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First it was the debacle with the Qld cops and the violent baby video and now this....really saddens me....boof heads...

Global Gutz 09 revised (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPNOEgqh6s&feature=player_embedded#ws-normal)

 

geee the cops up there have nothing else to do, they can come down here, we have plenty crims to catch

The make the beast with two backsing Nanny State!
What a total waste of make the beast with two backsing time, money and resources!
Between the corrupt Cops, The corrupt local and State politicians, I am seriously starting to hate living in this State!

Fuuuuuck!  [roll]

hey cairns come and live down here, we still have very nice weather

Scheese. No improvement since Rodney Rude was arrested for swearing on stage in the 80's.

As Rodney said, .... get pucked you crunts.


This from Wikipedia.......

He was arrested by Queensland police in the mid-1980s after offending officers during a show. He fought several long and expensive court cases defending his right to perform his show to adult audiences. His legal battle continued after police brought further obcenity charges in Western Australia where the case finally went to the full bench of the supreme court. Rodney won his court cases and all charges were quashed. After the Fitzgerald Inquiry against corruption (1987-89), set up to investigate police corruption in the state of Queensland, the police officer leading the case of obsenity against Rodney was jailed for corruption in an unrelated matter.

We don't have police in Victoria.....

They are now known as the Victorian Revinue Service, courtesy our current government......
Infringment notice books constantly updated, and always in supply.........
However the same cannot be said for laws and personal equipment.

That's my venting for today!

So that's why it's impossible to get a monster group ride together in Brisvegas.  If a group of pushbikes get that treatment what the hell would they do with a group of Ducs.   [bang]  Suppose I can cross Qld off my list of next possible homes.

this is a classic example of the stupidity that arises when power hungry cretins get a badge! these morons couldn't find their own arse with a funnel and we're supposed to respect their authority? if these wankers in blue had any idea how little the public at large thought of them they would resign and get a job at Mc Donalds.
oh wait.... they're not qualified to work there, just get free food, that's right.
it's footage like that that makes me embarrassed to say i'm a qld'er, QUEENSLAND, THE SMART STATE! crikey! [bang]

paul.

How pucking rediculous being not allowed to ride your bike because of a bell not being attached!
A freaking bell, they all had safety gear, lights helmets gloves etc.... But oh no you can't ride, No Bell!

Spoke to a guy at the track on Friday, he was looking at a really prudy 1198s saying that even tail tidys get
serious attention in QLD.
Why would you really want to live there with all of that going on.

there was an article in the paper this weekend about how respect for police has diminished, I believe that respect for almost everything in our society has diminished over the years....but some blame has to fall on certain members of the force for their behaviour with the public. All those officers achieved through that widely-distributed video was to create any anti-force sentimentality in a younger generation....and when the force needs them....they'll be so anti-cop they'll do whatever they have to to get back at em (not showing up for court, going to trials, being on the jury and voting against the state in the case, etc)

Ummm... beautiful weather, fishing, beaches, weather, Islands and the weather.
Just ignore, the crap roads, the parlous state of the health system and a fascist police force, and it's not too bad.

 By the way, one or two bicyclists less on the roads isn't such a bad thing....

Hmmmm, the Qld plods always had supect motives and application of Legislation! [roll]

After all they were/are the best Police force money can/could buy.  ;) [evil] [cheeky] [leo]

Unless there is a newspaper article that states the specifics shown on this clip, i think you guys jumped the gun a little.

The riders all look dodgey to me.

*Who decides to cycle at night?
*Who forms a decent sized group to go cycling at night?
*They are not harcore riders - casual clothes, bikes are crap so why are they out?
*Was there reported instances on this group already?
*Cops were pinging them for numerous things. You heard a couple of them were getting done for no bells.... ok ....so what are the others getting done for then?

10 cops don't just rock up to harrass cyclists for not having bells. 10 cops turn up because riders have outstanding warrants, drug arrests, backup required etc. They would have had good reason to have 10 Police present as the extra officers would have been called in from the initial officers.

I could be wrong but that is what i picked up from watching that clip.

The p-oh-lice, at the behest of our(Im a Queenslander) beloved Captain Bligh(bringer of stricter LAM's and Fark-off-stupid bikie laws, all hail) are simply cracking down on minorities, as both politicians(from the latin words poly, meaning many, and ticks: a blood sucking parasite) and police seem to love to do in the sunshine state.

Case in point: my mate got done for 36km over: $466, 6 points. Me riding my duc alone(not dangerously, or even fast) $306 1 point. My other mate: Driving whilst on mobile phone: "Dont do it again". Case closed.

Welcome to Queensland, the weathers fine.... But the traffic, the pollies and some of the police force is just plain farked mate.

Ill see you all on the twisties!

I hear what you are saying SG, and the thought did cross my mind that all we might be getting is one side of the story!! (The current affairs shows are always editing their filming to portray to the public what THEY the program, want to get across, regardless of the facts! [roll] )

But, I think as stated at the beginning of the Vid, this is/was part of a global bike ride with all people riding at the same time all over the world!! (Heinous crime that??  :o )
And I didnt see any of the cyclists with axes strapped across their backs, or sticks of gelignite strapped to their waists?? ???

It does appear to be overkill on the part of the Plods.Cheeezus, if that many Cops turned up at once to a scene here in Vic(nanny state)toria they would have had to close 3/4 of the metro Cop Shops.  [roll]  [cheeky]

irrespective of what may or may not have been edited out, there's no way 10 coppers are needed to inspect pusbikes for roadworthiness. even if some or all of the cyclists were carrying drugs  [roll] or had outstanding warrants what probable cause would plod have had to identify them and search them? does not having a bell mean you can be searched? [leo] Yep, the first coppers may have called for back up, probably got sick of sarcastic barbs about how rediculous their enforcement was, at least with ten of them they could cry on each others shoulders, the poor kittens.
i guess the cyclists should count their blessings, none of them got tazered. this time [bang] [bang] [bang]

paul.

relax, it's a cycling sub-culture - they ride fixed gear bikes (no freewheel) and wear normal clothes so they don't look like lycra idiots (me!) they are closer to motorcyclists than you realise....the reason why they ride at that time is there is less traffic (and it's part of an organised event that occurs simultaneously throughout the world) and they enjoy chatting and modifying the bikes as much as riding them...

would you respond to a bike bell?

better to not have one and use your voice and brain than a high pitch ding which really can't do anything!

the whole fixed gear thing is a very cool genre of riding - it's not normal - but that's what makes it so interesting, it takes incredible skill too.

Actually, I find banging on the side of the car that is trying to run you off the road works quite well.  Just need to make sure you can still steer.

 :o >:( [bang] :(

thats the biggest load of bullsht assumptions I have seen in a while. just amazing.

 tell us what you really mean kursed! oh and you spelt bullshit wrong, it's BULLSHIT! [thumbsup]


paul.

Ooooh eeerrr!! I feel some incoming on the way??  [evil] [roll] ;D [thumbsup] [cheeky] [clap]

Heeeheehehee.  [evil] [evil] [evil]

I have to agree Kursed.

When I cycle couriered in London, most of the best riders had the crappiest bikes.
That aside, this gathering looked like the Courier Races run all around the world.

As Spider said riding at night means there is less traffic and less risk of getting cleaned up by Nann on the way to the library.
I do like riding at night on my Monster so my pushie is no different.

I've met a couple of those guys, and they are just your average early 20s lads.  Enjoy a beer and a laugh with mates.  It's fair to say that there was likely to be some pretty awesome and radical riding that night, and that there would have been some funny stories by the end of the race.

There wouldn't have been assaults, graffiti, arson, murder, theft, or anything else to justify that kind of police presence...

ok guys i know im reminiscing about the way life use to be, but see no cops in sight here, aaahhh the good old days

YOUTH GROUP: Forever Young (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQi8wEHMm5Y#normal)


as yes this is a fav of mine

Yes how did we ever survive such uncouth times (and with all that hair!)   [laugh]

Thanks Jukie   [wine]

sometime i which we could just turn back time. and yes the hair [laugh]

It was just some of my thoughts, i don't know why it warranted such a harsh response  ??? ???

It's called not taking things on face value and asking questions. Obviously you have never experienced that yourself....

Did you happen to switch your head with your ass or are you always this stupid and rude?

BTW before you open your mouth and blast me with your putrid flem, i have several cops, prison, defense personal in the family. So yeah, i tend to not take things on face value unless i personally trust the source or was there myself to witness.

"They are not harcore riders - casual clothes, bikes are crap"
ASSUMPTION

"10 cops don't just rock up to harrass cyclists for not having bells. "
ASSUMPTION

"10 cops turn up because riders have outstanding warrants"
ASSUMPTION

"drug arrests"
ASSUMPTION

"backup required"
ASSUMPTION

case and point.

Sorry if I got your heckles up, but your post was still full of assumptions, and I think mostly, bullshit. :) I ride pushies and motos a lot, and just about all the stuff you said I find contrary to everything I have experienced in riding culture.

Ahhh but my friend it is a massive assumption to watch the video and accept you have the entire story and what it shows is the entire truth.

My assumptions are:

1) Why 10 Police would show up (a reasonable assumption).
2) It looks dodgy to me. This assumption i made because the full story was not shown and also point 1 (a reasonable assumption).

The other points i made are questioning the validity of what we saw in the video. I'm just throwing things out there for people to consider before making a decision. A little Devils Advocate is required before i could make a call either way.

The organiser could have prevented this from happening if they notified the local Police to advise them a large group ride at night was going to be held (or did i miss them mention that?). It shouldn't be required however most causes/charity events do it to prevent this exact scenario from happening.

All it takes is 1 Resident who sees a large group of people gathering and freaks out. They call the Police who know of nothing going on at that location so they respond. It's a downward spiral from there. Residents will make up complete lies if it means getting Police there ASAP. 

FWIW i have done my fair share of cycling and racing (velodrome) over the years so i am not against cyclists  ;)

we don't like it when people make assumptions about us as motorcycle riders....so we shouldn't do it to others.

A lot of what SG describes as suspicious activities, well.....they aren't illegal....so why should they bring the police?

forming a group wasn't illegal in this country (Iraq, Germany is 1930/40s perhaps) last time I checked and neither was riding at night.

Single speeders (some would be couriers - that's where the bike became popular - and your velodrome too SG!!!) are some seriously smooth cyclists.

if it was in response to a call, the 1st officers would have cancelled...not let another 16 arrive.

We all base our life on assumtions, it is natural instinct for survival and safety. Your assumptions are going to be more often correct than incorrect. If they weren't, you'd be dead.

If for example, i had a large group of people gathering at my street (and large groups make a LOT of noise unless they are monks), i would call the Police. I don't give a sht if the group is tree hugging hippies, the fact for me is in the past groups have left smashed beers bottles all over the road, the wife's Audi was keyed ALL the way around, vandalism to properies etc. I would want the cops tell them to move on.  If you guys don't mind large gatherings of strangers on the street, more power to ya  :)

BTW you do realise loitering is an offence yeah?

Your last point touches back onto the points i have made. The officers first on the scene i 'assume' called for backup which is why the other officers responded. Don't forget there is Occupational health and safety to adhear to on behalf of the Police. 2 Police vs large group is not safe. It only takes 1 idiot to insight a riot and you might have 20+ vs 2. It can take 4-5 officers to bring down an adrenaline filled psycho.

It is often Police tactic to use 2-3 officers to inspect trucks/cars on the roads despite there being only 1 driver. This is both safety and tactics. I don't see the issue with 10 cops turning up to a large gathering. Or are you suggesting (which it sounds like you are) that because the group is on bicycles it means they are less dangerous?

I think the Police deserve the benefit of the doubt.

However in saying all the above, if the 'entire truth' was each person was polite, squeaky clean and they still got fined and their tyres let down i entirely agree it is uncalled for. But hey, it's frigging Youtube, since when did that become Gospel LOL.

It's ironic i am singled out for making 'assumptions' yet you lot all 'assumed' from the second you watched the clip that it was Police abuse. I haven't made a decision 100% either way, it's just food for thought hopefully making those that were quick to judge on face value, that it's not always that simple.

Anyhoo i think i have more than made my case on this and there isn't anything really left to add so i'll leave the rest of you to make up your own minds.

THAT'S SOME FUNNY SHIT RIGHT THERE!
are you make the beast with two backsing serious?  [bang]you sure there's no drug warrants out against you? cause whatever you're on, i want some........yeah?
do you actually live in qld? cause the coppers will use pepper spray for giving them cheek, and if you disobey a direct instruction out come the tazers. oh yeah, that's right 4 or 5 with pepper spray and tazers. fascist bastards!
loitering may be an offense but can you seriously suggest it takes 10 cops to book people for loitering?
your naive outlook is refreshing, misguided and lacking in common sense, but refreshing, there's too many cynics here in qld........i wonder why? [roll]


paul. [thumbsup]

If I was manning the phones at a police call centre, and a Ducati-owning bloke rang up simply to report a gathering of people in their street, I have to say that I'd be making assumptions that the caller was a "skinny-decaf latte sipping, parked in pole position at the front of the trendiest cafe while wearing the latest Ducati merchandise" type of Ducati owner. 

If we base our life on assumptions, that'd be my first.

HEY!!!!

I resemble that remark!

(only kidding)  ;D