I received this filter in what appeared to be a legitimate Ducati box, complete with serial numbers etc on it - which matched with the number on the filter - sorry, no pics of the box.
But the filter - now I've seen a few, and the ones I'm familiar with have a slightly more matte finish - call it satin black - this one is gloss.
There was also more "warning" type on the one I removed (which I binned the day before removing this one from box, so no direct photo comparison - I left the bike to drain overnight) - in various languages. This one has some, but not as much.
The white type that is on there is very shabby-looking - it's plain to see from the photos.
Finally, there is overspray of the black paint onto the filter rim - the part that is usually (IME) just bare metal.
Anyone else seen a fiilter looking like this...?
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6740_136052784618_658444618_3186499_50172_n.jpg)
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6740_136052789618_658444618_3186500_3370660_n.jpg)
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6740_136052794618_658444618_3186501_4948263_n.jpg)
(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6740_136052799618_658444618_3186502_3897393_n.jpg)
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6740_136052804618_658444618_3186503_2980177_n.jpg)
was there a clear white protective film over the top of it? it looks like someone is faking them or something.
no film.
I wonder if anyone has another original part one laying around that we can compare to?
i clearly recall my ducati oem filter having GRAY lettering with good quality screen printing, rather than poor quality white screen printing...
Hmmm - yes, the one I pulled off definitely looked different to this one. That's not to say that they haven't "changed" their suppliers or something - but this seriously looks like a cheap knock off - at least on the outside.
I wonder what the caper is here? Why would they go to the trouble of making a cheap knock off, and putting it into a "proper" Ducati box?
This is a pic I found online of an OEM filter - the old one looked just like this. The box I got with the new one, looked just like this - but you can clearly see the difference in the printing on the filter... and the paint/rim >:(
(http://www.motocorsaitaliano.com/images/DucatiOilFilter.jpg)
And here's another shot from somewhere else - different printing again - no overspray though - I wonder if Ducati outsource to various suppliers?
(http://www.desmotosport.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/35ee077158aed4d01d323772209d597d.jpg)
Another legitimate looking one...
(https://www.e-securedsite.com/motowheels/italian/images/lg75950463.jpg)
Quote from: GraGra on July 30, 2009, 06:07:39 AM
Hmmm - yes, the one I pulled off definitely looked different to this one. That's not to say that they haven't "changed" their suppliers or something - but this seriously looks like a cheap knock off - at least on the outside.
I wonder what the caper is here? Why would they go to the trouble of making a cheap knock off, and putting it into a "proper" Ducati box?
There is the possibility Ducati may be using different manufacturers for different markets to offset the cost of world wide shipping. Or (most likely, in this case) not. I would forward these photos and your questions to Ducati. Counterfeiters have been doing this for a long time. I've even seen it with inexpensive AC Delco parts
yes, I think from what I have now found on the 'net - there seems to be some variances in the OEM filters available - but all seem to be consistent in their finish quality (from what I can see) - and do not suffer the sloppy overspray and blurred printing of my example... :-X
The boxes and stickers are probably easier to counterfeit than the filter. There is probably some good money to be made selling bogus Ducati filters. I noticed the "old" round Ducati logo on the *new* filter???
where did you get the filter? maybe these are like "factory seconds"?
I've never gotten an oil filter, no matter what the vehicle, that didn't come with a plastic film over the top of the filter. If I got one without the film I would return it.
I'm in the looks sketchy camp. Like Erik, I've never seen a new one without that film
I have one just like it. Got it from a legit dealer in Maryland. I also have an older one in my stash. The new one came with a little built-in rust around the threads. Just like most of the old Alfa stuff. The old one is still rust free. The old one had a spring loaded relief valve visible through the hole. The new one has some funny looking contraption with some red sealer. The new one is physically slightly smaller than the old one. Same part no.
Quote from: erkishhorde on July 30, 2009, 08:05:45 AM
I've never gotten an oil filter, no matter what the vehicle, that didn't come with a plastic film over the top of the filter. If I got one without the film I would return it.
I've never had an oil filter come with plastic film. Got a pic?
I've gotten quite a few OEM Ducati filters, *none* of them have had a plastic film seal.
All of the K&N's I've gotten have a plastic film seal.
I have seen the filters that look like what the OP showed.
Quote from: Speeddog on July 30, 2009, 09:44:37 AM
I've gotten quite a few OEM Ducati filters, *none* of them have had a plastic film seal.
All of the K&N's I've gotten have a plastic film seal.
I have seen the filters that look like what the OP showed.
Oh yeah... I forgot that I don't use stockers. I always put on K&Ns... I like to nut that's welded onto the bottom with a safety wire hole so I don't have to hassle with any little caps or strap wrenches. Sorry, ignore me.
No worries, I just didn't want the folks getting OEM filters to freak out.
I'd like it better if the OEM ones had a seal, but my "I'd like it better" list is pretty F'n long... :-\
Just bought a filter the other day from the stealer - the screen job is not the greatest either (probably made on a Friday before the long weekend) ;)
On the bottom of mine, there is a production # inkjetted on the bottom
Yours looks real - I wouldn't sweat it
If you are worried about it, don't buy discount filters off of Ebay. Buy it from your dealer, probably couldn't be more than $150 difference.
thanks for all the inputs on this - I just had a family member buy me a couple of things from the local dealer back home in Australia - the oil filter that was bought looks a lot like the one i have here - just viewed on Skype - let's see what it looks like when it arrives.
By the way, I also got some plugs - the NGK ones - which came in Ducati branded boxes - anyone else seen this? - they are just the plain old DCPR8E's.
I don't get it, I get my filters from the dealer here for like 11 bucks. Exactly how much profit can you be making knocking them off? It's not like this is an expensive part. I'd bet Ducati changed their suppliers. Wouldn't doubt that it's a cheaper filter too, so that would explain the poorer quality. That's just my .02 though.
Justin
Who knows... here is counterfeit toothbrushes:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/139226.php (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/139226.php)
I got 33,500 hits for "counterfeit oil filter"
http://www.mahle.com/C12570B3006C0D49/CurrentBaseLink/W26Y7DKE753STULEN (http://www.mahle.com/C12570B3006C0D49/CurrentBaseLink/W26Y7DKE753STULEN)
http://www.mikerogers.house.gov/Gallery.aspx?G=6 (http://www.mikerogers.house.gov/Gallery.aspx?G=6)
If, by some nonsensical chain of events, I started manufacturing counterfeit oil filters, I wouldn't bother doing Duc filters.
Wouldn't sell enough to make it worth the bother.
I agree probably not a lot of profit if that filter only fits Ducatis. I wonder if one filter can fit a lot of applications ?cars? with just a re-spray? A poor paint job seems to be a common theme in all of the bogus filters discovered + being able to scrape the lettering off with your fingernail. I'd like to know if the insides of these ?new? Duc filters are a good quality.
When I get the filter from Oz, I'll take a shot and post it up - like I said, through the webcam, it looked kinda the same as the one i've got here... :o
By the way, I sent an email to my Mum - who's printed it out and taken it to the Ducati dealer back home - list of stuff - including request for 4 plugs and the spark plug number(NGK DCPR8E), filter request and various other odds and ends - and I've specified bike model - (2006 s2r1k)
I also emailed the shop a day before - asking them if they had the plugs, to save my mum a trip if they didn't. Again, I've asked specifically for NGK plugs, of the number mentioned above.
Anyway, Mum goes in there with the list, and the guy only gives her 2 plugs - saying ducati's only need two plugs.
For make the beast with two backs's sake.
So he gives her two Ducati-box branded NGK DCPR8E plugs.
Then later that night, I get an email reply from the same guy - responding to my request for NGK plugs - and he says -
.." Sorry but no we don't have NGK plugs for you Ducati.
Being a genuine dealer we only hold the champion plugs."
This is exactly the same guy that served my Mum when she went there.
Looks an awful lot like the last one I got from my dealer. Thought the same thing as you at the time. I wouldn't sweat it.
Sorry to side track, but how many plugs does a S2R1k take? Do you have a dual spark motor on that? Is that why you wanted 4 or spares?
S2R1K is the 1000DS engine. 4 plugs.
Yes, and that engine is in all the (new) large capacity aircooled bikes now. S2R1K, Multistrada (the present one, not the coming-soon one...), Hypermotard, new M1100 - so it's not as though my bike's a one-off freak or something...