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Howdy.

I thought I start an new one here since we all jumped ship from TOB.

This weekend is the Monoco GP. Should be fun, it always is even when it isnt.

FYI for Sirius subscribers.

http://www.sirius.com/f1

Post on up. I'll add SPOILER after I watch the Qualifing on Saturday moring.

That race was amazing. So much of what makes Monaco and F1 great. I was on the edge of my seat.

Now time for Indy  [thumbsup]

i love F1 and Monaco makes indy look like a kiddie park... [laugh]

Its too bad Sutil was retired by Raikonnen.

but kimi was genuinely apologetic:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67750

But does that get that lost TV money back?

Great race and for once lots of excitement. Hamilton dodged a bullet with that wall tap.

of course it doesn't. in fact, i think that kimi acknowledging the tv money was the most sincere part of his statement. it shows that he knows it not only affected sutil, but his entire team.

Too bad my DVR stopped just before the finish >:(

The cars without TC are much more entertaining to watch. Driver matters a little more now!

Now we just need to give 'em a transmission they have to shift and a damn clutch pedal!!!

You should always pad your f1 season pass by 30 minutes. That way you get the whole race and interviews  even if it hits the 2 hour limit.

NOW you tell me [cheeky]

Just got lazy ( and paid the price)

Mine did too, but I waa watching the DVR at about the same time on Sunday as Speed was doing the rebroadcast. I managed to catch the bits I missed. Pure luck.

I know it's a little late to chime in RE Monaco but.....

Kubica is slowly becoming my favorite driver. Hammy got lucky at Monaco. If his suspension hadn't held up on that contact with the wall  [bang] then - Kubica would have WON Monaco. in the rain. in a BMW.

Can't wait for Montreal.  [drink]

I'll bet Kubica can  [roll] Actually, I'm sure he's over his little "off-course adventure" from last year.

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He's said that he's looking forward to Montreal but I guess we'll see. I was sitting on that hairpin when he binned it last year. It was a pretty big spill. His car was actually on fire after.  [evil]

Kubica and BMW/sauber deserve a victory
they have come a long way , and how boring would it be with no third powerTeam
Mclaren or ferrari gonna have to be carefull 

looks like they're making changes to the kubica wall:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67966

"Furthermore, improved debris fencing has been added in a bid to ensure that should a car get launched into the air like Kubica's last year , then it will not endanger cars heading out of the hairpin on the other side of the wall."

That was my first thought. The wall is quite low - waist high.

I think "quick Nick" should be worried about "rapid Robert"

If he wasn't German he might already be driving a Force India car ;)

Hmmmm. A little retro paypack. A Pole gaining the upper hand in a German team...  [laugh]

Here at Casa Krawczyk, were rooting for the homeboy!

love watchin that polock fly!

anyone else going to the Canadian GP this weekend. 
my seats are right on turn 1!! 

Ha Ha. I LOVED that race!   [beer]


Talk about redemption.   [thumbsup]

hamilton and rosberg penalized 10 grid spots for the pit out incident:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68140

That should make Kimi feel better. He probably would have won that race. Still I'm thrilled for Robert (and for BMW)

he doesn't have a lot of room to talk after ass-packing sutil last week. he's more irked that it happened in pit lane than anything else.

Kimi would probably have won? Were there 2 F1's on this weekend? because the one I was watching had Hammy pulling the field by 3/4's of a second per lap on the worst tires (super soft) ntil his *ahem* little incident.

The best man won. I was so happy, i thought i was gonna cry. Now that he's gotten the 1st out of the way, the 2nd one should come easier.

Man o man, Heidfeld looked fit to be tied on the podium. Probably the face of a guy whos gonna take a lot of shit for not being the German driver who was supposed to deliver BMW their first win.

Coulthard looked to be the happiest guy in the world for 3rd place. Good on him. I love that guy. Square heed and all.

Kimi got hisself a little karmic retribution for Monoco. Not that it mattered to Force India since Sutil DNF'd again.

Poor Hammy. The sophomore jinx is really bitting him hard. His dad looked to ready to giving out ass whoopings. 

psshh! Kimi was just resting the first 5 laps. He had a late night. Not sure if you noticed but by the 7th lap Kimi had pulled the best lap of the race (even better that hammy). And IIRC there were 2 drivers in front of sir hamilton just before he pulled his kamikaze run into the Ferrari.

So lets just say hamilton did remember that red means stop. Kubica would have held up lewis for a bit allowing Kimi to pull away. There was a very good chance Kimi would have won.  But of course that's just speculation  ;D

edit: apparently Kimi's left front was graining at the beginning but started to improve before the safety.

so i was right at turn one, but couldn't see the pits from my seats.  fantastic race.  I'm very happy to see Kubica and BMW get a win, and a 1-2 at that!  well deserved.

never knew there were that many polish racing fans in Canada!  they are rowdy!

i'll post up some pics or a link once i get them hosted somewhere.

track conditions were atrocious prior to the race.  during the Ferrari Challenge support race it sounded like the cars were driving on gravel.  lots of track bits getting flung up into their wheel wells.  they brought out this nasty smelling sealer and fixed up the racing line prior to the main event, at turn one at least.

Kimi and Ferrari need to take advantage of Hamilton's penalty in France...

So does Kubica, seeing as he is the Championship leader now.

I asked my father the same thing about all the polocks in Montreal. He wasnt aware of a large Polish community either. BUT, I do know that there are large Polish communities in Buffalo and Chicago. So maybe they came up or the race.

FWIW, I got to listen to part of the race live on Sirius 125 on the way from my house to my fathers house where I caught the last 20 on Fox. The announcers didnt do a half bad job. Both were UK based fellows, so maybe Sirus simulcasts the Eurosport feed or something. We left after the race to go to dinner and they continued on with the Post Race interviews on Sirius long after Fox went to something else at 3pm.

I think it's funny that a Polish driver is helping a German team win.  [laugh]

Nick Heidfeld doest share your sense of humor.

lol  [laugh] you owe me a new keyboard

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http://home.comcast.net/~nicholas.podolak/CGP2k8/DSCI0285.MOV (http://home.comcast.net/~nicholas.podolak/CGP2k8/DSCI0285.MOV)

here's a shot and a vid that give you the vantage point i had at turn 1.  i know that the movie is a little loud, but it WAS a little loud...

It's amazing how much noise those little cars make  :o

Not gonna lie I'm a little jealous. We made it out there last year. We were sitting at the hairpin though. I have a small peice of Kubica's car hanging on my wall.

I think last weekend's race would have been better though.  [thumbsup]

anyone seen the race today?
talk about a crazy finish

...completely negated by the FIA imposing an after-the-race drive-through penalty on hamilton for his initial cutting of the chicane. since lewis couldn't take his penalty, they docked him 25 seconds, demoting him to 3rd place and reducing his lead in the championship to 2 points.

mclaren is appealing the penalty.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70401

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70402

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70416

Well that's just dandy... Another race organization changing the results by their seemingly arbitrary penalties.
There is no way in hell FIM is going to allow McLaren to win this year by god!

Awesome!

Then I logged on this morning and read the news.

Assholes.

WTF?!?! On what grounds?  He (arguably) had position and was booted, and STILL did the safe thing and made sure to let Kimi take the positon back.  Kimi binned it anyway, so Hamilton is penalized for an unfair advantage against a pilot who DNF'd? ???

I just watched the end of the race and saw the drama.

I ask you...why do I keep watching if the whole thing is rigged?

Getting ready to watch the Japan race.

Hamilton on pole.   [thumbsup]



edit: then he blew it in the first lap.   [bang]

Despite the "help"  [roll] from the FIA

Will Lewis choke on it again :o

Looks promising ???

More make the beast with two backsing retarded decisions from the stewards contrary to the advice of the FIM. Now that's annoying. Where the hell was Bordais meant to go?

As for Hamilton... *sigh*

while the turn one incident may have been a little aggressive, it's called racing for a reason... AND he didn't hit anybody.

What I find shocking is that ALL OF A SUDDEN the Stewards/FIA seem to be making stoopid decisions that have no link to reality




This eye rolling smiley doesn't begin to express the depth of my sarcasm

I'm sorry, but when I see BOTH Mclarens going WAYYY wide and forcing half the field, including their rivals, off I start thinking that was the strategy all along.

I can just see Ron and the boys planning something like that.



It is unfortunate that there are so many stewards decisions. It is also unnerving that the penalties are not consistent, but Lewis, by now, knows that he's under a microscope. He needs to be careful, drive a clean race, and finish one place behind Massa. Once he realizes that, calms down, and drives strategically, he'll be OK. If he continues to try and prove he's the next coming of Senna, he's going to continue losing titles in the last few races.

hamilton's only real rival in that race was massa and he had qualified 5th on the grid. all that overly-aggressive turn 1 move did was put lewis back in front of massa (who promptly t-boned him in the chicane).

But, all he had to do was stay on Massa's ass the whole time. You know Senna, Prost, Mansell etc would have just sat there, pushing Massa until he made a mistake. But Lewis pushed it and got hit. If you're racing for a championship, you do not put yourself in that position unless you have to.

You must be forgetting about Senna and Prost "running into each other" just about every year in Japan

I think they should keep the current setup but allow Charlie Whiting to override the ruling on appeal. The Bordais penalty was absolutely ridiculous!

Single engine supplier on the cards in F1

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/170604-0/fia_paves_way_for_single_f1_engine_supply.html (http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/170604-0/fia_paves_way_for_single_f1_engine_supply.html)

G . H . E . Y

ghey

 next is templates >:(

and changing all the road courses to ovals.

and celebrating the lowest common denominator as special

i have a feeling that if that happens, we will see a new Formula XXXX coming up,don't think the constructor would like it.
heck look at the indy series it blows and honda provides the motor.
way to ruin the Sport of F1

heh, in this case the frogs (Renault) will officially supply the motors until Germany threatens them with invasion and suddenly BMW will be the supplier.

...Oh and all British drivers and teams will start with -100 points and won't be allowed a higher grid placement than 5th with mandatory drive through penalty on the 20th lap.

Bye, bye Fomula 1. [roll]

There's no need to penalize English drivers, most of them look after that themselves. [laugh]

Welcome to the Car of Tommorrow!

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They should just skip all that jazz and do like NASCAR does and put the safety car out everytime a cigarette pack or beer cup blows on to the track from the stands.

It's ok bud, I know we've dominated world motor racing for most of the last 60 years.  [beer]

I understand your petty jealousy. ;D

I guess you mean constructors? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Drivers'_Champions
Or there was a English person on the team? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_winners
Or there were English races? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Championship#Drivers.27_championship
Or that one Fogarty guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Superbike_World_champions
I'll admit that Barry Sheene can't be denied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Prix_motorcycle_racing_World_champions
I guess you won some of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ashes_series

Dominated?  ???

I'm Australian mate. ;D

I meant British btw.

Australian huh? Well I'll begrudge you a couple of decent bike riders, but F1 is all ours (except for that one German guy that no one liked) ;D

I'm not even going to mention rugby and cricket [roll]

Funny how you're inclusive of Ireland & Scotland when it suits... :P :D [laugh]

Australia isn't known for F1 that's for sure, Webber is so anvil prone it's not even funny. [laugh]

Well I just went back and checked and I actually wrote "British" to start with, so as it turns out you made it an English thing. I rest on my original assertion. ;)

And I mine, I said English. :P

Even if you count all "British" drivers/teams, it's still not what I'd call domination but I'm willing to accept that the clouds and rain in old Blighty lend themselves to a somewhat divergent opinion of these things. ;) :P

Seriously, I'm just kidding. :)

Mosley should keep his nazi loving ass out of the things that make/made F1 great

I love you man :'(, seriously though I missed being Australian by about 3 years, my Mum was raised in Dandenong, then moved back to the UK met my old man and the rest is history. [beer]

Don't be politically correct about it. GAY is how that is spelled. As I have been warning for years now, F1 is fast becoming Spec1 and that is GAY. I haven't watched a single race this year and now have no reason to restart.

I'll have some of what Max and Bernie are smoking, please.  [roll]

On second thought, no, that's a very bad plan.

Someone has to be English, sorry. [beer] ;D

Actually, while I do agree with your overall statement - I'm losing interest too - we've had a couple of very good races, like as good or better than any in the last several years.

If only it were about the sport and not the money.

Team orders. [roll]  How about you assholes just race.  [popcorn]

At least he didn't have to give up his car like Fangio's team mate  [laugh]

Kimi knows the championship is more important. If it weren't the penultimate round I might be up in arms, but now that it's come down to the wire I got no problem with swapping positions.

I don't have a problem with team orders at all, it's *was* a team sport i.e. the team is the priority. Rubens make the beast with two backsed that up for us.

How about this for a make the beast with two backsing bad joke: http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/170780-0/fia_reveals_2009_f1_proposals.html

Team & driver response: http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/170797-0/single_engine_rules_would_'no_longer_be_f1'.html

Talk about losing interest, what the phantom menace are they thinking?

I have a hard time believing they seriously think this is a legitimate proposal. They have to realize it'd lead to everyone EXCEPT the millionaire customer teams going away.

I may be watching a lot more ALMS racing next year.

Much better racing than F1.  [thumbsup]

news from ferrari on "standard engines"
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/f1/news/story?id=3667116&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/f1/news/story?id=3667116&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

Cool! Didn't know this was here. HOLY SHIT what a start! Hope someone's watching!

[size=5OH MY make the beast with two backsING GOD!!0pt][/size]  I'm still shaking after the finish!   WOW!!

OMG!!! That was an intense finish. I thought Massa hadpulled it off, but Glock just couldn't maintain the pace on the slicks.

Good job Lewis. Congrats to Massa on the win, Hamilton on the Championship, and Ferrari on the constructors.

Good job to Alonso as well for the podium.

Me too!! This has been a fantastic season. So many winners. So many first time winners. Such a tight points race and it al comes down to the last corner. Amazing.

who says f1 isn't exciting!   ;D

This was the only race I watched all year, but thank god I did.  That finish was amazing and my heart was racing back and forth since I really wanted Hamilton to win it.  I woulda been so bummed (and I thought I was gonna be) if he lost this year again by 1 point.

I do feel bad for the Ferrari guys though, they were celebrating like they had won and then someone told them they didn't and they were just crushed...

As much as I wanted Ferrari and Massa to take it, I have to say Lewis deserves to be champion. He's a massive talent and drove really well most of the year.

Now comes the dull time when there's no F1, no MotoGP, no WSBK, and no ALMS.  :( Looks like I may have time to get some reading done.

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If Massa did win I was expecting an epic celebration like Monza a few years back when Ferrari swept the race. BTW what was up with Kubica? He started in the pits, was supposed to have car problems. Towards the end of the race he started turning up the heat and got 11th. Great move for Glock to stay out! Besides all the excitement it caused he ended up nabbing points.



There's always A1GP!  http://www.a1gp.com/ (http://www.a1gp.com/)

I'd live with that if it wasn't that they were showing it months behind schedule on Speed. I think Holland is airing in December.

wow.  great race.  epic last lap.  great season.

I wanted them both to win.  I know, it doesn't make sense.

However, one thing I want to say about Hamilton ...  He really needs to learn to clinch a championship!!!  How the hell was he running in 6th?  He was too aggressive last season and too conservative this season.  He shouldn't have left it to the last race, but assuming that was unavoidable (and it really wasn't) I can't believe he wasn't closer to the front.  Timo Glock's bad luck won Hamilton his first championship.

Vettel ... um, this kid is hot!  I hope switching to the prime red bull team doesn't throw him off.  He'd look good at BMW.

Alonso ... still not crazy about his personality but damn he is good.  I just wish he'd commit entirely to renault and bring the fight to mclaren and ferrari.

Kovalainen ... anyone notice signs of discontent here?  maybe kovalainen is just coming to terms with his unspoken second driver status.

not really... if glock had pitted for intermediates with everybody else, he would've been behind hammy anyway. it was a gamble by his team that lost him 17 seconds on the finaly lap.

bad luck or gamble my arse. that made Glock lose 17  seconds on the last lap.

It was the shiney new mercedes ;o)

I'm not buying into the whole "Glock gifted the position" conspiracy. Those last 2-3 corners are very fast, uphill, and slightly off camber, which would make them a pregnant dog in the wet when you're on slicks.

I didn't say Glock gifted the win to Hamilton. 

I'm just saying it was damn silly of Hamilton to be in 6th going into the final corner.  He shouldn't have been racing for 5th.  IMHO

Not me. That's the best race Iv'e seen in a long time.  [thumbsup]


Supercross starts up in January.  [thumbsup]

1st tests with the '09 wings and tyres. Cars looks a little weird, but the '09's should be more integrated and look better

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/testing/2008/331.html (http://www.formula1.com/gallery/testing/2008/331.html)