on the track will be 4th gear, no brakes. if you're a halfway competent rider you aren't going to crash here. last weekend we saw several 1098s, an 848, a 999, and a Desmosedici out there. ...ok, the desmo guy is filthy rich. but whatever. that said, the kawis are fun and easy to ride. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 15, 2008, 09:24:03 AM That's what i figured and why I was considering it. I don't want to BMOB my first time on a track, during a class. Dropping my 1100s would probably cost more then the $750 deposit, crashing it certainly would. Yep, I agree with everything these guys have said. Personally I have been to the track 2 times, Level 1 and Level 2 CSS and that is it. Both times I have chosen to use their bikes. To me the cost is worth it for the peace of mind the first couple of times out there. Although, there is no reason to be any more worried about crashing your own bike than you would be normally it helps to know you don't have to worry about fixing it or getting it home if something did happen. CSS is for you if you want the road to seem wider, corners to seem like they are easier to negotiate, have smooth throttle control and avaoid negative Survival Reactions. In other words if you are concerned with riding your bike more safely and cofidently then CSS is for you [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: Ivan on October 19, 2008, 08:23:43 AM I just signed-up for Level 1 on Oct 25, renting their bike. Waiting for confirmation.... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: Ivan on October 20, 2008, 10:21:46 AM I just signed-up for Level 1 on Oct 25, renting their bike. Waiting for confirmation.... Found out that I'm on a waiting list. Looks like I'll be waiting until next year..... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 20, 2008, 10:28:06 AM Found out that I'm on a waiting list. Looks like I'll be waiting until next year..... be ready.. you'd be surprised how often there are last minute cancellations Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 1 Spot Confirmed) Post by: Ivan on October 21, 2008, 02:19:31 PM be ready.. you'd be surprised how often there are last minute cancellations You're right. Just got a call, I'm in ... [thumbsup] [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: aprilmaybe on October 24, 2008, 06:28:55 PM I can't keep track of threads like this [roll]
Who is in for Sat? I'm on a yellow SV come and say hi! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 24, 2008, 08:25:12 PM I can't keep track of threads like this [roll] Who is in for Sat? I'm on a yellow SV come and say hi! Just check the first post for updates. Here is a freebie In aprilmaybe Level 1 on 10/25 Ivan Level 1 on 10/25 madmatt (CW 10/25 & 10/26) [thumbsup] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 24, 2008, 08:26:06 PM Oh yeah and have fun out there kids!
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 24, 2008, 08:51:46 PM can't wait 'til next friday :)
josiah, you coming? Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: sqweak on October 24, 2008, 10:34:57 PM dude, you're cross polinating the school and trackday threads ;)
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: ducpainter on October 25, 2008, 05:24:51 AM dude, you're cross polinating the school and trackday threads ;) he can't help himself...he's all excited and stuff. ;D Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 25, 2008, 10:00:17 AM Just check the first post for updates. Here is a freebie In aprilmaybe Level 1 on 10/25 Ivan Level 1 on 10/25 madmatt (CW 10/25 & 10/26) [thumbsup] correction 10/26 only. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: Evil_Ductator on October 25, 2008, 09:48:54 PM OK, sounds like most folks were at CSS today, I am there tomorrow for Level I (Sunday 10/26). Will post my experience up in this thread.
Off to bed! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: Ivan on October 26, 2008, 05:07:29 PM I did the CSS level 1 class yesterday (10/25). It was everything I hoped for, and none of my worst fears materialized. I must admit that I was very apprehensive about doing this, the previous posts in this thread had a lot to do with my finally taking the plunge. Riding the Kawasaki took some getting used to, the Monster is the closest thing to a sportbike that I've ever ridden. At first I had a tendency to not lean forward enough, so my arms were not relaxed because I had to reach for the bars. Once I realized that I had to pretty much lay on the tank, everything came so much easier. My lap times for the first session (4th gear only) were in the 2:40 range. In the last session I was down to 2:03, and the last 3 laps were all within 2 seconds of each other. I'm sure these times are way slow, but I was pleased with what I got out of it. I could have gone much faster on the straights, but that just didn't interest me at the time because the corners were so much fun. Its one thing to read the books and understand the concepts, but it really clicks when you get to put it into practice in a controlled environment, taking the same set of turns over and over again. Riding in the canyons will never be the same. So I saw a salvaged 996 for sale today..... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: madmatt on October 27, 2008, 08:25:45 AM another fun weekend (well, Sunday) at SOW. One of the corner workers had a pretty bad highside and wadded his bike in the bowl during the free-ride lunch session...bummer. which posed problems when it came time to load his bike and it was was stuck in gear (5th?), no left clip-on/clutch lever, no shift peg, no left spool...
As for me, was feeling a bit under the weather and took it easy. The good news is that I managed to lead 3 laps with Stuman behind me during lunch. Not quite as impressive when you know he was on a 450 supermoto... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: MetalDuc on October 27, 2008, 08:58:04 AM I did the CSS level 1 class yesterday (10/25). It was everything I hoped for, and none of my worst fears materialized. I must admit that I was very apprehensive about doing this, the previous posts in this thread had a lot to do with my finally taking the plunge. Riding the Kawasaki took some getting used to, the Monster is the closest thing to a sportbike that I've ever ridden. At first I had a tendency to not lean forward enough, so my arms were not relaxed because I had to reach for the bars. Once I realized that I had to pretty much lay on the tank, everything came so much easier. My lap times for the first session (4th gear only) were in the 2:40 range. In the last session I was down to 2:03, and the last 3 laps were all within 2 seconds of each other. I'm sure these times are way slow, but I was pleased with what I got out of it. I could have gone much faster on the straights, but that just didn't interest me at the time because the corners were so much fun. Its one thing to read the books and understand the concepts, but it really clicks when you get to put it into practice in a controlled environment, taking the same set of turns over and over again. Riding in the canyons will never be the same. So I saw a salvaged 996 for sale today..... Awesome to hear you had a good day and this thread helped take the plunge. No, the canyons will never be the same again and some might even tell you why go to them at all ;) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/25-10/28, 2 Spots Confirmed) Post by: gm2 on October 27, 2008, 10:25:53 AM The good news is that I managed to lead 3 laps with Stuman behind me during lunch. Not quite as impressive when you know he was on a 450 supermoto... that mothereffer is fast on that thing. we'd pass eachother 5, 6 times in a lap. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TDB Post by: gm2 on October 27, 2008, 10:28:25 AM TDB?
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: MetalDuc on October 27, 2008, 11:14:12 AM Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: gm2 on October 27, 2008, 11:53:59 AM ....oh ;)
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: aprilmaybe on October 27, 2008, 08:26:33 PM That was fantastic!
It was a great experience and considering all that goes into it, its a great value. The entire staff was awesome and they really have their act together. Code is both passionate about what he is doing and a gifted speaker. Breaking the process down to just one element for each drill allowed you to really focus on what you were doing. Simple as it might be, just making you repeat the drill and the hand signals before being cleared to go helped keep the focus. I initially hated the super-tight section instead of the skidpad but I got much better though there. My coach was cool. He was totally straight forward which is actually refreshing. I've had this discussion with another female rider--we've both had too many control riders that sugarcoat things. Don't tell me I'm doing great when I'm trying to improve. I also liked the WIDE OPEN tattooed across his knuckles. There was an 11 year old running around on a 125 in the higher levels that was amazing to watch. Keep an eye out for Peter Lenz in the future. This was from April at Streets with CSS. [bow_down] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU6xrs7SOCc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU6xrs7SOCc&feature=related) Its like pop-up video...he dosen't like mayo [cheeky] Ivan, It was nice meeting you. We were in different groups so we didn't get to chat too much. Ryan it was nice seeing you again. I'm soooooo looking forward to the trackday on Friday. I wish the turn in points would still be marked though. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: Evil_Ductator on October 27, 2008, 09:33:17 PM I too did CSS this weekend. I was in the Level I group on Sunday. Too bad, was hoping to meet some DMF'ers.
So here's my impressions on the class. This was my first "track day" if you can call it that. I have wanted to do one for a while now and wanted to get some good instruction. I know a few orgs have some instruction but I wanted more than that so CSS was perfect. First of all, it's really cool that Keith Code still is actually teaching the class, even to the Level I students. After so many years most guys would just have people teaching his curriculum, but not Keith. He is very charismatic and is able to present instruction such that its very easy to understand. If you've read his books you know what I mean. Dylan Code also gave some instruction, and he was great as well. They alternate between classroom seminars and track drills. They start with throttle control and then accumulate skills in each drill. The other drills consist of entry point, quick turn-ins, relaxing on the bars and giving good inputs, and two-step turn-ins, consisting of looking where you want to go, then popping the bike over firmly but smoothly. All fundamentals, but exactly that - fundamental! Additionally, there is a lot more info in the seminars than just the skills you practice on track. Things such as picking a good line, what makes a line "good", the physics of cornering, and a lot more were all presented by Keith and Dylan in a manner that was very easy to understand, but not at all "dumbed down". During the on-track drills, they have a coach who works with three students. He will be behind you watching you practice the skills for that drill, without you knowing. Then he will fly around you and have you follow him, trying to help you in areas that he sees need for improvement. I found this incredibly helpful. Following him, I always rode better. It helped me take some of the "busy" aspect out of setting up my speed and picking the turn-in entry point. Then after the drill is over they do one-on-one coaching from what they saw and ask you which corners you though you did well in and which ones you though were not so good. Usually we jived on those, so I think I had a good idea of how I was doing. Each time we went out I improved. I think it was the third session where I really felt it gel. Everything just sort of came together. It was a great buzz. I really nailed some of the turns and even the really tight turns at the end (12-14, I think). I was one of the faster riders in the Level I group, although there were some others who were very skilled riders that were out to hone their fundamentals. The guys in the upper levels were incredibly fast (to me). By the end of the day, I was getting tired, physically and mentally but I stuck with it and after the last drill, I was spent. I think the 5 sessions out were the perfect amount. I also found out how poor of physical shape I'm in. I'm rather sore today! As for the school itself, it was very well run. Professional, yet laid back. Everyone there was serious about learning, yet there to have fun. The Code family has good karma, it's obvious. Judy Code was so nice too, they were just all very accommodating and approachable. As were all of the instructors and other staff. They really have a great group of people at CSS all around. I only saw I think two crashes in the upper levels, and one in Level I, luckily on the second to last lap of the day, and it was only a lowside with no injuries. He was riding one of their bikes and the damage took up most of his $750 deposit. An insurance company would have called it thousands of dollars damage, so I think they were very fair about it. Which reminds me, I also rode one of CSS's Kawi ZX-6R's and it was a fun bike. They're set up well, so they are very stable and confidence-inspiring in the corners. My M1000 has dual low pipes and not-so-great tires, so that was another motivator for taking CSS instead of doing a track day. I believe there is a dedicated track bike in my near future. Oh, and an interesting side note. There were some guys there filming one of the students for a Greek TV show about a dude who goes around doing "extreme" stuff (diving with sharks, fighting an MMA champ, getting lit on fire, etc). So I guess I'll be on Greek TV. They are "in talks" with U.S. networks, but I'm not holding my breath [laugh] So in summary, superb school, great experience, and I can't wait to do Level II. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: gm2 on October 28, 2008, 06:06:41 AM [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: sqweak on October 28, 2008, 03:48:59 PM There was an 11 year old running around on a 125 in the higher levels that was amazing to watch. Keep an eye out for Peter Lenz in the future. I was not so pleased to have him running with my Level 1 group this spring. I guess when CSS sponsors you it doesn't matter if you cut off and stuff paying students. [roll] Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: gm2 on October 28, 2008, 06:15:52 PM ....happens a lot. but they all pass so efficiently it barely matters.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: darylbowden on October 28, 2008, 11:25:16 PM Peter Lenz is FAST. You can do a youtube search and check out him doing some laps at willow. The kid can flat-out ride and his Dad is like a one-man publicity machine.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: gm2 on October 29, 2008, 07:42:28 AM Peter Lenz is FAST. You can do a youtube search and check out him doing some laps at willow. The kid can flat-out ride and his Dad is like a one-man publicity machine. watched them packing up their van after CSS on 10/12.. just a funny, albeit expected, anecdote: in addition to bikes and partial bikes, that thing had at least 50 tires stacked up in it. they be serious. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: aprilmaybe on October 29, 2008, 08:29:41 AM Funniest thing was watching him drive the RV around to the RV spaces. I have no idea how he reached the pedals.
I am glad he wasn't in my group, being passed like that is unnerving. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: sqweak on October 29, 2008, 10:04:56 AM ....happens a lot. but they all pass so efficiently it barely matters. Level 1 is no inside passing. The first time didn't really put me out besides surprising me, so I didn't say anything. The second time he didn't just stuff me but cut across my nose with minimal clearance to do so. Not a cool thing to do to paying customers who've never been on the track before. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: Ivan on October 29, 2008, 10:40:34 AM Level 1 is no inside passing. Don't know about your class, but they definitely allow inside and outside passing during the current Level 1 program. The only restriction is that there must be at least 6 ft of clearance. My group was on break while P Lenz was on the track. It was very entertaining to watch how he picked his way through traffic, that kid can fly. I'm also glad he was not riding during my session.... Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: sqweak on October 29, 2008, 11:03:22 AM Don't know about your class, but they definitely allow inside and outside passing during the current Level 1 program. The only restriction is that there must be at least 6 ft of clearance. Then I'm misremembering the rule. ;) Point is, whatever the rules were...he was breaking em. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: madmatt on October 29, 2008, 11:05:32 AM personally I'd rather be passed fast and clean, then slowly by someone sketchy. Passing, and being passed is a fact of riding on the track. I'd be willing to bet that, other than being spooky and humbling to noobs, he is much less dangerous than the other 19 guys on the track.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: gm2 on October 29, 2008, 11:31:46 AM fwiw, as cornerworkers we call on those kids (Oct 11-12 there were 4 or 5 of them out there) all the time; so much so that we usually give up halfway through the day. there is a bit of a double standard going on when they're @ the school, for sure. i just meant that normally so much of their passing is a blur, that... big deal. but yeah i can see how it would be distracting, esp early on.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: MetalDuc on October 29, 2008, 11:40:37 AM I think both sides of this are valid. Yes he is good and yes he passes effciently. I also know that I was out there with him or another little kid durring Level 1 and he was not respecting the 6 foot passing rule. While I was aware that was part of being on the track I also thought it took away from what you are trying to accomplish durring school.
I was always shocked when I saw him passing people very close right in front of me and was sure that the instructors would say something. They may have but I don't know for sure. I was pretty sure though, that had anybody else in the class been passing like that they would have been talked to and in fact some were. Just because they are fast kids doesn't mean they should be able to break established class rules. If they are that good then passing with space shouldn't be a problem. Instructors and madmatt passed me frequently and with a good margin unlike the kid. I think sqweak is just noting this isn't an open track session and they make it clear that it is not a race. I think the kids can respect that they just need to be reminded every so often by the adults. Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: gm2 on October 29, 2008, 11:55:25 AM ... and they are rarely reminded.
Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: topangster on October 30, 2008, 12:47:49 PM I too did CSS this weekend. I was in the Level I group on Sunday. ... So in summary, superb school, great experience, and I can't wait to do Level II. Evil Ductator: Do you think doing a one-day (Level One) for your first visit was a better choice than doing the two-day (L 1 & 2)? I'm inclined to do the same thing you did, and then go back later for a 2-day, maybe for levels 2 & 3. My thought was doing two days the first time out might be a bit much. Any opinion on that? Topangster Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: Evil_Ductator on October 30, 2008, 01:08:14 PM Evil Ductator: Do you think doing a one-day (Level One) for your first visit was a better choice than doing the two-day (L 1 & 2)? I'm inclined to do the same thing you did, and then go back later for a 2-day, maybe for levels 2 & 3. My thought was doing two days the first time out might be a bit much. Any opinion on that? Topangster Personally for me, the 2-day would definitely have been too much. For one, I've never done a track day before, and a lot of the methodology they taught me is fundamentals that need practice and repetition. I think doing two levels in a row would be a lot to absorb in two days. Now, if you've done a lot of track days and have been riding a long time (I have only 5 years under my belt) then it might not be too much. Also, I was physically exhausted after the day. Granted, I'm not in the best physical shape these days as I work in front of a damn computer all day. But if you're in better shape this would be less of an issue. I was very sore the next day, and can't imagine having done another whole day of track riding. Again, YMMV. Hope this helps! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: sqweak on October 30, 2008, 02:54:27 PM +1 to everything ;)
(my first day, not best physical shape, lot to absorb, physically exhausted and sore afterwards) Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: derby on October 30, 2008, 05:26:54 PM +1 to everything ;) (my first day, not best physical shape, lot to absorb, physically exhausted and sore afterwards) not to mention some punk ass 11yo on a 20hp bike passin' you like you were sittin' still! Title: Re: Keith Code CSS October (10/27-10/28, RACE) - 2009 TBD Post by: gm2 on November 10, 2008, 03:49:28 PM this'll be an interesting article as it continues... but the mention of CSS is interesting, apropos, etc
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