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Ducati S4R Monster

***Built by William Kenefick!***

**Owned by Tim Allen!**

only 1,376 miles

If you are looking for a top of the line collector motorcycle this Monster Ducati SBK S4R should be right up your alley!

This is the actual Ducati, as seen on the cover of the “Robb Report” January 2007!

Currently owned by none other than top comedian and connoisseur of anything “Hot Rod” and Cool, Tim Allen from the hit TV show “HOME IMPROVEMENT”.

This is one fast motorcycle named “Full Tilt Boogie” that was professionally built will all top notch components with NO EXPENSE SPARED! (see write-up) This is a serious motorcycle and collector piece built by renown bike builder William Kenefick and currently owned by Tim Allen. It cant get much better then this!

William Kenefick is a top bike builder who was also hired by Dreamworks to build the “Transformers Revenge of the Fallen” Transformer motorcycles known has Arcee!


To even get a concept of how custom and impressive this motorcycle is, read on. Best said by David Morris of the Robb Report!: (or read the full story online at ultimatemotorcycling dot com)


RetroSBK's founder William Kenefick built this Monster S4R.  Kenefick's work has delighted Robb Report MotorCycling readers before—his Freddie Spencer Tribute Honda 1000RR roared off our November/ December 2005 cover.


Having won three of California's annual Del Mar Concours D'Elegance, the Ducati Island Concours at Laguna Seca, and building bespoke bikes for a highly exclusive clientele, Kenefick is conscious of his audience's exponential expectations.



Kenefick's view of the Monster S4R defined his task as “turning a hot, but overweight and out of shape housewife into a warrior queen.”


“Some people buy a Ducati and think that bolting on an aftermarket cam, swapping the tires and adding all the fashionable performance bits is enough,” Kenefick says, “but every modification needs to be done with a profound understanding that includes the machine's purpose and the rider's intent, and their combined capabilities. Having raced, I know where the limits are—and they are beyond what most of us can ever experience. My goal is to build a bike that inspires the most expert to explore those limits.”


Where carbon fiber panels masked passable welds, and wayward wiring marred classic lines, Kenefick trimmed and tucked, smoothing the shapes and discarding the unnecessary. “By reducing weight and unsprung mass, we allow the bike to turn better, stop quicker and accelerate harder,” he explains, pointing to a plastic tub filled with parts removed—over 60 lbs worth. “The beautiful body was there. I just gave it the chance to show itself.”


The key issue in transforming the bike was matching the balance of engine and chassis to the upgraded performance. “The stock Monster can't get significant weight over the front wheel, so there is not enough front-end grip under acceleration,” he notes. “Usually people jack up the rear end, which creates spin. Our solution was to lengthen and stiffen the swingarm, increasing the angle of lift in the back of the bike. The wheelbase was also lengthened and the trail reduced. The bike now steers quicker and with less effort, the suspension is more controlled, and the overall ride is more composed.”

It has one-off BT002 MotoGP compound race-quality tires with hand cut treads, custom made in Japan for the bike by Bridgestone, courtesy of Little Big Racing. The wheels are bold, black and beautiful—forged magnesium from Germany's PVM. They are five pounds lighter than stock, yet add the visual heft missing from the factory edition. Gunmetal-finish hard-anodized forks are rebuilt by Race Tech.

N triple clamps from SpeedyMoto with a wider offset, are eye-catching and efficient: the lower clamp, in particular, increases stiffness, giving the steering greater stability. The forks' diamond-like coating (actually a carbonized titanium nitride) is “super hard and creates very little friction,” Kenefick says.


Zero Gravity's jet fighter canopy Lexan replacement is aero-dynamically sculpted, mounted with titanium brackets that are rock sol. Tokico calipers, stainless steel lines, pads and rotors from Galfer USA. Polished the frame and roll-polished the welds, Applied Powder Coat in nearby Oxnard added a two-stage powdercoat with a chrome base and a translucent candy-apple red clear. The tank, refinished by Airtrix in 16 coats of clear red lacquer. “By optimizing the engine and fitting Ducati SPS performance cams, we've achieved an increase from 118 to 132 horsepower.”

SpeedyMoto water pump and crankshaft covers are anodized gunmetal. Zero Gravity's Lexan belt covers, Foot controls from Sato Racing LeoVince muffler from Italy, header is from Ducati Performance. Handmade swingarm is the pezzo forte of Kenefick's neo-Monster. “A single-sided swingarm tends to flex laterally and most noticeably during application of the throttle, while leaned over,” he says. Gregg's Customs worked with Kenefick to devise a curved horseshoe-like shape with a main lower tube and trellises that mimic the frame. It is lighter and stiffer, delivering better high-speed stability. “But with this set of modifications, it can take on just about anything on the street.

Comes with:

Signed by William Kenefick
The option of Tim Allen signing the motorcycle at the new owners request
Pictures of Tim with the Ducati
Clear and Clean California title



 (http://Ducati S4R Monster

***Built by William Kenefick!***

**Owned by Tim Allen!**

only 1,376 miles

If you are looking for a top of the line collector motorcycle this Monster Ducati SBK S4R should be right up your alley!

This is the actual Ducati, as seen on the cover of the “Robb Report” January 2007!

Currently owned by none other than top comedian and connoisseur of anything “Hot Rod” and Cool, Tim Allen from the hit TV show “HOME IMPROVEMENT”.

This is one fast motorcycle named “Full Tilt Boogie” that was professionally built will all top notch components with NO EXPENSE SPARED! (see write-up) This is a serious motorcycle and collector piece built by renown bike builder William Kenefick and currently owned by Tim Allen. It cant get much better then this!

William Kenefick is a top bike builder who was also hired by Dreamworks to build the “Transformers Revenge of the Fallen” Transformer motorcycles known has Arcee!


To even get a concept of how custom and impressive this motorcycle is, read on. Best said by David Morris of the Robb Report!: (or read the full story online at ultimatemotorcycling dot com)


RetroSBK's founder William Kenefick built this Monster S4R.  Kenefick's work has delighted Robb Report MotorCycling readers before—his Freddie Spencer Tribute Honda 1000RR roared off our November/ December 2005 cover.


Having won three of California's annual Del Mar Concours D'Elegance, the Ducati Island Concours at Laguna Seca, and building bespoke bikes for a highly exclusive clientele, Kenefick is conscious of his audience's exponential expectations.



Kenefick's view of the Monster S4R defined his task as “turning a hot, but overweight and out of shape housewife into a warrior queen.”


“Some people buy a Ducati and think that bolting on an aftermarket cam, swapping the tires and adding all the fashionable performance bits is enough,” Kenefick says, “but every modification needs to be done with a profound understanding that includes the machine's purpose and the rider's intent, and their combined capabilities. Having raced, I know where the limits are—and they are beyond what most of us can ever experience. My goal is to build a bike that inspires the most expert to explore those limits.”


Where carbon fiber panels masked passable welds, and wayward wiring marred classic lines, Kenefick trimmed and tucked, smoothing the shapes and discarding the unnecessary. “By reducing weight and unsprung mass, we allow the bike to turn better, stop quicker and accelerate harder,” he explains, pointing to a plastic tub filled with parts removed—over 60 lbs worth. “The beautiful body was there. I just gave it the chance to show itself.”


The key issue in transforming the bike was matching the balance of engine and chassis to the upgraded performance. “The stock Monster can't get significant weight over the front wheel, so there is not enough front-end grip under acceleration,” he notes. “Usually people jack up the rear end, which creates spin. Our solution was to lengthen and stiffen the swingarm, increasing the angle of lift in the back of the bike. The wheelbase was also lengthened and the trail reduced. The bike now steers quicker and with less effort, the suspension is more controlled, and the overall ride is more composed.”

It has one-off BT002 MotoGP compound race-quality tires with hand cut treads, custom made in Japan for the bike by Bridgestone, courtesy of Little Big Racing. The wheels are bold, black and beautiful—forged magnesium from Germany's PVM. They are five pounds lighter than stock, yet add the visual heft missing from the factory edition. Gunmetal-finish hard-anodized forks are rebuilt by Race Tech.

N triple clamps from SpeedyMoto with a wider offset, are eye-catching and efficient: the lower clamp, in particular, increases stiffness, giving the steering greater stability. The forks' diamond-like coating (actually a carbonized titanium nitride) is “super hard and creates very little friction,” Kenefick says.


Zero Gravity's jet fighter canopy Lexan replacement is aero-dynamically sculpted, mounted with titanium brackets that are rock sol. Tokico calipers, stainless steel lines, pads and rotors from Galfer USA. Polished the frame and roll-polished the welds, Applied Powder Coat in nearby Oxnard added a two-stage powdercoat with a chrome base and a translucent candy-apple red clear. The tank, refinished by Airtrix in 16 coats of clear red lacquer. “By optimizing the engine and fitting Ducati SPS performance cams, we've achieved an increase from 118 to 132 horsepower.”

SpeedyMoto water pump and crankshaft covers are anodized gunmetal. Zero Gravity's Lexan belt covers, Foot controls from Sato Racing LeoVince muffler from Italy, header is from Ducati Performance. Handmade swingarm is the pezzo forte of Kenefick's neo-Monster. “A single-sided swingarm tends to flex laterally and most noticeably during application of the throttle, while leaned over,” he says. Gregg's Customs worked with Kenefick to devise a curved horseshoe-like shape with a main lower tube and trellises that mimic the frame. It is lighter and stiffer, delivering better high-speed stability. “But with this set of modifications, it can take on just about anything on the street.

Comes with:

Signed by William Kenefick
The option of Tim Allen signing the motorcycle at the new owners request
Pictures of Tim with the Ducati
Clear and Clean California title)
It's over $11k now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Monster-MONSTER-Celebrity-owned-TIM-ALLEN-Ducati-MONSTER-S4R-Kenefick_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ49988QQitemZ140341211474#ht_1435wt_1129 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Monster-MONSTER-Celebrity-owned-TIM-ALLEN-Ducati-MONSTER-S4R-Kenefick_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ49988QQitemZ140341211474#ht_1435wt_1129)

"Where carbon fiber panels masked passable welds, and wayward wiring marred classic lines, Kenefick trimmed and tucked, smoothing the shapes and discarding the unnecessary. "

If the wiring was cleaned up, then why all of the zipties? I was able to clean up my wiring and used zero ties...

you should ask him:  http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4674 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4674)

Eh  [coffee]

Best,
Adam

I don't know what there is to "eh" about.  I think that is one of the best looking water-cooled monsters I've seen.  I like the way all the black seems to make the radiator disappear.  The "celebrity" history means nothing and it is mostly bolt on parts, but the bolt on parts are very nice and it all comes together as a nice package. 

The "Eh" is because I'm sick of the hyperbolic language like "bespoke" as though the entire bike was fashioned by hand and formed on an english wheel and welded together.

I'm happy RetroSBK is making performance bikes instead of just objects of vanity, but "no cost spared" and the way some parts of that bike look and are put together doesn't really jive to me.  Just my opinion, it's probably more a reaction to the ad and the way Robb Report's writeup than anything.

I am a huge fan of Kennefick's other work (ie: the Freddie Spencer tribute bike and the Pops yoshi bike are incredible) just not this one...

Then again, I didn't ask him to build it and don't have to buy it  :)

Adam

That's a strange partial belt cover.

The Suzuki front-end doesn't scream 'NO COST SPARED!' to me...  Especially replacing the stock brake m/cylinder with the Suzuki unit.

It's nice, but.....

That was it?

I should have seen it before I read the post. I've seen better on this forum with store bought parts. It's all in the eye of the beholder I guess. 

There are too many "eh" items to list. Nice paint job: Yes. Nice wheels: Yes. SPS cams (and engine optimazation) get you to 132 HP? No. Would I swap to a coffin master on the front brakes of a bike with "132 HP"? No. Nice bike but no nicer then other stuff our members here have built. Black Fog kicks it's ass.

Sounds like a lot of custom work was done...not just bolt on bling.  Some of it is pretty nice, but...

My biggest issue is that the frame doesn't look to match the color of the tank/windscreen fairing. It's a cool candy apple red, but it doesn't look good with the Ducati red.

The plate on the swingarm looks horrible as well IMO. I appreciate that the swingarm was lengthened and stiffened...but it just doesn't look good...at least from the angle shown on the eBay listing. Maybe it looks better from different angles?  ???

Zip ties have to go as well. They really jump out with the red frame.  :-\

I'd love to hear the story behind it from RetroSBK himself.  ;D


+1

why use japanese front end and brakes?
it would be MUCH cooler with Italian parts

also, the exhausts. a lower one like an exbox or boomtubes would have really shown off the bike. and the side panels should go to. and not so sure about the swingarm look. isn't the 999 swingarm the most rigid? if the bike is about performance why not go that route?

all in all, IF i had the money i would do it different, BUT without it...  [thumbsup] cause better than anything i can do :D

Assuming this was built pre-1098, then yes. However, the 999 swingarm is DSS. Owner probably didn't want to lose the SSS look.

so the 1098 swingarm is stronger and lighter?

Tough crowd.   :(

So they claim.

ha ha you almost sound surprised.

Disappointed, rather.

The coolest thing about that bike--that I saw from skimming the ad and some of the pics--is the well-thought-out geometry changes.  Not a lot of folks around here do that kind of work or even think about it.  It's pretty cool stuff, and something we could/should appreciate.

For the $ RetroSBK gets for their bikes, what were you expecting?

I mean, the Freddie Spencer bike was $114,000.  I can only imagine what Allen paid for this thing.

This isn't a garage-built special, and there's enough hyperbole and bravado in the way Kennefick speaks about his bikes to make people expect truly great things - which this bike isn't IMO.  I don't care that Robb Report used their typical superfluous, breathless writing style -- I care about what the bike actually is.  And in this case, I care about what the bike isn't.

Then again, there's an ass for every seat.  Just because it's a Ducati and expensive doesn't mean everyone has to like it and just because he's "the guy who made the bikes for Transformers 2" doesn't mean everything he makes is deserving of worship.

Tim Allen liked it, the new buyer will like it - and that's all that matters  :)

Adam

That stuff is cool, like I said. Lots of custom work went into it. But...the plate on the swingarm, frame color, zip ties... :-\

No doubt some cool engineering in it though.

Absolutely agreed.  Functionally i'm sure the geometry blows a stock monster away.

Adam

OK guys... a bit about the bike...

The frame is a Candy Apple red, as requested by the client.

The swingarm was handformed by Gregg of Greggs Customs fame, and is unreal. Way beyond the reach of anyone on this site, or any other, or they woudl be doing it. He is one of the best fabricators in the biz.

It isnt a gsxr front end, its a CBR, and why use it? Because it WORKS. When we built this bike, there wasnt a monster with Radial mount front brakes, and the CBR front end with Ohlins internals was simply amazing, so we had Speedy Moto whittle us up a set fo custom triple clamps, and make the required geometry changes and now you have a radial brake front end with suspension that works. If there was a better setup, we woudl have used it. The stock Ohlins stuff leaves a LOT to be desired in the performance end of things, but you get the look.

Why do that exhuast? because it works. The little boom box style exhaust sacrifice performance with too small of a collector volume, and hurts performance, no thanks. The motor is pretty mild, but well tuned. 132 was pretty easy to get to.

The master cylinder is not a Brembo part, it is a Nissan, and has a displacemnt and pull that closely match the OE setup as used on the calipers. The remote unit looks like ass when mounted on handle bar, IMO

The belt covers are made of lexan. They were simply too expensive to make, and we never went into production on them.

I like the zipties and I like a bike to look mechanical, there is beauty in the function of the bike, and the industrial-ness of a bike. I dont WANT my bikes to look like some chopper, with all the wires hidden. I could easily weld some lil bungs on the insides of the frame and "hide" the wires, but they are only hidden from small angles and look kinda lame stuck to the inside of the bike.

The Freddie bike.. Yeah, the full build bike was 114k, but the RADIATOR was 7k, my cost from HRC. The BASE engine kit from HRC was 35k. There was 18k of brakes on the bike. Good parts cost money, HRC parts cost yearly incomes. Trust me, I didnt get rich building those bikes, it was done out of respect for Freddie.

BTW, I didnt write the articles on my stuff, I just build bikes... If you want to read some more direct reviews look in Cycle World or the CW Sport Bike Annual from last year, where my Rainey bike was featured. They called it Perfect 10. The best custom they had ever ridden. (even if they didnt like the thumb brake)

Anyways, long story short, I can appreciate that some people like my work, and some people dont. If you cant afford one of my bikes, dont bash me for it. If you dont like my work, fine, but dont bash me for it. If you dont like me, bash away, Im an asshole and I know it ;). I build a bike to what a customer asks for, outside fo the Tribute bikes, which are my expression of what I love.

The other side of it, if you can build a bike that is unreal, and awesome, send me some pics, and I will help you get it notcied in a magazine or on my TV show.

Will

 Will,

 I for one am a little offended by this comment. Who do you think you are anyway? Have you seen some of the work done by some of our members on this site? I didn't hear anyone 'bashing" you or your bike but you act like you are the only one who can send something out to have it fabricated.

 And as far as the "no expense spared" comment in the OP I can think of many ways corners were cut. How about fabbing up something nice to mount the reservoir for the rear shock? Maybe put it under the seat on a piece of billet, attached to the rear foot rest mounts?

 And as far as the front end goes, how is using a CBR front end classified as no expense spared? Yeah, the factory Ohlins that is available as OEM on some Ducatis is not the best in the industry but how about a set of R&T's or Marzocci's?

 And then there is the exhaust. I guess just bolting on a Leo slip-on was better than sourcing an end can from an AMA team and then fabricating up a custom midpipe.  [roll]

 I'm not bashing the bike but some of the words used to describe it are less than accurate. I'm curious, how much did it sell for originally?

 And as far as sending you some pics........ Welcome to the DMF!!!

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/S2R1K%20for%20sale/S2RNewPics002.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/S2R1K%20for%20sale/S2RNewPics004.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/S2R1K%20for%20sale/S2RNewPics008.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/S2R1K%20for%20sale/S2R022.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/S2R1K%20for%20sale/Rizomas-ShortTail001.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/S2R1K%20for%20sale/S2R013.jpg)

Tim Allen??   Cmon, that dude is such a tool...

Will,

Thanks for responding, it's great to have you here ( seriously! ) and talk about your contributions.

You and your guys do killer work as I said earlier.  The Yoshi bike you put together is one of my favorite bikes ever, ever, ever with amazing attention to detail:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvhjidbvdzc/SU9JOtKiPuI/AAAAAAAAMmo/LzK9ErnLq60/s1600/gs%2B4.jpg)

I don't think anyone here is bashing you because they "can't afford your bikes" or because "they don't like you" at all -- in fact, you might notice quite the contrary (lots of Monster owners can afford lots of expensive stuff ... ) It's just an opinion about how the bike itself turned out.  I wouldn't take it personally  [beer]

I doubt your clients all universally have the same tastes either  ;)

Cheers,
Adam

Oh, and speaking of custom monsters, check THIS baby out:

- Pace (F1!) custom radiator
- Loads and loads of custom work

http://www.simonvicki.co.uk/wheels_pages/_s4r_pages/S4r_stage_8.html (http://www.simonvicki.co.uk/wheels_pages/_s4r_pages/S4r_stage_8.html)

(http://www.simonvicki.co.uk/wheels_pages/_s4r_pages/stage_8_images/s4r08_01.jpg)

Threadjack over  :)

Adam

I chuckled...

As far as the bike in question is concerned...  I think it is a beautiful specimen of a bike.  Do not take this the wrong way, but I believe all bikes are beautiful in their own way.  Everything has a story or purpose; from custom swingarms all the way down to a scratch in the tank.  Will, why ask people to not bash your creations?  I thought constructive criticisms, even though people have different ways of delivering it, was just that... constructive.  If only we could all be properly receptive to all input, we could create some amazing things.  That being said, lets keep the double standards to a minimum.  If one does not believe they should receive any bashing, they should not deliver it.

If everything was the same, no one would be special.  Lets allow everyone to do what they do so we can continually evolve these machines we all know and love.

"Why can't we all just get along?!"

 ;)

Monster Mash, the midpipe of that exhaust is custom. They made the production piece based on the one we made, althought the locatin was changed to work with stock footrests.

Sorry if you are offended, but Gregg is the best. Thats why his client list includes RSD and WCC. The look of the swingarm may not be your taste, but the fabrication is beyond 99% of the guys that do it for a living.

The R&T and Marz forks are junk. Period. The R&T forks are the 90's KYB stuff, great at the time, but not so much since. The Marz forks dont work and are quite heavy. So we used the best avail (gas charged forks were not avail to the public at the time) and had them anodized and TiDiox coated, with Ohlins... It was a good enuf setup to win AMA superstock races, prolly good enuf for us. The shock location was again, dictated by the client. the original shock had no remote on it.

What I chaged for it is between me and the client, but Tim paid no more than anyone else would, he is a great guy and a hard core enthusiast.

Thats a nice looking bike, and pretty well thought out. Me personally, I prefer the 2v bikes since I got my first one in 93.

DrD, I dont take it personally, Im just posting here trying to help in my very limited spare time. My bikes are functional art, or at least I like to think of them that way. Huge amounts of time goes into every detail, like the grinign on the frame to remove the bubblegum OE welds.

To everyone, please dont offended to me being brash, Its just me, full throttle and very passionate.

First, was this thread posted because it was a custom Monster for sale, because it was owned by Tim Allen, or because of the shock that Tim Allen really isnt' a member of Wild Hogs?  [cheeky]

I can see how the comments that Will posted could be taken the wrong way. It's clear to me that craftsmanship is a very personal pride topic and that people can very easily be offended by comments that aren't necessarily complimentary. I didn't really see anyone bashing it, but I don't think that saying that the work done was better than anyone else on this site or any other could have done - that's just a defensive reaction to perceived criticism.

Pictures don't always do justice to the finer points of work. So before this thread gets locked, lets all just play nice and agree that to some it's a nice bike, to some it's not their cup of tea, but in the end it's still a Monster and we love Monsters.

MonsterMash, the pics that you posted are fantastic; i love that bike. Will, the Allens' bike is a great looking Monster.

Peace.

 [beer]

Keep up the good work ... Interesting news about the forks.  Lots of little touches that look "easy" but aren't  8)

One quick question (not to nitpick) -- why didn't you guys switch the clutch master over to a nissin or similar unit to match the brake w/ integrated reservoir? Ratio issues due to the slave?

Cheers,
Adam

Yeah.. if you look at the original article on the bike, we used a VFR750 unit, as it matched. When we went to the newer clutch assm, it made the lever pull pretty severe, and Tim requested we change it, so a 996 unit went on. Not my tatse, but not my bike.

Will

We seem to have something in common. [thumbsup]

GP style pipe pic #12 Grey/red S4R on the "Italday photos" thread.  Talkin' about a thread jack.

All three of these bikes are lookin' good here, but would one of you install one of these on your bikes...Pleeeaase.

PJ & I have been trying to figure out how to do this (correctly & classy) for a while on our 1098's. I went for the Akropovics on my 1098s because the only thing lighter was to have no collector at all (not an option).  They also kicked the crap out of EVERYTHING we tried on the Dyno (especially mid range)

 The only part that offended me was the fact that you act like there aren't a bunch of guys here that can do anything. I never said I didn't like the swingarm, I think someone else may have mentioned it but not me.

 I know you don't have a lot of time here but let me be the one to tell you there are a lot of talented people here on the DMF. Mark at MotoCreations, Stew, Norm and a bunch of others can work on my bike any time they like and coming from me, thats saying a lot. I never cease to be amazed and inspired by what I see here by our members. I have been a member here since the beginning as well as over at the old board and I take offense when someone insults the people I respect and consider family.

 

That's funny. I had an Ohlins front end with radial mount brakes on my '04 S4R in 2004. DP sold the kit complete with magnesium lower triple.

RE: Retro SBK bashing. I think we would all love to support you as a great fabricator/Ducati customizer but it's hard to get past all the self promotion, elitist comments, and arrogance.  Drop that and build the bikes. Then we will take care of all the arrogance for you when we tell everyone your stuff is the shit.

As always, I'm 2 days late finding this thread.

Read the writeup carefully: why do I get the feeling that a LOT of information has been left out.. and that the writer lazily used the term 'no expense was spared' instead of listing the probably dozens of changes that have been made.

Bravo to the builder I say. I'm not knowledgable enough to judge how fine a build it is, but that bike leaves no one in any doubt that it is a Monster.  [beer]

I think a few comments made were a little imprudent given that:
1. this is a custom build; ie built for a customer - if the client wants something, the client gets it.
2. RetroSBK didn't write the article - so the wording associated with it isn't his.
3. In any build, there are always some decisions that are based on aesthetics, and not necessarily function ie it is an Artistic process. Aesthetics are personal - so saying 'oh, I would do this because it is better' (ie more functional) is meaningless.

I re-read the thread - and honestly don't come away with the same impression: for example, when Will said 'Dave is the best in the business', I took that pretty much literally ie there are maybe a handful of people who can do work of the same quality.

Anyway, peace to all. I'm not gonna jack the thread with literary analysis. Damn fine bike in MHO.  [beer]

Mash,

it wasnt a detraction from anyone... Im a fairly talented builder, or so Im told, but I have seen the best, and Gregg is one of the best. Like at a Jesse James level, and none of us are at that level, none.

Yeah, sorry if im lazy, I dont have a lot of time in my day to post and rewrite details that have been published in magazines. I really wish I did, but too much on the plate.

Sorry to anyone that was offended, hard to put tounge in cheek and expression into a post.

Back to the welder now...

Will

I'm going to say something that will get me flamed I'm sure, but oh well.


You spend the dough on getting gregg to make a swingarm

You spend a lot of money on parts, but where is anything fabricated?

You didn't do anything "custom" to the bike at all, just a bunch of bolt ons.  And a pair of cheap air filters to boot.

The WORST part....the make the beast with two backsing ohlins shock resi is fastened to the frame with worm clamps and rubber blocks.  I mean, come on!

Other than that, it looks nice.  I need to go to marketing school.  If I can get a celeb name attached to the S4R I've built/building, it'll sell for 25K+.

It's comments like these that are getting people upset. You don't need to massage your ego, there was just a post about how people would be more willing to support you if you dropped the arrogant comments.

And the comment about the lazy usage of an expression didn't seem to be saying that you were lazy personally.

Come on people, ease off and let bygones be bygones.  [leo]

The devil is in the details and that bike appears to be very well sussed out. I like it, and appreciate the work that went into it.

Editorial note: I'd normally not bother posting, but so many people we bashing, I thought I'd throw something positive in.

I was commenting on his presence on the DMF as a whole. 

Mark and Stew can work on my bike...  [evil]

As for the bike in question, I dig the graphics on the tank & tail and the black/gunmetal color scheme on the engine

I worked on the bikes on the Wild Hogs set in Albuquerque for a couple of weeks. And with all the rain, crowds of fans, never the right parts, & bikes crashed or dropped constantly. The only thing..or person that bothered me (and there were some BIG stars in this movie) was Tim, funny as hell on stage, but...   I'l leave it at that. 


Thats custom baby !!!  [laugh]

I would like to see more parts from Gregg if you guys can send some pics.  I have been blessed to work with some of the big H-D builders, Jesse, Bily Lane Choppers inc., Gene @ Bartel's H-D, Paul @ Exile cycles, Mark Warrick @ Soncy Road. I am now working with Jeff @ PJ's  Ducati doing a bike for UFC fighter Keith Jardine. using a S2R, and his welding skills are as good without a doubt as any I have seen.  Would liked to do something with Stewart in the future...Hint, Hint.

Feedback to the builder is everything.  Keep it constructive and artists listen.   
Remember it is easy to love people who love you back.

Don't screw up Keith's bike - he's fighting this weekend!

almost all bikes are cool.   cutting through hyperbole isn't difficult;  sometimes not being an ass is.   (I struggle with it too   ;D)

you all know you'd ride this bike in a heartbeat.


(once the hyperbole was hidden away and zipties removed  ;D)



 

Hell, yes.

RetroSBK...any more pics of the bike for us? Hard to get a good look in the ebay ad.  :)

I get it.  I didn't actually read the bike's description until this evening when I saw this thread had stretched out for a couple of pages.  I just skipped ahead to the pictures.  Also, I was in a hurry and thought the current bidding price was the Buy it Now price.  So it seemed reasonable to me.

Here's a few studio pictures of the bike.  I like the red/black contrast.  I like the dark forks and triples.  I like the wheels.  It would turn my head if I saw it out in town.
(http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/archived-images/Machines/Customs/asset_upload_file38_5926.jpg)
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 [evil] [evil]

Studio pictures = killer

... I would polish the exhaust though  ;D

Adam

any body got some info on those filters on the tb's??? where can i pick some up?

Cool bike Will. I read the article in Robbs' Report a few years back. I didn't like a few things about the bike but I like allot of it.

And guys, stop bashing on dude on the net who can kick your ass in person. He was comissioned to build a bike.

 [thumbsup]

R.

I can't be the only one who doesn't like that swingarm.   :-\

I appreciate the increased stiffness, how it was lengthened, and the skill involved to make it, but...

I promise not to ever "screw" up his bike. 
He is ( as strange as this will sound. One of the most peaceful relaxed people I have ever met).

Go figure, right?

Will, I am one of those who mentioned the zipties. You don't need to weld bungs on the inside of the frame rails to hide the wiring. I am about as far from a "builder" as you can get and I hid the majority of the wires on my bike (both this one and my original S2R800) in an afternoon with nothing more than a couple beers and patience. Almost every wire is hidden from all but the most extreme angles. Stu gave me a lot of pointers, he's the master of the hidden wires IMO...

I dig the windscreen.  Who makes that?

I personally like zip ties. There are aesthetics of this bike I don't like, but I wasn't the guy ordering it originally. I can appreciate the work that went into it and I'd certainly ride it. At this point, I wonder how much criticism is of the art and how much of the artist.

i think its funny that everyone is sort of bashing this guy for "arrogance, and such", but you have to rmember he is a businessman that builds bikes, he has to promote his brand.  

talk about arrogance, you can bash him for being arrogant but you have people on this board replying telling him in a sense "no you are not good we are better here, etc" sounds pretty arrogant to me, don't say that people on this board dont'  brag a bit at times too. we all do.

that being said, personally i like some of the features of the bike some i do not like.  mainly for me as everyone knows i hate that a tail chop was done, but hey each to their own and like he said, it was probably client requested, so what can you do?   [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

I like the way it looks...mean! the one thing i just can't get use to is the swingarm.The windscreen is def cool looking.s4r rules!!! [thumbsup]

Yeah I wasn't diggin it either. It was the band aid like plate. It might have been cool it if was powdercoated tho.

Oh, and did anyone mention that Tim Allen only put 1,300 miles on this motor? Punk.  [cheeky]

if i remember correctly, this wasn't the only bike in his stable.

actually i made the comment about the swingarm. mainly for aesthetic reasons. i also questions whether the 999 swingarm at the time was stronger.
my point was if funtion over form was what this bike was about then why not go to a strong light DSS.
but i will say that i in no way meant any offense to the builder or the fabricators. you all... everyone on this site are my heroes.
tearing apart my bike now, i see so many places to change, improve or eliminate but don't have your skills to do that. so..  [bow_down] to you all. RetroSBK, Stew, Monster... all of you that take your time to come and help us (those without the skills) learn something.

Wow!
I never thought this would stir up so much controversy.
I saw the bike on Ebay, and thought it would be of interest to other members.
Guess I was right. ;D

I like the bike, I think it looks good.

To everyone that doesn't like the builder or his work,


You can rip on him when you get your bikes published in magazines or build one for a celebrity.


I like retro's work. I also like others work on this board. To each their own on styling.

I like the bike a lot [thumbsup]

yeah but 1,300 miles? That ain't shizz...

the biggest problem with Tim Allens bike is the zip ties arent evenly spaced.. ;D

I also like this bike a lot and most but not all of his other bikes.   I generally appreciate anyone's custom bikes just because they are all different and took a lot more creativity and skill than I will ever have.

I'm actually a fan of the zip-ties along with stock blinkers and a few other things most people change.  To me a Monster should be just that- a Monster.  Something that looks mean, raw, and mechanical.  The zip ties remind me of Frankenstiens stitches. 

I like the wheels, a lot.

Guys, in all fairness to Tim, He has a lot on his plate, and a lot of bikes in his stable..

CBR1k, CBR600, couple of harleys, a Streetfighter being built, and about 30 of the coolest cars ever, including TWO Moal cars.

King, Im suprised you didnt like Tim, on set he has always been very nice to me... At the shop... well... ;)


As far as Gregg goes... His swing arms are here - http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=142&osCsid=6d83a6de8e448f14a66218594524db28 (http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=142&osCsid=6d83a6de8e448f14a66218594524db28)

the bikes -

http://www.gc-cycles.com/Hellion.html (http://www.gc-cycles.com/Hellion.html)

http://www.gc-cycles.com/GC1000.html (http://www.gc-cycles.com/GC1000.html)

He has also done about ten bikes for Suzuki...

Thanks for the support and props guys... We start building our newest Tribute Bike today, a Bubba Shobert Tribute for Cycle World.

Will

I don't know if Tim the Tool-man is a "Monster" fan or just likes bikes in general. After all, he is selling the bike. If I had a custom Monster built for me I would not be selling it. Somehow I doubt Timmy was out in them local canyons dragging knee, using the suspension the way it was meant to be used.

When looking at this bike we all see $$$$. We all see what we could have done with our own $$$ if it were our bike. Thus we all have our own unique opinions.  One last comment------why not a right side heal guard!!!!  [moto]

can you ask greg what headlight that is on the hellion and GC1000?  i like it. will need one eventually for my bike.

eh... modified Harley V-Rod light it looks like. nevermind. would hate if harley guys around here saw me sporting that...

Will, Thanks for all the great links, I'll check them out in a while when I'm in front of a screen wider than 4in.

As far as Tim goes, He just seemed generally pissed most of the time, kinda seemed like a bit of tension in the air all the time. We all handle stress differently. Martin Lawrence was always happy, like a kid at an amusement park.  I work a movie with Kris Kristopherson once...and only once. I would put him on my top ten biggest assholes on earth list.

As far as Tim's his riding goes, he rides very well. Just because people have a ton 'o $ doesn't mean they don't have multiple mad skills.

on the monster? probably 'cause you don't need one. that's what the carbon guard is for on the exhaust.

Hint: they look really cool on Monsters.  8)

That is correct!  There is a Robb Report writeup on that bike that goes through all the painstaking work and custom fabrication that he did ... Mind blowing, one of my favorite bikes.

If I can't find the article online i'll scan it in

Cheers,
Adam

The bucket on the GC and the Hellion are both hand hammered... Gregg is the MAN...  How unreal is the Hellion? Alren Ness saw it and spent 20 min crawling over it and checking it out. Huge compliment.

Tim rides, and works at ridign better, Superbike school, etc.. and the guy can DRIVE... IMSA and SCCA championships.

He is selling it because he is thinning the herd, and making room ;)

Ive heard the same about Kris.. total azzz... Travolta was super kewl, Bale was just a regular guy, and very, very nice too.. most of them know how lucky they are, and appreciate it. Tim isnt one to believe his own hype, ya know?

William -

Good to know, hopefully he's making room for something equally cool  [evil]

How unreal is the metal work on the Hellion?? I was looking at high res pics of it and ... yeow ... have some custom work on it.  (http://www.havenvideo.com/images/smilies/smiley-face-drool.gif)

Thanks for contributing here @ DMF, it's cool to have the conversation!  [beer]

Cheers,
Adam

Is there a reason for the brake being on the CS instead of the rear wheel?

Because he COULD...

plus it makes that wheel look so clean..

Not my style of bike, but I might just buy the Hellion just to look at it.. its that cool.

Will

I was just wondering if there was a functional reason for it's placement. It's definitely different looking...

Thanks for the links. Those bikes are bad ass...particularly the Hellion. Paint is a little crazy, but whatever...sweeet bikes!  [bow_down]

His swingarms look very nice as well.

Why the difference on the one he made for Tim's bike...i.e. the big plate? Was that requested? I would think his standard swingarm design would be stiff enough for an S4R, given that it's designed for Japanese liter bikes.  ???

I'm no expert, but hp and torque are very different forces on a chassis.

Thanks for stickin' in there with us Will. Tough crowd doesn't even to begin to describe this crew.


Someone finally used the T word on the forum.

Bravo ducpainter 

Hey Will. I just built a pretty unique bike. Wanna help me get it in a magazine? Keep in mind Im a crippled 20 year old and had a thousand dollar budget.

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A $1000 build?  I'm impressed [beer]

dont say sorry its you opinion. I agree with you on 90% of what you wrote. Monstermash is just trying to argue for the sake of arguing. I have ebeen on the TOB  for  alongtime and here for a while and wrote something one time and he sent me a PM like some kind of Bassa$$....he just wants to argue.

Perhaps you should invest money and effort into grammar and spelling lessons.

Boy you edited that just in time didn't you?    ;)   

Be careful.  These guys will be waiting for you to spell someting wrong.

I know I spell like crap...So don't waste your time.    [laugh]

I think it right to say that horse power isn't really a "thing" so much as it is an analog based on motion through time and distance.  Also, I think it right to say that horse power isn't really applied to the chassis, rather the force applied IS torque.

My grammar is up-to-snuff but my proofreading is not so good... ;).

 I stink at both  [laugh] 

Not trying to thread jack, but is there a thread here for Ducati dyno charts?

I would like to see what kind of torque people are putting out. I'm not a HP guy.

I just love me some grammar nazis.  Is anyone gonna point out to Wordsmith McTooTightPants that up to snuff shouldn't be hyphenated?   [laugh] 

Willl, if you're still following this thread and if you have any close-up pics of the swingarm on the Tim Allen bike, I'd like to see 'em. 

I warned ya' karrotx.   [popcorn]

I caught that also...texting has caused me to turn into a idiot!

I believe you meant hyphenated :p.

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Edit:
Looks like you suffer from the proofreading bug as well? ;)

 [clap]

I was going to comment on this, but I realize that I can in no way improve on it.

Hay Karrotx,
We should get together for dinner. ;D

Will, nice bike. [thumbsup] This is a tough crowd most are very passionate about  [moto] and each has his/hers own vision of the 'perfect' bike.

The one thing that would propably set most people off here is 'trailer queens', we've all seen em at shows, you wonder if they've even been started or have ever had oil in.

Give a bike with a few rock chips, bug guts, and the pipes have changed colors from getting hot.
                                                                sno_duc
             p.s. spend some time in " Accessories & Mods " I for one would value your input.

Pfft!  [roll]

The Christian Audiblahblah Monster is WAY better!





























 ;D

I saw this on a different board. With a little modding it could fit here.

Well, here's my take on Italian drivers.

Every driver in Italy, be they male or female, young or old, rich or poor; is absolutely convinced they they, too, could drive for Scuderia Ferrari in Formula 1 if only they could get a fair tryout. And they vent their frustration, demonstrating to all and sundry the raw deal they've gotten, every time they get behind the wheel. The more narrow the road, the steeper the grade, the more impossible the overtaking situation, the greater the urge to do something daring, and to do it con brio.

It's quite amazing that you don't come upon horrifying road accidents more often. When it does inevitably go wrong on the Autostrada, it goes REALLY wrong. And in typically Italian style, the cops simply shut down the whole road while they broom up the brains and eyeballs. The resulting miles of uninvolved traffic simply grinds to a halt and people turn off the motor and sleep, read, converse, stroll about and perhaps make their way to the nearest village for a refreshment if possible, knowing it's going to be somewhere between two and four hours before things get moving again.

Low-speed, non-injury crashes are another matter entirely, and clearly demonstrate the Italians' love of opera. Immediately following the crash, a crowd of eager spectators gathers. There's an opening aria by each involved driver and any passengers present, testing to see who appears to be the most aggrieved and can present their version of the crash the most dramatically.

Each driver's crowd approval rating is enhanced or diminished by various factors including their politics (as compared with the politics of the locality where the accident occurred), their appearance and their ability to hit and hold the really high notes. Bystanders enter the drama sporadically, taking one side or another, and then switching allegiances as the spirit moves them.

The eventual arrival of the local constabulary acts remarkably similarly to trying to snuff out a fire with a can of gasoline. After a big initial flare-up where everyone including people who just arrived, tries to tell their side of the story at once, the cops march someone off to the police station and the drowd gradually disperses, re-hashing the more entertaining moments from the drama just concluded.

Very Italian. Like I said, understand the culture and everything that happens on the roads makes complete sense.

First couple of lines modded


Well, here's my take on modders of Italian motorcycles .

Every wrench modding Itailan motocycles, be they male or female, young or old, rich or poor; is absolutely convinced they they, too, could design the next Ducati superbike, if only they could get a fair tryout. And they vent their frustration,next person take over and add a few lines

Some damn nice work here.  [thumbsup]

I could see this being written up in compare/contrast form: 5 bikes, 5 builders, $1000 budget in each case.

That would be an awesome contest!!!

does the $1000 include the bike?  ;D

ok so let's do it.

for you builders...

take a stock 696 and $1000 worth of  materials or parts.

total manhours has to be limited as well... you guys come up with an amount. and no fudging.

reasoning for the 696, there are plenty out there and cost is low.

judging could be on...
Technical changes... ie HP, torque, suspension, etc.
Aesthetic... ie shorttails, CF, paint, etc.
Originality... can't give you a definition, cause then it would be unoriginal.

Take 1 month and post your writeups and picks on a new discusion board. one thread per bike.
maybe some of our sponsors could offer up some choice bits for prizes.

We could work towards getting all the modded bikes (say limit of 5-6 builders) in MondoDucati magazine or Cycleworld... would be great press for the builders, forum and Ducati.

What say thee?

Nobody is going to chop up a 696 for a $1000 bike build. It is too new of a bike, and too expensive.

It'd have to be an older Monster, or an SV650, etc.

Where shall we take them from? Cuz I don't have one layin' around?   :-\

alright pick a bike you all agree on.

Wish this wouldn't have came through at the same time.

Is it a odd choice? maybe.  But it equalizes the playing field.  All we need to do is hijack a Duc truck.

Hell, I'd saw up my 1098s if the others would.  

Ducati's can't all look virtually the same forever. well I guess they could, but after a while looking at our bikes would be like taking a sleeping pill.

SV650   ???  

As far as bike we agree on?  Have you seen my turbo?   [laugh] I'll chop up anything.

Off to get new cut off wheels  [evil]

i personnally like the idea of a new monster so you guys can showcase the potential. having my own apart i see sooo many places for changes. even have an idea for a new billet/tubular rear subframe.

i'm sure 5 or 6 696 owners wouldn't mind giving up their bike for a month if they get to keep the finished product.

I love the concept, heres my issue....

So $1000. TEN hours of labor.. Hmmm

So if we discount labor totally, no problem

696 Duc, great starting point!

Take it apart, rework the suspension, forks and shock - $650 at Race Tech even.

Cut, grind, weld, and powdercoat the chassis - $350

Computrack the roller $250-500

Get my point? I wouldnt build a bike without having it measured before it was beat on. If it was strictly a cosmetic challenge, or only performance based, or... Hell, a set of pistons and rings with a gasket kit is $650! Makes it tought to do for $1k, and the Superhawk all the more impressive!

Will

Doubtful...but I could be wrong.

I sure as hell wouldn't give up my new 696 for some unknown mod. project.

no the labor would be like a say 100 man hour limit. no cost. 1000 in parts or materials. 30 day build.

the thought would be the 1000 in parts and materials keeps the investment low on the builders part and imagination high. like exhuasts, anyone can buy a termi system, but building a custom system from sheet metal or CF say for 200 in materials... that would be a challenge and at the same time unique. 

also, since we can't expect you to use a new off the showroom 696, donor (borrowed) bikes would be provided by forum members for the opportunity to have one-off special builds as compensation for a month without their bikes.

the whole thing gets documented, photographed and written up for a magazine or even TV show and everyone wins from the press.

with the guys on this forum... IF i had a working 696 and was near any of them... hell yeah i'd let them work on my bike

There was a 95' M900 sold on this site recently for that price that basically only needed assembly and a cylinder head stud replaced.  Be easy to win with that on a monster site lol.

considering my bike started out like this, yes 1000$ does include purchase price.

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And here is a little list of what I did to it.

1998 Honda VTR 1000 Superhawk

motor:

rebuild of top end
re hone
full port and polish
PAIR valve elimination, plugged Pair hole and flowed exhaust ports
removed Un Nessicary castings from both heads
Clearanced rear valve cover to fit Battery, modified crankcase breather
Hand made billitt aluminum Camshaft Chain Tensioners, red powdercoat

sanded block, removed extra castings
Cast coat iorn color engine enamel paint
New clutch friction plates
repaired and reinforced both stator and clutch cover
shortened, modified exhaust, 2 into 1, hand made muffler from c02 tank

Larger 5 row oil cooler, moved location, painted black
Oil cooler mount fabricated, drilled and tapped block for mounting

Carbs,

Jetted
breather removel
heater removal
1/6 turn throttle
1/8" alimunum baseplate for concept airbox
hand fabricated aluminum throttle cable mount

Ignition:

Twin Tech Hi performance Coils
Hand fabricated coil mounts
8mm plug wires

Cooling system,

Rear mount radiator
Dual fans, aluminum shroud
Aluminum 1" OD hardlines, dissipates more heat
welded mounts to radiator, capped and moved fittinngs
re mounted filler neck
modified water pump cover

Frame:

Sand Blasted, dents removed
removed front fairing mounting locations
drilled, welded, and tapped bungs for subframe forward mounts
hand built stainless fox shock resivour mount
Gsxr steering damper mount fabricated, welded to neck
Black bedliner

Subframe:
100% hand fabricated
3/4 inch OD 1/16 wall aluminum, gussited
alternative design, fit for single rear radiator
also locates and fits YTZ10 Battery
black bedliner
gunmetal color

Swingarm:

Sand blasted
Hand fabricated Bracing
Trellis design mimics main frame
3/4"OD 1/16" wall and 1" OD 1/8" wall aluminum tubing
black bedliner

Front forks:

Removed un nessicary castings-seams
Custom designed fork brace, 6061 T6 aluminum Billett
3 piece fabricated front fender, aluminum
black bedliner

wheels:

900rr front and rear

Brakes:

Front,

Honda RC51 reont Master cylinder, hand fabricated resivour reciever, Billet aluminum
Goodridge stainless steel braided lines, double banjo
Removed castings-seams from calipers, fully rebuilt
Red ceramic caliper paint, black accents
lightened front rotors
painted carriers gunmetal color
Small resivour
EBC HH Pads

Rear,
Honda RC 51 Master cylinder
hand fabricated Resivour adaptor
Goodridge line
Ducati twin piston Brembo Caliper, lighter and stronger
removed castings-seams, red ceramic paint, black accents
hand fabricated caliper adaptor plate, moves new caliper under swingarm
hand fabricated lever, ball bearing movement
small resivour, custom fabricated mount
Lightened rotor

Final Drive:

520 chain conversion, -1 +2

-1 JT front sprocket
+2 unknown rear sprocket, black powdercoat
520 x ring chain

Controls:

New Hayabusa Switches, throttle cables
Driven Meitor Cr low rise fatty bar, gunmetal color
100% hand fabricated rearsets, aluminum, adjustable 4"
hand fabricated GP shifter, aluminum, adjustable
hand fabricated brake lever mount

Lighting:

Hand built front headlight
Built from gsxr lower projector housing and clear cover, highly modified
Hand fabricated framework
Audi HID upper projector and ballast
Hand fabricated mounts and ballast mount

Tail light:

Upper LED tail-Brale light, flashing brake light
lower led running light

Fuel tank-Airbox HYBRID
Hand fabricated from 3003 grade alloy aluminum, 1/16 thickness, tig welded
Extensive use of english wheel
Fully baffeled, front to back, side to side

DESIGN CONCEPT, Teh tank doubles as the airbox. the bottom of the tank seals to a carb baseplate. This in turn moves the airbox higher and moves the heavy fuel lower, lowering the center of gravity.

K%N filter for Nissan Versa, modified
Carbon fiber intake scoop- rain guard

ducati vaccume fuel pump
billet aluminum filler cap, welded in

Seat:

4 layer carbon fiber, aluminum sheeting hybrid pan
Seat pan designed to channel air from top of radaitor,
heat shielding
memory foam
black gripper cover

Tail:

Hand fabricated carbon fiber louvers, to extract radiator heat
Aluminum mesh between louvers
1/16" aluminum sides and front, rivited to carbon center section
Aluminum mesh undertail to protect radiator from road debris


MISC:

Carbon fiber-aluminum battery tray-heat shield
Removed casting marks from triples
HIGHLY modified wiring harness, 1/2 stock weight
Moved all electronics up front behind steering neck
Modified Driven risers for further pull back
Brembo coffin style clutch MC
Black exhaust heat wrap
GSXR steering damper, Hand fabricated fork mount

COSTS

Steering damper, 15$

Bars, 100$

Brake parts, 125$

Aluminum sheet, 15$

Aluminum Tubing, 20$

Carbs, 50$

Carbon fiber resin, 50$

paint, 30$

Headlight, 10$ + 20$

tail light, 25$

fluids, 20$

fuel cap, 30$

misc, 200$

Total, UNder 1000$ including purchase

Finished weight, 348 lbs wet no gas. 376 full of gas

DRY 339 lbs

and finished

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Wow.
 [bow_down]

Im Just trying to prove a point you dont need lots of money to build one hell of a bike.

Well I can't touch what truckinduc did, but heres my "lunch money" bike.
I think it was a total cost to me after it was done of 1200.  :)
Then I put a Wiseco race kit in.   BOOM extra 1600.   :(

I've been brain storming with someone here about doing a bike, so the idea does sound fun for sure.
New thread maybe? Just don't want SOME PEOPLE to get upset.


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Well, the Tim Allen bike didn't make the reserve.















Is it a threadjack if the original topic disappeared 4 pages ago?

Maybe more Like a thread over taking.

I still think both are worthy of their own thread.

This one could be changed to Famous peoples bikes. Or, just cool bikes period. If someone says they don't like a certain bike, they have to show a pic of one they do like.  Just a thought.

I love that honda. I got a cm 400 the otherday just for the 3 piece wheels. Just like those youve got.

Thank you.   

I love those wheels also.  People always look at them and say "I thank ur wheels ur busted".

Thats how you know people...Bright or not, are lookin'   [thumbsup]

Id like to know more about the wastegate on that bike.

Archaic right?  It's at the shop tonight, but will get you some pics soon. 
It's menacing looking (and works like crap).   Let's just call it a period piece.

looks awesome, just wondering how its actuated.  I really wanna build a bike like that.

Can I come over?

Come on down !

I'll show the finer side of old,weak mechanical waste gates.

I would have to build something when Im there, and it would probably have to be blown

One blow up doll coming up. 


 [evil]

correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the S4R come stock with Showa forks?
I'm just sayin....
lol

tooo true... i forget that. BUT if i were to upgrade for untold amount of money... then italian all the way for the sake of national pride  [wine]

I can certainly understand that, though I myself prefer Swedish gold hehe (not that I could ever afford to build a bike with Ohlins forks lol)

 [bang] frick.. ok i'll shut up.

damn is nothing made in one country anymore.

Not only that, Öhlins were majority owned by Yamaha until late 2007, and Yamaha still own 5%.