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Hey a while ago there was a thread on a place to get good cheaper tools.

I know Rusty, Big Ian and monstermick58 have tools from this place.

Have searched but can't find it.......

So what is the name of this tool site again please?????

Is this what you were looking for?

http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/oz-monsters/173146-bargain-micrometer-deal.html (http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/oz-monsters/173146-bargain-micrometer-deal.html)

Thanks heaps Betty....... Yep that's the thread (as I hold up the wooden cross) .....  [thumbsup]

Okay a question for all you wrenches out there...........  [roll]

I need to get a torque wrench mainly for us on my MTBs and a bit of Duke stuff.

Need a torque range of 1Nm - 20-24Nm ish.....

Now the question is what to get....

* Deflecting beam wrench (I'm old school and used these in a past life).....

* Micro Meter (Coil spring) wrench....

What do you all use?????

Big T we were recently looking for a torque wrench and our very limited experience would indicate:

- the small range (which you are looking for) are much more expensive generally and harder to come by in non-specialist tool shopping circles
- the smaller wrenches need a finer tolerance (hence the relative expense)
- the beam style ones are more accurate ... if you know how to use them ... and don't require to be re-calibrated every 2nd week

But you know I know basically nothing about these type of things.

big t i still like the deflecting type with the button , i dont like the scew ones but if you can aford it go digital  [thumbsup]

If you really only need to go up to 24Nm, have a look at this:

http://www.transquip.com.au/product.aspx?ID=1531 (http://www.transquip.com.au/product.aspx?ID=1531)

I doesn't go down as low as 1Nm tho (and that's _really_ low...)

I've got the next size up in that range, this one:

http://www.transquip.com.au/product.aspx?ID=1532 (http://www.transquip.com.au/product.aspx?ID=1532)

You're welcome to borrow it to check it out of you want.

It's the right size for _most_ things on a Monster (and in the middle of its range where it's most accurate for nearly everything important), I've also got a cheapo 1/2 drive SupaTool brand one for the few things that need 80+ foot pounds (the only things I've really needed it for are the alternator and clutch hub nuts) - I'm happy enough using a less accurate too for fasteners asking for 100 or 150ft lbs, I figure they're more likely to take a +10% abuse than the 4mm engine case bolts...

You'd _probably_ get away with the little baby 1/4 drive one and a larger 1/2 drive one like this:

http://www.transquip.com.au/product.aspx?ID=425 (http://www.transquip.com.au/product.aspx?ID=425)

I'd be a little careful there though, running the small one right up at 200inch lbs =~ 16 ft lbs isn't a great idea, but you'd end up with not a great deal of overlap with the 10ft lb bottom end of the range on the bigger one...

Do you really need that 2-7Nm range that the 3/8 drive wrench doesn't cover?

On the beam/clicky choice, it's _much_ easier for inexperienced users to get it wrong with a bean wrench - I know I don't use mine often enough to be "good" at reading and using a beam wrench - I tried this out for myself using Qantas's calibration tools when a friend still worked there, my crappy wrench was within 4% calibration for the middle 90% of its range, and I could hit a specified torque to within 5% reliably with it - with an even better calibrated beam wrench I was often 10-15% out, tho Paul would hit better that 1% with it every time... Unless you're gonna use them weekly, get a clicky wrench.

big

Thanks all for the great advice.

And Big the main reason for the 2-6Nm is CF.

I have CF MTBs and clamping / bolting anything to CF where you can crush / crack the CF just makes me a little nervous any time I work on them....

So looks like a "clicky" it is......... 

Checked out digital but they don't go low enough......

Looks like the Kincrome might be the go.....

Although this is pretty cool for MTBs only....
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=29422 (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=29422)

Words of wisdom from Big. I use a "Warren & Brown" deflecting beam type 10-160Nm (bit heavy for Bikes!) because I've had it forever. Upon a recommendation I took it to:

http://www.torquecalibrationservices.com.au/ (http://www.torquecalibrationservices.com.au/)

Because it hadn't been calibrated in 30+ years. Surprisingly, it was still reasonably accurate and, after adjustment, the guy at tcs was able to get it very accurate for most of its range. Reason for the story is that they did have refurbished & calibrated second hand units for sale at the time. Doubt that they have the really small ones though but it's possibly another option.

alright big...because I like you....

here you go...

now THIS place has cheap but great quality bike parts - check out the prices on Shimano (MTB) and Campy (road) parts....ah.....ah....who loves you...now this is a nice piece of kit for carbon...and if you want bulletproof carbon on your bike, buy this brand...they have been tested by a fantastic German magazine and are clearly the strongest safest manufacturer of carbon...after reading the tests my friend took the Ritchey components off his bike.

http://www.starbike.com/php/product_info.php?lang=en&pid=6048 (http://www.starbike.com/php/product_info.php?lang=en&pid=6048)

so it's about 64 euro (when you minus the VAT) so...about $110.

who loves the spider?  :-*

Big T loves the Spider......  [bow_down]  [bow_down]

Now that is a porn site.....  [evil]  8)

The Syntace Torque Tool is exactly what I'm looking for.....

OOoohhhhhhhh bike porn ..............  :o  :o

PS Spider: I also get good bike porn from Chainreactions out of the UK as well. Another great site....  [thumbsup]

should mention, and this is pure  [evil]

but that site is great because the more you buy....the less the shipping is...you buy that wrench and it will be $50...add a few tyres (at half the cost of what they are in Australia - try the Schweble) and it will drop down to $25.

I have the same Torque wrench as BigIain, even got it from the same supplier!

But it has always been very good and easy to set up and use  [thumbsup]

Yep - if you're doing fasteners up holding structural carbon bits, you _need_ a tool like that one. Even if you don't buy other stuff to reduce the freight, it's only a little more expensive tha the not-really-suitable alternative I suggested...

+ it's a _really_ cool bit of kit - you'll automatically be 17% sexier* just by having that in your toolbox...

big

* may not _actually_ increase sexiness by 17%

Well Big I am now 34% more sexy....  [bow_down]  [bow_down]

I not only purchased the 1-20Nm Syntace but got the 10-80Nm Syntace as well and a few other bike bits.....  [thumbsup]  [thumbsup]

So now have the MTB and Duke covered....

OOohhhhh and Jukie is 17% more sexy as well (1-20Nm added to her tool kit).....  8)  8)

Got to love great tool porn......

PS: Big T loves Spider......  [bow_down]  [bacon]

oohhh yes i am now 17% more sexier  [thumbsup] [bow_down] [evil]

oh c,mon jukie! is that even possible? [thumbsup]


paul.

I just came back from the country side...whilst I was there I  took the grinder (with buffing brass and polishing pads) to the Estwing hammer....I'm 23% sexier....I got the hammer to look better than a brand new one (and she's 12 years old). well pleased!  :)

(I also have an Estwing hatchet under the bed - how frickin sexy is THAT)

oh Paul you are so nice. for that you get these  :-* :-*

not as sexy as my grade v berretta , as for tools ill keep my old worn protos  [bow_down]

I take it Grade V is a rifle?

used to own a 92f pistol, absolutely beautiful machine that was...and that was their idea of utilitarian design...their show guns are even better (never seen any in the flesh but have seen in magazines).

no its a hand made italian under and over shot gun  [bow_down]

Hey Bazz some 30 years ago I used to shoot Trap with a Berretta U/O 12 gauge......

Loved that fine piece of engineering  [bow_down] ....... Wish I still had it....  [bang]  [bang]

You still use yours?????

yes big t i own 2 berettas now silver pigeon grade v for field and a new ultra light for target work but lost the ultra light too the wifie she shoots trap with it and i shoot skeet and sim-field once a month , shot my first 50 straight at skeet last month now going for my 100 break badge  [thumbsup]as for the berretas the wood  was grown by the best virgins for a 100 years and the steel was hammer forged from the womb of mother earth her self  [laugh]

You seen this smartarse gents???  [thumbsup]

Beretta Shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13Y7SKrFls#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

yep dragon i taught him  [laugh]

Geeeez!!!  ;D  [thumbsup]  [bow_down]

I want this one !!  ;D

Particularly for Skeet shooting.  [laugh] [clap] [evil] [roll]

AA-12. World's deadliest shotgun! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

and regarding the original post....

don't you just hate tool shops these days....bunch of Chinese shit that isn't worth your time...I mean is it so hard to buy something of quality that you can hand down to your son?

I've picked up some tools lately that are over 40 years old and the quality is just brilliant compared to today's throw away crap...and this is fairly new development I have one tool store that used to be in Richmond and everything was Swedish, German with the occasional Russian bit....now...Taiwan and China.

you kind of get the feeling that there are brilliant tools out there....just not easily accessible by the public.

Agree entirely R.  ;D

I used to haunt the Sunday markets when they wer fair dinkum "trash and treasure" and bought great Dowidat ring spanners, Stahwille ringies and sockets. And along with the original (40+ year old.) Sidchrome stuff I inherited from my Father and Grandpa I have some really old but brilliant quality tools. [thumbsup]

You cant even get Sidchrome to honour the Lifetime Gaurantee. (Actually I dont think that exists anymore??) The Sidchrome made in China stuff is shit!! We use the new Sidchrome at work and the ratchets are constantly breaking. >:(

Agree totally Dragon & Spider.......

I have a tool kit I bought in Canada in 1975 and still have all the tools in as new working order today.

They just "keep on keeping on"......

picked up an adjustable wrench on the weekend - Sidchrome.....made in Sweden, don't know what year it is....I've polished it to perfection, but it's bloody precise! Got some bigger adjustables from Ridgid and Bahco too.

Craftsman still do good stuff by the feel of it...and crescent pliers are still nice (had some needle nose that were decent).

the old tools are definitely made from better quality steel however - you can tell when you polish them - they come up magnificent (and if chromed polish up nicely) whilst the others are to soft to take a sheen or the chroming is so thin in just wears away

 spider shifters are for plumbers  [cheeky] but your right about older tools i bought a set of extra long ring spanners by e c t many moons ago there been unbreakable not like shitchome  [thumbsup]

sometimes I can be a bit negative....so I'll try and offset it....

Fiskars garden tools - the ones made in Sweden - are sh!t hot....just finished my months service on my secateurs and they are bloody good, I can tell that they will last a long time (unlike those cheap bit of crap from China which last about a week of good pruning).

Pruned more roses on the weekend than you girls have seen in all your valentines combined and they came through a treat.

so good stuff is still around.

Sweden: home of Ohlins and Fiskars  ;D

they make good chainsaws and of course sako rifles too  [thumbsup]

Hey Spider Starbike.com package arrived yesterday..... Thanks for the tip off...

Coooool toooools........

Ran the torque wrenches over the MTB last night. Realised how "off" my guesstimates on torque were (way under done).....

I now have the tightest bike in town.....   [cheeky]  [cheeky] [thumbsup]  [thumbsup]

PS: Delivering Jukies new tool (no batteries required) on the weekend.....  [laugh]  [laugh]

Pics!

(we have special exemption for _grease_ nipples and _tool_ pron!)

big

Pics as requested........

The disk rotor is 6" just to give an indication of size.

For the MTBers the wheels are Bontrager RXL (scandium) 29ers mounted on a Gary Fisher SuperFly 29er (CF frame). Very sweat ride..... But that's another story...

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/3842324826_94851e71b9_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2569/3841531091_583b76b530_b.jpg)

what forks?

FOX RLC F29 80mm 29er G2 (G2 = Built for the Gary Fisher 29er frames)

QLD  ;)

NICE! if I went to 29 (don't ride enough mtb anymore) that's what I'd be on, Fox are simply the best on the scene at present (have been for a while too). Take it you love it?

Santa Cruz are coming out witha 29 Blur later this year called the Tall Boy....now that would be special, I ride a blur and it is brilliant.

Absolutely love it Spider......... 29ers are the goods.....  [moto]

I live right next door to a NP that allows MTBing. I ride from my front door..... Don't get much better than that...  [bow_down]  [bow_down]

The Stumperjumper Carbon Pro 26er FS is about to go on the market.....

Only ridden by a little old man on Sundays.....  [cheeky]  [cheeky]

The steed.... Trim, tight, terrific and all torqued up....

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3419/3842655928_8c6727de84_b.jpg)

Hey Big,

thought we could extend this thread by listing other multi-sport (cycling/motorcyling) tools are excellent:

I reckon these 2 can't be beat:

Park tools Y wrench, 4,5,6mm hex

(http://www.bikepartsplace.com/images/med/31091500.jpg)

and:

Topeak portable tire pressure gauge, weighs about 100 grams:

(http://www.topeak.com/mediafiles/products/534/)