Ducati Monster Forum

Are these grips really $100 better....
(http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/images/5%20-%20Universal%20Other%20Parts/Handlebars,%20Risers,%20and%20Grips/GR213GripsAllColors.jpg)
...than these grips?
(http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/images/5%20-%20Universal%20Other%20Parts/Handlebars,%20Risers,%20and%20Grips/Grips%20all%20colors.jpg)

I've already fitted the less expensive "Sportline" grips coz I prefer the look of them.  But..... after 6000kms the throttle stop seems to be wearing out as i can now twist the throttle back beyond its proper "stop" position.  So I'm wondering if the "Lux" grips are really any better quality?  Why so much more expensive?   

Cheers!

The throttle tube and cam is the same from one to the other, only the machining of the metal and the grip pattern/location changes.

Personally, I prefer the look of the Delux, but the feel of the Sportline, as I like having the rubber pad underneath the part of my hand that is applying the most pressure.

Answers my question perfectly..... Cheers  [thumbsup]

I have the Sportline and prefer that look over the more expensive ones...

i have the sports and think they look great, but dont actually feel as good as the cheapo rubbers if you ask me
i dont really like having hard metal under my palm, it gets hurty sometimes

im a total mod whore so i suffer with the pretty grips over the ugly functional ones of course

Yeah, I'm usually form over function, but the Rizoma stuff is like crack...

The "Lux" look dope. If my bike was going to show or if I had tons of cash, they would be the choice. However. the sports lokks great to and they have replaceable rubbers. So even thought they are cheaper, you get the better deal. I'll take either one as soon as my pocket book allows.

Yeah - they do look great.  Disappointing that they dont last too long though. 

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if you can rotate the throttle past idle you should maybe check to see if you can tighten the throttle cable

the rubber grip may wear and get loose, but you cant actually wear out the "throttle stop" i dont believe

I find the Sportlines much more comfortable than the OEM grips.  I think its the larger diameter.

The grip pads wear, but they're only $8 from PJsParts.com

Last year my Sportline throttle grip was slipping and rotating slightly past stop.  It then  detached from the inner throttle tube -- while I was on the superslab! 

After an interesting ride back home, I glued the sleeve back into the grip using epoxy and its held fine.

Thanks, that sounds exactly like what is hapeening to mine.... better get the epoxy out before it lets go completely.  Cheers  [beer]

I have the sportline, and like the indentation towards the inside, I find it very comfortable for my thumb to rest in.  I had the "rotation past stop" issue from day one actually.  It appeared to be a poor design of the throttle cam vs. the housing.   I ended up grinding off some of the cam so that it went past the original stop smoothly and basically "reset" the stop.  I wasn't too impressed with the whole housing/cam mechanism, not very smooth operating. 

are you guys talking about the part where

there are several outer cam parts, which interlock with the standard inner cam on the grip?
how does that come apart? i dont think there is room in my throttle housing for that to happen.
the cam sits in a nice slit that doesnt allow much play at all. maybe im not remembering exactly how it goes together

Mate, I haven't had the chance to pull it apart yet to see whats allowing it to move back beyond the normal idle stop position..... so I cant tell ya.  Although I'm sure its something in the grip thats the issue and not the throttle cable.  I think pompetta's issue sounds exactly like mine (ie the grip is beginning to move around on the throttle tube) so I'll start by looking there...

I have this issue as well with my sportline grips. Everything seems to function fine except for going "past the stop" how do i reset the stop or adjust this. I don not think the grip is slipping on the tube and so forth.

Any precautions or preemptive actions to take before installing a new pair?

Yup thats exactly like mine... Dunno what the answer is yet, but when I work it out I'll let you know...

...they're about 8-10mm shorter in length than your stock grips..... so you gonna need to either:
a) move the controls outboard to meet em.
b) cut the bars.
c) find something to fill the vacant 8-10mm of handlebar (I put my Class Retros there  ;)).

Already on top of it [thumbsup]

Got some Oberon Street Fighters to replace my Rizoma Reverse Retros, so I'll be grinding and shimming the controls.

Only slightly concerned after reading this thread... just not enough to return the grips. ;)

Found out what the problem with mine was....  The removable cam that comes with the grips had worn 2 very small grooves in it near to where the throttle cable nipple attaches, allowing it to rotate beyond its proper idle-stop position.  Presumably the wear was caused by contact with the aluminium throttle cable housing....  I replaced the cam with another of the same type and no more rotating past the idle stop point  [thumbsup]  Its a disapointingly cheap bit of gear though, especially given what Rizoma charges for this stuff. 

I wonder if anyone makes a metal one...

... even a less soft plastic one might be more durable...  when my new cam wears out I'll need to find another Suzuki buddy to rob ...lol

I just installed a set of the sporlines last night. As many who have already posted here, I was very disappointed with the overall quality of the throttle mechanism. The stock design is so much better. I was expecting a lot more from Rizoma. On top of that, they're not very comfortable.

Looks like I won't be switching out my grips anytime soon.  Thanks for the heads up on the quality guys.

I too have the sliding forward past the idle point...and found it was the soft plastic of the cam (2 groves) I had the importer give me a new cam....same deal....

any ideas on what I could do to build up the cam and strengthen it.....remember that 'liquid metal' that came in a tube...wonder if that would work.

and of course....we are all using the '2 stroke' labeled cam on our bikes!

No  kidding!!!!

Given that Rizoma makes a LOT of Ducati accessories, you'd think that they might go the extra mile and supply a throttle cam that actually fits our bikes.

I originally considered this, but acually went the other direction.  I ground down the cam so it would rotate past the "wimpy stop" to a more substantial portion of the cam to act as the stop.  Took some repeated tries to get the action smooth.

I have a simple solution to the cam problem.  I had a hard time geting the Rizoma cam to work on my 96 Monster, so I used a thin screwdriver to rip the throttle tube off the Rizoma grip then used the aluminum grip housing on the OEM throttle tube/cam assembly.  I had to sand the old tube so it'll fit and because I am paranoid, I used Gorilla glue between the aluminum and the plastic even though it was a snug fit.  I did this over a year ago, with no slippage/cam issues whatsoever.

I do agree that Rizoma could have done a better job with their cam, but it is what it is...   

Just got back from my first test ride...  :o

something needs fixing ASAP.

edit: glue is drying... [drink]

Currently in the process of finding a better glue that will actually bond to the plastic of the cam (I fabricated a little plastic corner piece to build up the edge of the cam). Tried gorilla glue as it was handy, but that failed instantly.

If anyone has any other ideas, I'm all ears!

edit: these guys have an "MV Agusta adapter" for 15 bucks. I wonder if that would be a better match.
http://cjmoto.com/-strse-3/Rizoma-Handlebar-Grips-Sport/Detail.bok (http://cjmoto.com/-strse-3/Rizoma-Handlebar-Grips-Sport/Detail.bok)

Are you sure it's plastic? The ones I've seen look like nylon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic#Nylon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic#Nylon)

Thermoplastic ???

nylon, plastic, PVC, polypropylene...whatever the the farck that its made of just aint durable enough... I think its actually made of craptonite.

What I was getting at is that plastic or nylon need different kind of adhesives. You are probably going to need a two part epoxy

I have to say thanks for this thread.  I'd be pissed to spend $150 on a set of bling bling grips that suck ass and require me to screw with them to even get them to work.

[laugh]

what did you use to replace it? where can I get one? (no friends with Suzukis) (http://www.vpsingles.com/pics/hairpulling.gif)

No friends with Suzukis?  No problem!  Just find somebody - anybody - with these grips fitted to something that aint using the "2-stroke" cam.  That'll buy you six months to find another similar "friend" so you can fix the issue all over again....  << repeat indefinitely ...lol

Except I had this problem on my very FIRST ride with them... right out of the box! [bang]

I remembered this thread and knew exactly what it was.

M900's idea seems like a good one... might investigate that..

My sportline has recently developed this problem as well... bummer.
In all honesty, I'm not to happy with the "comfort level" (or lack thereof) of the grips, so I'm probably going to look for something else.
It should hold up fine for the rest of the year though...

Glad I read this before I purchased a set, I like bling, but not if it doesn't work

My grips work fine. They really do.
The throttle side will rotate slightly past idle IF I FORCE IT... Normally when I'm riding, i let the throttle cable do the work.. Just let it snap back to idle... Not that huge of a deal to me...
They just transmit alot of vibration, which DOES bother me... But they are solid aluminum, i knew what i was getting myself into.

Mine does it if I force it too.  Problem is that it also does it if I dont force it and I beleieve that in time so will yours.  Unacceptable.  The comfort level doesnt bother me - as you say what can you expect from solid aluminium?  Its the price you pay for a little glitzy-bling.  But that after not long in operation they fail to function perfectly I cant accept.

I FIXED IT!!! Couldn't push it past idle no matter how hard I tried! Feels solid and no longer makes a half-assed sound when I let the throttle snap shut.

1. take the metal clip off the cap of a sharpie pen (needs to be a square-ended metal kind—find any pen with such a clip and see if it works)
2. cut off the last 8mm or so from the box end that attached to the pen
3. take that ~8mm piece and push it over the thin (medial) side of the grooved part of the cam (the part that gets chewed up the most). it should fit flush against everywhere it covers.

It should stick on pretty darn good because of the hooks that attached it to the plastic pen cap, but toothpick some super glue on for redundancy.

phew! [drink]

***DISCLAIMER: this mod will cause amputation and severe death! perform at your own risk!***

You would think $50+ grips wouldn't need to be modified with a sharpie pen to work properly.  Really disappointed with Rizoma with these.

Great fix  [thumbsup] Although - yeah, call me a foreigner - I actually have NFI what a sharpie pen is.  So in truth I cant picture your mod... but with your digital camera, you could picture it for me  ;D.  Hmm?

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I'll try to take a couple shots after work. It does sound a little vague...

Believe me folks, no one is more pissed at Rizoma than I am! Since I installed the grips I've been scouring the planet for little do-dads such as these to carve into the right shape. You'd think $50 would buy them a little R&D.

(http://www.sharpie.com/img/compel/XwnSAHYrRxVbPc6qpj-MyeRDVs2r8guN/sh_pen_uf_blk_on_v2.jpg)

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You guys are using the 2 stroke cam?  ???

How? Mine only has one hole but I have two throttle cables.

696 issue (photos above).

Yeah, I was posting while those pics were posted so I didn't see them.

The 696 must have a different cable setup than my m750. I have two cables coming from the carbs.

Only the older Monsters use 2 cables. My old 800 and current S2R1000 use 1...

Hey Holden... nice mod to fix an issue that shouldnt exist....  I'm just a little concerned that the Sharpie mod could become detached from the craptonite cam causing the throttle to jam (possibly in the open position)??

A valid concern... I'm actually re-doing it without glue (expanded and changed the position... it was too easy to yank off). I'm going to try clamping it on real good with pliers. The 'teeth' should embed in the cam and keep it snug. If that doesn't work, I'm going to find a small nail and nail it in place if that's possible. I've even considered just using a nail (the flat head would act as the stop) if I could find one the right size.

I guess I should put a disclaimer on the miracle mod. :P

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can anyone explain how the 2 stroke cam works? it looks (and when i tried to test fit, seemed to indeed be) much too big for the throttle housing.

my stupid throttle cable is about an inch too long, and im getting really frusterated. i was hoping it was a rizoma throttle tube issue, but it seems like its too long to simply be that.

the throttle cable came from ducati for a m750ie *(which is indeed my bike so i have no clue why it doesnt fit. i have clipons but wtf would that matter?!?!)

ok, so I had been thinking about taking apart my throttle and clarifying my previous post with pictures, but never did.  A recent unfortunate driveway tipover neccessitated the removal of the bar end mirror et al, so I figured what the heck, take apart the throttle tube and take some pics.  So, the deal was/is the 2 stroke cam, which best approximates the stock ducati cam, is poorly formed at the throttle closed position, eventually (or initially) leading to a situation where the throttle closed position "sticks".  This results from the "ramp" of the initial cam curve near the cable attachment, impacting the inside of the housing and not allowing a positive "stop" with the end of the cam.  So instead of building up the ramp as some have done, I ground it off so that the stop would be the square edge of the cam, providing a positive non wearing interface. Pictures below of the modified cam:

(http://arb.smugmug.com/photos/630465945_unLvw-M.jpg)

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In the following picture, the small gap on the left inside between housing and cam would not be present if left stock.
(http://arb.smugmug.com/photos/630465792_QDJTm-M.jpg)

So it actually stops on the end of the cam? (here)|<---2  STROKES

Is there a lot more loose free play now? or is the new point where it stops that much farther back?

Sounds good!

If I understand your diagram, you are referring to the left vertical shoulder in my second picture.  However, this is looking from the perspective of the center of the triple, so the rotation of the cam to throttle closed position is to the right, so the stop is actually the right vertical shoulder in this picture, or:  2  STROKES---->|



I am able to adjust the throttle cable so there is no free play at throttle closed.

...I digress. [laugh]

As long as it works as it should! I will try this myself once I figure out how to adjust the throttle cable accordingly.

Sorry for butting in, just bored at work stickin my nose in all of the treads.  You might want to leave a little slop in the cable when it is closed.  If it is tight, you are gonna bump the throttle everytime the road bumps you. 

-back to minding my own business now-

I agree. I left a tiny bit of slack when I put mine on. I haven't had a problem with mine yet...

The Sportlines look really good (IMO) with the Conical Bar Ends.  Not so much with the LUX.
(http://i26.tinypic.com/rj06wy.jpg)

Yup, I agree the sportlines w/conical bar ends do look great - had that exact combo on my 696.  If only they worked (for more than 6 months) as well as they look then this thread wouldnt exist.

Ah, I went back and really read from page one.  I was late to this party!

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Damn Pompetta, that is one snazzy handlebar/triple setup.  I wouldn't be able to watch the road for staring at all of the bling.

So if the Rizoma Sportline are crap whats the better option to get some nice looking Billet Grips? Driven? Any brands that someone can recommend that hold up and arent crap?