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hi, think its time to get the exhaust replaced on my 696. could anyone guide me with the advantages of  titanium over carbon fiber. have felt the terminoni carbon after an hours drive... feels surprisingly cool. will i get the same effect with the Titaniums?? my girlfriend would really appreciate your suggestions [laugh]

Ti  gets cold very quickly after you turn off the engine. Personally, I'm a Ti fan, especially if it's a full system.

This is a pic of the Arata Ti race system from my 954. Tell me those colours are not way cool!

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/EtherealZee/Arata.jpg)

My next bike will get the same treatment.

Z...

they r really cool shades.

CF also has a slightly different sound to it. CF has a raspy sound to it. Ti, not so much.

I guess it is personal preference.  My exhaust is stainless but the cans are ti.  I think the cf might sound better, but the ti will last (almost) forever.

Lately I've been seeing older bikes with CF that's starting to get yellow from sun exposure.  I'm not sure if that can be corrected but it really looks like crap IMO. 

Ti

CF is an excellent insulator.  You can touch CF mufflers while the bike is running.  You can not touch any metal mufflers without burning yourself. 

+1. Other than the yellowing/aging that naturally happens to cf when exposed to light, I see no other drawbacks.

Carbon Fiber!

(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/69/l_e2a92ce00be04097bb0aaedb84516fea.png)

Just be aware that you have to protect the CF from sun exposure (ie don't leave your bike parked out in hot sun 8hrs a day), otherwise the CF will fade and start to break down.

I went from stock to the Leo Vince CF exhaust slip ons and reduced the weight of my bike by 20lbs!


I'm not sure how you get that sound unless it's cheap CF. My exhaust sounds amzaingly sexy - solid low tone reverberating bass - HOT  [thumbsup]

...and if I wanted to  it could set off every car alarm in my neighborhood.



Read this - http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25682.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25682.0)

Just remember if you get carbon fiber it WILL turn yellow over time.  I personally like carbon fiber better.  I'v had a set of pipes w/ c/f cans for about a while now and they really do turn yellow.  If i knew that I would have gotten titanium.

another thing to remember is that if you are getting the termi system, the TI is certified for road use, the CF is not. that's only an issue if you are in certain places, but as things go more green in the world, you never know.

Could be cheap CF, it is a FULL Termi system after all...

I only notice the raspy tone upon decel.

it also depends on what you use your bike for. If you like to tour, cf cans can eventually get burn through spots if you run in areas that get hot. My first set of Hindle CF cans developed quarter sized burn through spots on the inside of the cans closest to the bike. I know a few other guys, on different makes of bike, who've experienced the same issue with CF cans while touring warm places.

I don't think this would ever be an issue for those who stick to day rides, but certainly worth thinking about.

Can we touch Ti cans while the bike is running....i would rather have burn spots on the CF than GF  ;D

Can you ceramic coat Titanium?..

All CF may turn yellow over time, depends how good the clear coat is..

While all the posts about the change of CF are more or less accurate, it really depends on how well you take care of your bike. If you keep up with regular maintenance, the life of the CF will be much greater. It's not as fragile as you'd be led to belive. I live in AZ, needless to say, it's HOT. I use my bike to commute most days to and from work, as well as between Phoenix and Tucson (140 miles). I always keep my bike clean, and I ALWAYS cover my bike when it's parked (especially at work where (for some retarded reason) there's no shaded parking for motorcycles.

Now that being said my CF cans are relativly new, but I'm doing everything that I can (without becoming an inconvienience) to take good care of them. Yellowing does happen, but for the look and sound, and a little extra maintenance makes it worth while.

With regards to the sound that CF puts out, I've found that it really varys between manufacturers. Mine sound absolutly amazing - especially during deceleration. I looked into every mfgs cans and decided on the ones that I have because as far as motorcycles go (to me) it's the hottest sound that I've ever heard. Other composits just don't maintain the same reverberation and quality of bass that I found with these. Thats not to say that Termis or any other aren't amazing sounding, but just didn't have what I was looking for.

It's a tough decision and I can totally relate to what you're going through to decide which ones to get. It's not like buying a pair of pants that you can try on and return if they don't fit right. 

can't say I've ever tried that.

and I've tried some pretty silly things in my time

She rides neked? Tell her she should at least wear boots  [thumbsup]


Z...

Yes. It's hot but nowhere near as hot as metal.

uh Ti is metal.

Holy crap. Complete brain fry there. Haven't had my morning coffee.
No you can't touch Ti while running. I meant you can touch CF. Sorry about that. [bang]

Can anyone comment on how the Termi exhaust, Ti or carbon, affects the performance of the 1100?  I've seen some comments that the Termi's actually make the air/fuel more lean.  I'm particularly interested in the Ti slip ons, but would only get them if they make the bike perform better. 

There are lots of posts here regarding various pipes/systems for various bikes. Do a series of searches and have fun reading...helped me a great deal with the collective knowledge of the DMF. Good luck!

so...CF it is. have heard them, felt them. these Mivv full carbon looks amazing indeed.(http://DucM696MivvSuonoFullCarb.jpg)   

I disagree.  I have Ti high mount pipes and have had girls ride cupcake for at least a couple hours with no problems.  I'm not saying they've had bare skin resting against the pipes, but they've been wearing jeans without any burning issues.

I've touched the cans immediately after a hard ride through the twisties and they're warm to the touch, but never burned me.

very good info thr Mr. B. anyone want to come fwd and disagree?? IMO Ti cans look cool and with no aging problems....a must have. looking at all the youtube videos posted for both, Ti tends to give a slight lower note than the CF. has anyone noticed this difference or its just poor sound reproduction??

I guess I can't speak for all manufacturers, just that my Spark pipes give me no heat issues. I'm no scientist, just giving my FHE.   :)

my old 900 had Ti (totally forgot). if i remember they cool pretty fast and don't heat up as much as SS or AL. My CF didnt heat past the point of touching with gloves. Had to use actual exhaust pipes as heaters during colder mornings. The other question is the Termi TI pipes are E3 compliant, wonder if that means they have the Cat Conv. meaning they will get hotter than the straight through SS or CF since the Cat needs to heat to function.

I've got GPR high mount Ti's on my 695 and completely agree with this.  Touched them after long rides and they're just warm, not burn inducing.