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Title: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: derby on July 23, 2009, 05:25:14 AM Schedule
(left coast times) Friday, 24 July 2009 125 FP1 04:40 - 05:40 MotoGP FP1 05:55 - 06:55 250 FP1 07:10 - 08:10 Saturday, 25 July 2009 125 FP2 01:00 - 01:40 MotoGP FP2 01:55 - 02:55 250 FP2 03:10 - 04:10 125 QP 05:00 - 05:40 MotoGP QP 05:55 - 06:55 250 QP 07:10 - 07:55 Sunday, 26 July 2009 125 WUP 01:40 - 02:00 250 WUP 02:10 - 02:30 MotoGP WUP 02:40 - 03:00 125 RAC 04:30 250 RAC 05:45 MotoGP RAC 07:30 Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (FP1 Spoilers) Post by: derby on July 24, 2009, 06:51:33 AM FP1 Results
1. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 1min 38.627 sec 2. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 38.872 sec 3. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 38.917 sec 4. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1min 39.069 sec 5. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 39.105 sec 6. Marco Melandri ITA Hayate Racing Team 1min 39.130 sec 7. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1min 39.209 sec 8. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 39.379 sec 9. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 39.755 sec 10. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 40.116 sec 11. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 40.419 sec 12. James Toseland GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 40.522 sec 13. Gabor Talmacsi HUN Scot Racing Team MotoGP 1min 40.850 sec 14. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 41.467 sec 15. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1min 41.861 sec 16. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 42.210 sec 17. Niccolo Canepa ITA Pramac Racing 1min 42.696 sec Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (FP1 Spoilers) Post by: Spidey on July 24, 2009, 12:46:43 PM My first reaction to the article's title? There is no way Eunuchy McHalfpint is a top. [laugh]
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/150244/1/pedrosa_great_to_be_on_top.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/150244/1/pedrosa_great_to_be_on_top.html) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Qualy Spoilers) Post by: Spidey on July 25, 2009, 05:25:04 AM Saturday Practice
1. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 1min 28.787 sec 2. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 28.957 sec 3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 29.096 sec 4. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 29.164 sec 5. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 29.641 sec 6. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 30.078 sec 7. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1min 30.145 sec 8. Marco Melandri ITA Hayate Racing Team 1min 30.210 sec 9. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1min 30.313 sec 10. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1min 30.329 sec 11. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 30.421 sec 12. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 30.559 sec 13. James Toseland GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 30.638 sec 14. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 30.798 sec 15. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 30.882 sec 16. Gabor Talmacsi HUN Scot Racing Team MotoGP 1min 31.003 sec 17. Niccolo Canepa ITA Pramac Racing 1min 31.681 sec Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Qualy Spoilers) Post by: Spidey on July 25, 2009, 05:25:28 AM Qualifying
1. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 28.116 sec 2. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 1min 28.211 sec 3. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 28.402 sec 4. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 28.446 sec 5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1min 28.778 sec 6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 28.865 sec 7. Marco Melandri ITA Hayate Racing Team 1min 29.065 sec 8. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 29.175 sec 9. James Toseland GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 29.270 sec 10. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1min 29.434 sec 11. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1min 29.599 sec 12. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 29.600 sec 13. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 30.098 sec 14. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 30.153 sec 15. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 30.268 sec 16. Niccolo Canepa ITA Pramac Racing 1min 30.572 sec 17. Gabor Talmacsi HUN Scot Racing Team MotoGP 1min 31.193 sec Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Qualy Spoilers) Post by: Xiphias on July 25, 2009, 06:20:16 AM Too bad for Nicky....WSBK is calling
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Qualy Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 26, 2009, 06:24:24 AM That was a fun race to watch. Man I was screaming for Colin to take that victory. It would have been nice to have a satellite bike up on the top step.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 26, 2009, 06:54:43 AM 1. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 48min 26.267 sec
2. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 48min 27.627 sec 3. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 48min 27.867 sec 4. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 48min 35.225 sec 5. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 48min 47.889 sec 6. James Toseland GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 48min 48.732 sec 7. Marco Melandri ITA Hayate Racing Team 49min 1.551 sec 8. Niccolo Canepa ITA Pramac Racing 49min 5.036 sec 9. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 49min 8.379 sec 10. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 49min 12.112 sec 11. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 49min 19.457 sec 12. Gabor Talmacsi HUN Scot Racing Team MotoGP 49min 38.582 sec 13. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 49min 46.665 sec 14. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1 lap 15. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1 lap DNF: Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: desmoquattro on July 26, 2009, 08:07:46 AM That race looks like it was utter chaos. Can't wait to see it later...
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: ZLTFUL on July 26, 2009, 02:13:18 PM Far and away the best race of the season so far.
And Rossi crashing out of the lead then finishing 5th...classic! Exactly why Rossi who he is. And Randy's interview after the race..."I look back and see Colin and say sheet!" [laugh] Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: MrFryMoto on July 26, 2009, 02:23:23 PM i missed the first few laps - what happened to stoner?!
??? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 26, 2009, 02:46:33 PM i missed the first few laps - what happened to stoner?! ??? Stoner and Hayden gambled starting on wet tires when everyone else was on slicks, hoping for a downpour and nabbing 1st and 2nd place. Instead, the rain never fell heavy enough to warrant full wets and they got lapped while finishing dead last. It was "all in" as Hayden might say. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: IZ on July 26, 2009, 03:42:08 PM Far and away the best race of the season so far. And Rossi crashing out of the lead then finishing 5th...classic! Exactly why Rossi who he is. And Randy's interview after the race..."I look back and see Colin and say sheet!" [laugh] oh yeah!! [thumbsup] Re: Randy's comment..I had to rewind that to make sure I heard it right. [laugh] BTW..after watching it several times, I'm still not sure how Lorenzo went down?? ??? He was going straight..wasn't leaning yet..was it the whiteline Thought I heard the announcers say spmething like that?? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: swampduc on July 26, 2009, 03:49:17 PM oh yeah!! [thumbsup] Yeah, lost traction in the stripes/paint.Re: Randy's comment..I had to rewind that to make sure I heard it right. [laugh] BTW..after watching it several times, I'm still not sure how Lorenzo went down?? ??? He was going straight..wasn't leaning yet..was it the whiteline Thought I heard the announcers say spmething like that?? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: TiNi on July 26, 2009, 03:53:20 PM oh yeah!! [thumbsup] Re: Randy's comment..I had to rewind that to make sure I heard it right. [laugh] BTW..after watching it several times, I'm still not sure how Lorenzo went down?? ??? He was going straight..wasn't leaning yet..was it the whiteline Thought I heard the announcers say spmething like that?? i think it was the painted lines at the edge of the track i'd like to see a replay of rossi's crash... way to go SPEED [roll] ducati marlboro team took a huge gamble today, and lost. i don't get it... why would they send both riders out on their rain tires ??? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: IZ on July 26, 2009, 03:59:27 PM i think it was the painted lines at the edge of the track i'd like to see a replay of rossi's crash... way to go SPEED [roll] ducati marlboro team took a huge gamble today, and lost. i don't get it... why would they send both riders out on their rain tires ??? Last and 2nd to last..!! :-X Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 26, 2009, 04:05:40 PM i think it was the painted lines at the edge of the track i'd like to see a replay of rossi's crash... way to go SPEED [roll] ducati marlboro team took a huge gamble today, and lost. i don't get it... why would they send both riders out on their rain tires ??? As far as I've heard, Stoner and Hayden chose to stick with the wets even though Suppo asked them to consider slicks, since the rest of the field was on slicks. Suppo told Schwanz before the start that Ducati was either going to be seen as a hero or idiots today. He admitted being an idiot afterwards. As far as Rossi's crash, he just lost the rear end coming into the esses and had a low speed lowside. The bike didn't get busted up too bad. Just some damage to the left handlebar/clutch lever. Lorenzo simply had the front tuck out underneath him when he braked hard on the center of what looks to be a freshly painted white stripe. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: superjohn on July 26, 2009, 04:15:34 PM Nice podium for Edwards [thumbsup]
His post-race interview was even funnier than any of Hayden's. Between the foreign guys cursing in English and the Texan in between them, it as an entertaining interview. [laugh] Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: IZ on July 26, 2009, 04:18:27 PM Lorenzo simply had the front tuck out underneath him when he braked hard on the center of what looks to be a freshly painted white stripe. OK..hard brake on the paint. Edwards..first time on podium since..what.. 06? 07?! Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: TiNi on July 26, 2009, 04:20:53 PM OK..hard brake on the paint. Edwards..first time on podium since..what.. 06? 07?! derby will know ;) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: fastwin on July 26, 2009, 04:31:05 PM Nice podium for Edwards [thumbsup] His post-race interview was even funnier than any of Hayden's. Between the foreign guys cursing in English and the Texan in between them, it as an entertaining interview. [laugh] Yeah, I loved the way De Puniet even said s#@t in English when he spoke! I may be wrong but I swear it sounded like he said it! [thumbsup] I know damn good and well he didn't say merde! [thumbsup] Pretty cool interview, I just wish Dovi had said more... he deserved it! Sweet ride for him! Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: superjohn on July 26, 2009, 05:02:46 PM Yeah, I loved the way De Puniet even said s#@t in English when he spoke! I may be wrong but I swear it sounded like he said it! [thumbsup] I know damn good and well he didn't say merde! [thumbsup] Pretty cool interview, I just wish Dovi had said more... he deserved it! Sweet ride for him! Oh, he definitely said shit. [laugh] It was almost as funny as the microphones catching Jenson Button's reaction to Fernando Alonso's qualifying times yesterday [laugh] Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: derby on July 26, 2009, 05:20:52 PM you guys must've missed rdp's comments about his getoff at the previous round when he said "giant ass highside..."
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: gm2 on July 26, 2009, 05:22:55 PM OK..hard brake on the paint. Edwards..first time on podium since..what.. 06? 07?! he had 2 last year Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: gm2 on July 26, 2009, 05:24:38 PM i don't get it... why would they send both riders out on their rain tires ??? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77359 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77359) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: derby on July 26, 2009, 05:43:53 PM http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Ducati+riders+stand+by+Donington+tyre+decision (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Ducati+riders+stand+by+Donington+tyre+decision)
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: IZ on July 26, 2009, 06:11:15 PM http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Ducati+riders+stand+by+Donington+tyre+decision (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Ducati+riders+stand+by+Donington+tyre+decision) Coulda' .. shoulda'.. :-\ What a disaster! GM2..2 for Edwards last year? We're those at the beginning of the season. It's been so long..I can't remember the last time I've seen him up there!! Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: ducpainter on July 26, 2009, 06:17:12 PM wow
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: kopfjäger on July 26, 2009, 06:27:19 PM At least nobody made any excuses. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: El Matador on July 26, 2009, 07:42:40 PM WTF?
Seriously, that was an interesting race. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Spidey on July 26, 2009, 07:57:01 PM That was a pretty dumb race to watch. WTF? Glad Dovi got the win though.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: redxblack on July 26, 2009, 08:10:21 PM That was a pretty dumb race to watch. WTF? Glad Dovi got the win though. +1It was nice to hear Stoner not whinge about the decision to run wet tires. He took this one on the chin, no excuses. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: ZLTFUL on July 27, 2009, 04:54:05 AM That was a pretty dumb race to watch. WTF? Glad Dovi got the win though. Why? Because it was actually a race and involved strategy and a whole bunch of balls? Or was it because 2 riders didn't run away from the rest of the field and then end up finishing 15 seconds ahead of them with 3 seconds between 1st and 2nd? In case you missed some of the more important parts of the race... The person who finished 2nd was nearly last at one point of the race. 1 race leader crashed out. 1 person who had a shot at making it on the podium crashed out. 1 race leader crashed and remounted back in 11th or 12th place and still managed to finish in 5th. Crashy McSmurf got passed by alot of people. The winner was on the top of the podium for the first time in his premier class career. Second and third place were on the podium for their first times this year. A team with one of the championship contenders made a HUGE gamble and lost. Some teams chose to swap bikes with less than 10 laps left. To me, and I may be grasping here but having a race where the lead actually changes regularly, where things are actually happening throughout the race, where the leaders aren't winning by more than 5 seconds over the rest of the field...it was refreshing. Don't get me wrong...the Rossi/Lorenzo battles of late have been spectacular but hardly the stuff that make great races. This...THIS was a great race, start to finish. From Championship points leader to back marker, everyone had some part in this race. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: zooom on July 27, 2009, 05:00:21 AM I agree with ZLTFUL....but one of the other things that made this race great IMHO is the fact that very clearly the traction control systems were the right wrist of each rider and how much or how little they twisted and wrung em out....and personally...I think that is where it is at and one of the things I majorly miss from the 990 era....I think traction control robs the audience of seeing moreso where and why these guys are exactly where they are....rain is the great equalizer IMHO and this was just one of the finest examples of exactly that!
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: tufty on July 27, 2009, 05:58:17 AM It was interesting that Herve Ponche-whatever-his-name-is, said that in his opinion the only thing between Colin and the top step of the podium was "Parts!"
(That was for all you satellite and factory bikes are the same crowd.) ;) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 06:13:06 AM GM2..2 for Edwards last year? We're those at the beginning of the season. It's been so long..I can't remember the last time I've seen him up there!! le mans and assen.. first half of the year. before michelin went completely off the reservation. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2009, 07:18:13 AM That is a bit surprising that a team would run BOTH riders on wet tires.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Spidey on July 27, 2009, 08:52:40 AM Why? Because it was actually a race and involved strategy and a whole bunch of balls? Or was it because 2 riders didn't run away from the rest of the field and then end up finishing 15 seconds ahead of them with 3 seconds between 1st and 2nd? In case you missed some of the more important parts of the race... The person who finished 2nd was nearly last at one point of the race. 1 race leader crashed out. 1 person who had a shot at making it on the podium crashed out. 1 race leader crashed and remounted back in 11th or 12th place and still managed to finish in 5th. Crashy McSmurf got passed by alot of people. The winner was on the top of the podium for the first time in his premier class career. Second and third place were on the podium for their first times this year. A team with one of the championship contenders made a HUGE gamble and lost. Some teams chose to swap bikes with less than 10 laps left. To me, and I may be grasping here but having a race where the lead actually changes regularly, where things are actually happening throughout the race, where the leaders aren't winning by more than 5 seconds over the rest of the field...it was refreshing. Don't get me wrong...the Rossi/Lorenzo battles of late have been spectacular but hardly the stuff that make great races. This...THIS was a great race, start to finish. From Championship points leader to back marker, everyone had some part in this race. I definitely don't want to see Rossi and Lorenzo battle it out for every race, 10 seconds ahead of everyone else. That said, the race still sucked. The only 'strategy' was whether to stay out on wets. And the choice came so late in the race, there wasn't a choice for the leaders. They were stuck out there on slicks and just had to ride through it. Not what I'd call an exciting strategy race. Ducati took a big gamble and as a result, we didn't get to see one of the championship leaders compete in the race. Not really exciting when one of th leaders is out from the start. There were two crashes that had almost nothing to do with whether the rider was on the limit or pushing it. Just stupid wet white lines. Not exciting. Wet weather riding on slicks, where the riders are creeping through turns, is not exciting. The passing in the wet on slicks is not exciting. Basically, the race was like watching a crapshoot. Too much chance and unpredictability that had nothing to do with racing or with riding. Not interesting. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Desmostro on July 27, 2009, 09:09:51 AM Best 2 quotes both from Colin Edwards in his most delicate "agricultural language." [laugh]
"Paradise Island, what would we do without it?" "I'm getin' too old for this shit... I just wanna finish this damn race I don't care I just wana get off this bike... then right at the end I saw him an' - well I'm gona have to have a go." [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Way to go COLIN! [thumbsup] Here's my question, what happened to intermediate tires? I only heard slicks and full wet mentioned. There's no tire for a little rain? Why did it have to be this "big gamble." Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: zooom on July 27, 2009, 09:17:23 AM Here's my question, what happened to intermediate tires? I only heard slicks and full wet mentioned. There's no tire for a little rain? Why did it have to be this "big gamble." or even some hand cut slicks!?!?!? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: kopfjäger on July 27, 2009, 09:29:11 AM One time I would like to see a MotoGP race where they reverse the field. Just once.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 27, 2009, 10:22:00 AM One time I would like to see a MotoGP race where they reverse the field. Just once. At least penalize Pedro 5 grid positions on a per race basis or enforce a "three brick rule" in his belly pan to negate the migit start effect. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: ZLTFUL on July 27, 2009, 10:31:17 AM I definitely don't want to see Rossi and Lorenzo battle it out for every race, 10 seconds ahead of everyone else. That said, the race still sucked. The only 'strategy' was whether to stay out on wets. And the choice came so late in the race, there wasn't a choice for the leaders. They were stuck out there on slicks and just had to ride through it. Not what I'd call an exciting strategy race. Ducati took a big gamble and as a result, we didn't get to see one of the championship leaders compete in the race. Not really exciting when one of th leaders is out from the start. There were two crashes that had almost nothing to do with whether the rider was on the limit or pushing it. Just stupid wet white lines. Not exciting. Wet weather riding on slicks, where the riders are creeping through turns, is not exciting. The passing in the wet on slicks is not exciting. Basically, the race was like watching a crapshoot. Too much chance and unpredictability that had nothing to do with racing or with riding. Not interesting. Well then I guess we will respectfully disagree over a bottle of Templeton Rye... Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: DanTheMan on July 27, 2009, 11:28:39 AM I think the wet races have been the best races all year. brings back the suprise to racing. Otherwise its been the same top 4 all year [roll]. Really wanted to see Colin get the W.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: superjohn on July 27, 2009, 11:36:13 AM I thought the race was great as well. I'm convinced that there's a general negative reinforcement loop propagating some notion that racing so so much better in the good old days. Having gone back and watched some of those old races in Indycar (CART/USAC whatever), F1, and motorcycles I'm convinced that racing now is every bit as good as it used to be.
Asbestos underwear donned. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 12:34:35 PM has the quality of racing gone downhill since the switch to 800s? definitely. but the mono tire is helping. and i think everyone realizes what a perfect storm of a year 2007 was... so, whatever.
Donington for me this year was not too bad, but really it was more suspenseful than it was 'good'. i would have liked to have seen what lorenzo and elias would have done with the rest of that race. among other things. glad to see the "aliens" not walk away with it again. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: OT on July 27, 2009, 12:55:29 PM [evil] Published on Friday.....
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: superjohn on July 27, 2009, 01:05:34 PM [evil] Published on Friday..... http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html) Really? I thought Rossi got along with Stoner? Has there been prior comments that I missed, or is this sort of out of the blue? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: kopfjäger on July 27, 2009, 01:17:16 PM Really? I thought Rossi got along with Stoner? Has there been prior comments that I missed, or is this sort of out of the blue? He's just mad about WW II. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: OT on July 27, 2009, 01:20:47 PM I thought the race was great as well. I'm convinced that there's a general negative reinforcement loop propagating some notion that racing so so much better in the good old days. Having gone back and watched some of those old races in Indycar (CART/USAC whatever), F1, and motorcycles I'm convinced that racing now is every bit as good as it used to be. Asbestos underwear donned. IMO it wasn't better 'back then', just different......like most things in sports and life. Perhaps it's safer now, if anything. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Drjones on July 27, 2009, 01:53:12 PM [evil] Published on Friday..... http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html) Reverse psychology? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: superjohn on July 27, 2009, 01:53:35 PM He's just mad about WW II. Well, after reading his book, I don't think he likes the press very well because they've attributed things to him that he claims were either said in jest, or didn't say at all. I'm interested in whether this is being portrayed as Valentino intended. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Triple J on July 27, 2009, 02:20:04 PM [evil] Published on Friday..... http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html) Sounds like Rossi trying to get in his head to me. ...but he's right to a certain extent. Stoner does prefer to just ride out front for the win. It was noticeable last season after Laguna when he crashed a couple times while out front and pushing too hard trying to break Rossi. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Desmostro on July 27, 2009, 04:19:29 PM Wooo spicy. Who knows, but there seems to be a little truth in some of that. I think Stoner is an excellent racer for so many obvious reasons but IMHO could improve a little in the areas Rossi just pointed out. That however, was definitely a gauntlet across the face saying it to a magazine. That was not just a comment someone overheard.
+1 Rossi playing with his head [evil] Published on Friday..... http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-stoner-is-not-a-great-fighter/7600.html) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: superjohn on July 28, 2009, 02:33:15 AM http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-to-wear-dainese-airbag-suit-at-donington/7603.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/motogp-rossi-to-wear-dainese-airbag-suit-at-donington/7603.html)
From the same site. I don't recall seeing it inflate when Rossi took his spill. I don't think I quite trust that particular websites content. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: derby on July 28, 2009, 05:35:50 AM ...chose not to wear it due to the rain.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Pakhan on July 28, 2009, 05:50:15 AM ...chose not to wear it due to the rain. due to comfort or does it not work right in the rain? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: tufty on July 28, 2009, 06:21:32 AM IMO it wasn't better 'back then', just different......like most things in sports and life. Perhaps it's safer now, if anything. Safer? Don't most crashes happen in the corners? The 800's carry way more corner speed than the 990's. Imo traction control is the biggest contributer to safety not displacement and they're talking about making it illegal, go figure. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Triple J on July 28, 2009, 06:32:25 AM due to comfort or does it not work right in the rain? I'm guessing he knew he was more likely to crash in the rain...and get up and continue, so he didn't want a suit inflating on him. ??? Derby will correct me if I'm wrong though. ;D Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: DanTheMan on July 28, 2009, 08:36:14 AM ...or does it not work right in the rain? "Incase of a water landing, your Dianese-air-bag vest will act as a flotation device" Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 28, 2009, 09:22:17 AM I'm guessing he knew he was more likely to crash in the rain...and get up and continue, so he didn't want a suit inflating on him. ??? Derby will correct me if I'm wrong though. ;D I agree with this statement. As helpful as the airbag suits may be, they would also hinder the rider in being able to continue a race if they are able to remount. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 28, 2009, 09:35:17 AM Check this snip I found from the Times uk.
Quote For some reason, the Donington crowd hates Casey Stoner, even though the Australian has won here for the past two years. So the 2007 world champion decided to give them something proper to boo by being the only rider, along with Ducati team-mate, Nicky Hayden, to choose wet tyres - and circulate around eight seconds a lap slower than everyone else. The pair finished at the back, with Stoner fourteenth and Hayden behind him, both lapped by Dovizioso. That is called dropping a clanger. [laugh]Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: superjohn on July 28, 2009, 02:43:28 PM I agree with this statement. As helpful as the airbag suits may be, they would also hinder the rider in being able to continue a race if they are able to remount. Couldn't be that a website could be full of shit? That's the point I was getting at. I'll believe it when I see the stories in some of the more mainstream press. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: kopfjäger on July 28, 2009, 03:46:32 PM I agree with this statement. As helpful as the airbag suits may be, they would also hinder the rider in being able to continue a race if they are able to remount. Dainese airbag suit for 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo9Vlt5tGwY#lq-lq2-hq-vhq) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: DanTheMan on July 28, 2009, 06:27:19 PM From the video, it looks useless. I was expecting more chest protection. That just looks like collerbone and neck but if your going feet first, it slides out of the way?
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: OT on July 28, 2009, 06:31:28 PM Safer? [off topic] Sorry - I meant "safer" as in fewer racers getting maimed and killed in motorsports for a host of reasons.Don't most crashes happen in the corners? The 800's carry way more corner speed than the 990's. Imo traction control is the biggest contributer to safety not displacement and they're talking about making it illegal, go figure. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Desmostro on July 28, 2009, 07:33:13 PM I'm guessing he knew he was more likely to crash in the rain...and get up and continue, so he didn't want a suit inflating on him. ??? Derby will correct me if I'm wrong though. ;D If you look closely in the race video - I thought I saw Rossi, while loosing the back end - instead of trying to save it and high side, he turned the bars exaggerating the low side and just put it down. I suppose I'm assuming that was on purpose once he starting loosing the back end. Then he was able to get back on & finish the race in the top 5. That foocker is quite the master. Ok "perfect" is not crashing, but if you're going to I mean... Shmart. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: gm2 on July 29, 2009, 06:27:09 AM From the video, it looks useless. I was expecting more chest protection. That just looks like collerbone and neck but if your going feet first, it slides out of the way? neck and collarbone protection is useless?? Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Pakhan on July 29, 2009, 08:18:29 AM I agree with this statement. As helpful as the airbag suits may be, they would also hinder the rider in being able to continue a race if they are able to remount. Watch the video, the airbag pops off with the pull of some string. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 29, 2009, 08:24:26 AM Yeah, saw that, pretty nifty.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: DanTheMan on July 29, 2009, 08:27:55 AM neck and collarbone protection is useless?? no but the way its secured looks like it'll move out of the intended position. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Desmostro on July 29, 2009, 10:06:40 AM And now I'd like to see the "high-side" video please. [roll]
It seems like the neck is the most vulnerable place on a cyclist in full gear. I mean look at us. In full armor, naked neck, holding up a 12 pound head plus helmet. It's crazy. It looks like it keeps the head/neck from thrashing around in a way that it would break even if the airbag folded up going feet first. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Desmostro on July 29, 2009, 10:09:55 AM PS
I love the hug he gets at the end of the crash in the video. Rip cord release, rock star pose, B I G hug. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: kopfjäger on July 29, 2009, 11:14:20 AM PS I love the hug he gets at the end of the crash in the video. Rip cord release, rock star pose, hug. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] The extra couple of rolls were good as well. :D Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Grampa on July 29, 2009, 02:37:25 PM The extra couple of rolls were good as well. :D that was to put the flames out Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Desmostro on July 29, 2009, 03:13:23 PM that was to put the flames out [laugh] [laugh] ROTFLMAO I wonder if that's what Dainese does at their corporate team spirit days. [roll] They all must get together around a table with donuts and coffee and take turns dumping the bike and having a little roll on the tarmac followed by a group hug. People at the water cooler cheer; and snicker at the fat ones. [popcorn] Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 29, 2009, 04:23:50 PM How does the airbag know when to inflate? I don't see a lanyard or anything and I paused the video where it inflates. He's still got both hands on the handlebars so he hasn't left the bike yet. Are there impact sensors on the side of the suit or something? What happens if some close racing happens and you bang into another rider? Do you puff up while still on the bike?
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: kopfjäger on July 29, 2009, 05:37:12 PM http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Products/productsresults/Video/2009/May/may2109-dainese-airbag-video/?&R=EPI-115112 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Products/productsresults/Video/2009/May/may2109-dainese-airbag-video/?&R=EPI-115112)
http://2wheeltuesday.com/2009/07/motogp-rossi-lorenzo-to-wear-dainese-airbag-leather-suits-for-first-time-during-competition/ (http://2wheeltuesday.com/2009/07/motogp-rossi-lorenzo-to-wear-dainese-airbag-leather-suits-for-first-time-during-competition/) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: OT on July 29, 2009, 05:49:01 PM Listening to those two guys talk made me hungry..... ;D
BTW - this concept had been tried in the '70s but was shelved due to a cut in government funding: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/54/039_20431~Woody-Allen-in-Sleeper-Posters.jpg (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/54/039_20431~Woody-Allen-in-Sleeper-Posters.jpg) Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Grampa on July 30, 2009, 05:19:18 AM People at the water cooler cheer; and snicker at the fat ones. [popcorn] roll'n a fatty Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Desmostro on July 30, 2009, 12:14:43 PM How does the airbag know when to inflate? ... http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Products/productsresults/Video/2009/May/may2109-dainese-airbag-video/?&R=EPI-115112 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Products/productsresults/Video/2009/May/may2109-dainese-airbag-video/?&R=EPI-115112) I didn't read it, what does it say? It opens when someone pinches a fresh one in their shorts? I tried listening to Valentino and the D-Tech guys explain it. It was kind of hard to hear but they said it goes off when there is a violent change in acceleration. The accelerometers are tuned to respond in situations where you'd need it and not when you don't need it. Vale is asking if it goes off when you wave really fast. They said no. That video showed a suit with internal airbags. Pretty dang cool [thumbsup] Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Jester on July 30, 2009, 08:41:44 PM Quote Rider and track safety have improved over the years, and now manufacturers are working on airbags that prevent head and neck injuries. Spidi introduced an airbag for riders in 1999, and Alpinestars and Dainese are working on their own airbag systems. The Spidi airbag is worn over a jacket or leathers, and the Alpinestars and Dainese airbags are incorporated into racing leathers. All three of the manufacturers use an airbag that inflates around the rider's head and neck. The Spidi system is activated by a cord that is attached to the handlebars. When a rider crashes and is thrown from the bike the cord is pulled and the bags inflate. The system has been criticized because it will not inflate if the rider isn't thrown from the bike and because the system will inflate if a rider forgets about the cord when they are getting off the bike. The Alpinestars and Dainese systems use gyroscopes and motion sensors to detect crashes and inflate the airbags. Alpinestars Advanced Safety Technology incorporates the sensors into a rider mounted telemetry system that they have been using for several years. That system includes acceleration sensors, a central logging unit, two GPS units, an inertial motion unit and a display board. Both companies are still evaluating the rider data they've accumulated, and are perfecting their systems to insure that the airbags "inflate predictably in the right circumstances". Dainese has been developing their D-air® Racing airbag with Grand Prix riders, and had their first deployment of an airbag under race conditions at Valencia in 2007. In the years since they first started to develop the system they have reduced the volume of the sack, redistributed protective areas, increased the system's inflation pressure and programmed the airbag to deflate after 10 seconds. The latest version of the airbag is contained inside the suit so when the airbag is deployed the suit expands. Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: zooom on July 31, 2009, 02:18:43 AM next it will be Bluetooth connected to the bike's telemetry controls and computer and when the bike reads something(s) abnormal or outside of normal logged data from practise and other logged info they collect and and program and save, then the airbag will deploy.
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: triangleforge on August 03, 2009, 02:03:07 PM I was wondering what the little bracket under the exhaust on the left side of the bike was for and then I realized -- it must be to lift the rear wheel & make sure the bike actually lowsides in a fairly controlled manner instead of losing the front or highsiding. Would have been kind of embarrassing had he crashed it before he got into camera range...
Title: Re: 2009 MotoGP Round 10 - Donington Park (Race Spoilers) Post by: Speeddog on August 14, 2009, 06:21:44 PM Just stumbled across a pic of Nicky's front tire after the race:
(http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/mx2009gbr1/image/t_CIMG1971-2) |